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	Dear CCL Members,

	We are currently considering buying a cluster of machines
for || MPI work, as well as a four gig box using the ungodly expensive AMI
Megaplex mother board. My question in particular is how are people's
experiences using the AMI motherboard w/ both solaris and/or linux (w/ the
current set of patches) at 4 gigs. Are there are any obvious 
incompatibilities that we should be concerned with. (I've been assured
that there are stable bigmem patches floating around somewhere).

	Also, in a fit of madness we are somewhat hesitantly considering
getting dual celeron (500mhz) boxes rather than dual PIII's (The celerons
would be sitting on the same mb and would have 100 mhz ram etc
(allegedly). The tradeoff would be only perhaps then the 128k full speed
cache v 512k 1/2 speed cache and the specfp ratings of the celeron v
pIII doesn't look so bad. Needless to say, most people don't build
clusters w/ celeron boxes but the pricing ($1100 v $1400 w/ 256 megs)
seems good enough to at least consider before chalking it off as a bit of
delirium caused by too much alcohol. In any case, any bits of wisdom,
advice and such would be very much appreciated.

	-Thanks much,
	Dr. Avi Ghosh



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I'd like to do some optimisation with relativistic potentials on hexaaqua
complexes of rhodium (III) and iridium (III) with Gaussian 98. I have found
some good potentials at the Stuttgart University, but I'd like to find some
good publications or receive some advices from people that has good
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Hi folks,

I am running 2-3 DFT jobs on systems ranging from 25-35 heavy atoms
using a route section like this
#T B3LYP/6-31G** Opt Test Pop=Reg.

I have MAXDISK set to 15GB on my SGI Octane (1.8GB RAM).  I think that
my jobs are taking longer than they should .. And they are not using up
the memory as efficiently as I'd like.

I guess what I am looking for is the kind of insight missing in the G98
manual.

Thanks

Deepak

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From: Camm Maguire <camm@enhanced.com>

Emil Briggs <briggs@tick.physics.ncsu.edu> writes:

> 3. For the Level 3 BLAS the ATLAS package is a good solution under
>    Linux. R. Clint Whaley and Antoine Petitet have released version
>    3.0BETA of ATLAS which also has some support for generating
>    optimized Level 1 and Level 2 BLAS libs. (You can grab it 
>    at http://www.netlib.org/atlas/)
> 

Thanks for the tip about 3.0 beta.  It looks good!  It is my intention
to ship this version with the upcoming Debian release. 


>    The license seems fairly liberal even though it's not GPL. I havn't
>    benchmarked the new release yet but from looking at the source 
>    I suspect that the Level1 and Level2 performance is not particularly 
>    good yet. The problem is that ATLAS uses GCC which does not take 
>    advantage of the new prefetch instructions supported by the PIII 
>    and the Athlon.  For the Level1 and Level2 BLAS libs the use of 
>    these instructions is very important in order to hide main-memory latency.
> 

Preliminary results on our PII 350 machines indicate a speedup (over
the reference blas) of 2.5-4x on the level2 routines.  While this is
significantly below the level3 performance, it is, IMHO, still quite
good, and handily outperforms my own hand-tuned gcc level2 code (which
also outperformed the netlib reference implementation).  In fact,
using this lib shaves a nice 30% off the running time of our
production code when executed on a single machine.  (Of course, to see
significant benefits on a cluster, the array sizes have to be quite
large when using level2, larger than we use in production currently.)

What's even better is the mechanism they've provided for supplying
your own level2 primatives, in case you know quite a bit about your
hardware, to time against all the others and incorporate into the
library if they prove faster.  In principle, you could quite simply
supply an assemly routine using 'prefetch', and insert it into ATLAS.
So my question is: do PII CPU's understand the 'prefetch' instruction?
What type of performance gains do you expect when employing this
instruction?  Any suggestions as to other non-gcc invoked assembler
calls which could make a big difference?


> The stuff I wrote was assembly language versions of the Level1 BLAS
> for the Athlon which use the new prefetch instructions. They're GPL
> and could probably be adapted for the PIII fairly easily. (I don't
> have a PIII so I havn't done this). You can get these at
> 
>   http://nemo.physics.ncsu.edu/~briggs/blas_src_v0.11_tar.gz
> 
> Presumably at some point in the future GCC will be able to generate
> better code that uses the new instructions and the assembly language 
> won't be necessary but for now thats not the case.
> 

Thanks for these examples!  Can they be adapted to the PII as well?


> For recommendations I would say that ATLAS is a great choice for the
> Level3 stuff. If you've got an Athlon then my libs are OK
> for the Level1. No recommendations for Level2 (Our codes don't
> require much Level2 stuff so it hasn't been a high priority for me).
> 
> 
> Regards
> Emil
>  
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I would shy away from quad processor boxes due to the limited memory
bandwidth in current SMP intel systems.  Any use of this type of system
that requires memory bandwidth will pay a high penalty.  If your specific
needs do not, then by all means go for it.  A PIII 600 sees around 400MB/s
average memory bandwidth with PC-100 memory based on the "streams" tests.
Now if you have  a quad processor you get 1/4 of 400 per proc which is
pathetic.

Celerons do an ok job, but our testings have shown that in caculations
like Gaussian the cache does kill the performance in comparison to
PII/PIII systems.  Note, I've not tested with the new coppermine PIII
processors that have 256K of full speed cache.  Pluss if you use current
compilers, probably comercial, you can see some speed benifit of the new
SSE instruction set of the PIII that isn't to be hand in the current
celeron processor.

To step away from that whole idea I'd propose the AMD K7/Athlon processor.
Whe have found in our tests it to performe 20-80% faster then the same Mhz
Intel processor.  That said you can now dedicate a single memory bus to
each processor and in many cases get near dual intel processor performance
with a single processor.

You might want to check with your hardware vendor of choice to see if you
can "Demo" hardware that you might like to buy before buying it to test it
accourding to your needs.  It was in doing just thist that I did my first
tests on the Athlon processor.  Since then we have been quite exclusive in
buying Athlons due to there performance and stability. 

--
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On Wed, 5 Jan 2000 eugene.leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de wrote:

> 
> Please reply directly to the original author:
> 
> From: Avijit Ghosh <avijit@CS.Cornell.EDU>
> 
> 	Dear CCL Members,
> 
> 	We are currently considering buying a cluster of machines
> for || MPI work, as well as a four gig box using the ungodly expensive AMI
> Megaplex mother board. My question in particular is how are people's
> experiences using the AMI motherboard w/ both solaris and/or linux (w/ the
> current set of patches) at 4 gigs. Are there are any obvious 
> incompatibilities that we should be concerned with. (I've been assured
> that there are stable bigmem patches floating around somewhere).
> 
> 	Also, in a fit of madness we are somewhat hesitantly considering
> getting dual celeron (500mhz) boxes rather than dual PIII's (The celerons
> would be sitting on the same mb and would have 100 mhz ram etc
> (allegedly). The tradeoff would be only perhaps then the 128k full speed
> cache v 512k 1/2 speed cache and the specfp ratings of the celeron v
> pIII doesn't look so bad. Needless to say, most people don't build
> clusters w/ celeron boxes but the pricing ($1100 v $1400 w/ 256 megs)
> seems good enough to at least consider before chalking it off as a bit of
> delirium caused by too much alcohol. In any case, any bits of wisdom,
> advice and such would be very much appreciated.
> 
> 	-Thanks much,
> 	Dr. Avi Ghosh
> 
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Dear CCL fellows,
  I am doing MM3 calculations of organic compounds that contains
functional groups using TINKER. Unfortunately, TINKER does not
contains parameters required for carboxylic, esters and thiol.
I have added carboxylic and esters into the parameter file but
I don't have parameters for thiol (-SH and -S-) since our library
does not provide the literature.
  It would be very grateful to you, if somebody could provide
me the parameter sets for thiol and sulfide that were published
in  J. Phys. Org. Chem. 4 (1991) p. 647-658 and J. Phys. Org.
Chem. (1991) p. 659-666. Parameters in form of TINKER format
is appreciated but not necessary. If I could get such parameters,
I am willing to post the whole TINKER MM3 file that are updated
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>Good Morning and best wishes to all the Scientist Community !
>
>I have some problems with frequencies calculations with ADF 99. I obtain a
>lot of imaginary modes even if the structure seems to be optimized (I have
>already successfully performed the jobs at HF level). Could someone help me,
>giving some advices about displacements to use (cartesian vs z-mat),
>symmetry or numerical precision ?

First of all. ADF 99 is a DENSITY FUNCTIONAL program (i.e. the Amsterdam
Density Functional program). Everyone knows that DFT gives better
geometries than HF, and the geometries from DFT are generally different
>from HF ones. Simply because HF lacks electron correlation which IS present
in DFT.

The fact that you get imaginary frequencies indicates indeed that you do
NOT have an optimized geometry. So, I suggest that you first optimize the
geometry with ADF99 (CONVERGE grad=1.0e-5), which should not be too
difficult, because ADF99 is a fast, accurate and parallel program.

Secondly, in the frequencies run, you should use an integration accuracy of
at least 6.0, but I personally prefer even higher values. After you have
done this, and still get imaginary frequencies, come back for more advice.

>The second question is is there any programm that allows me to visualize the
>normal modes ? We are using the Cerius 2 package, but the new TAPE21 files
>aren't compatible with our version of Cerius 2.

Check the ADF homepage (http://www.scm.com) because they include some
support for Cerius.

Best regards,

Marcel Swart
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Happy 2000 CCl friends.
I really need a help.
How may I especify the CCl4 instead of water for calculations using the
continuum model in MOPAC2000.
Best Regards.

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Hi Carlos,

I have made a list of quite a few programs that generate 3D structures from
2D input such as structure drawing programs or smiles. Have a look at

http://www.claessen.net/chemistry/soft_mod_en.html

3D Viewer might be the best for your purposes. I also collected addresses of
online programs at

http://www.claessen.net/chemistry/soft_www_en.html

Try ComSpec3D, CyberMol or the VRML File Creator.

Good luck,

Rolf

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>
> Hi, everybody:
>
> I have files which list topology of the molecule as a list of
> atoms (given as elements) and a list of bonds between them
> for example:
>
> atoms 8
> atom C1  0.000 0.000 0.000
> atom C2  0.000 0.000 0.000
> atom H3  0.000 0.000 0.000
> atom H4  0.000 0.000 0.000
> atom H5  0.000 0.000 0.000
> atom H6  0.000 0.000 0.000
> atom H7  0.000 0.000 0.000
> atom H8  0.000 0.000 0.000
>
> bonds 7
> bond C1 C2 simple
> bond C1 H3 simple
> bond C1 H4 simple
> bond C1 H5 simple
> bond C2 C1 simple
> bond C1 H6 simple
> bond C1 H7 simple
> bond C1 H8 simple
> bond H3 C1 simple
> bond H4 C1 simple
> bond H5 C1 simple
>
> As can you see, the coordinates values zero, so I need to translate my
> input file into a file with the real (or approximate) spacial coordinates
> for that molecule. I don't need a program that display the structure (I'll
> do by myself after). I know that there is a program called CONCORD
>
>     http://www.tripos.com/software/concord.html
>
> which takes SMILEs and creates an approximate 3D structure. But i see that
> is a commercial program, and I need a freeware or shareware program (under
> LINUX), cause it's for educational and research purposes.
>
> Thanks a lot .
>
>  Carlos Robles V.
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eugene.leitl@lrz.uni-muenchen.de wrote:
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> From: "James G. Macmillan" <macmillan@uni.edu>
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> CCL,
> 
> Could someone give me some advice on software that runs under linux on a PC
> Parallel Cluster?  My experience is with SPARTAN under UNIX and NT.
> 
> Several people in Math, Physics, and Computer Science are planning a PC
> Cluster and I have been asked what software I might what to use on the
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http://www.beowulf-underground.org
http://sal.kachinatech.com/

These are two great sites that list a lot of applications that can run
on a beowulf cluster.  You might also want to search the boewulf/extreme
linux mailing list archives as many announcements of applications have
been made over both.
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Hello,

I hope CCLers will excuse me for mentioning, just before it ceases to be
topical, the molecule Y2K (diytterbium potassium). See _Science_, 17
December 1999, p. 2281. The authors conclude that its preparation is
"unlikely to [represent an] explosive event" but that it "could be the
material of the millenium." 

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Dear CCLers,
	I believe the author of the original post is suffering from Y2K 
problems himself as Y is Yttrium and Ytterbium is Yb. Just a 
friendly reminder.

						Balakrishnan


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2000 01 06

Hello,

I hope CCLers will excuse me for mentioning, just before it ceases 
to be
topical, the molecule Y2K (diytterbium potassium). See _Science_, 
17
December 1999, p. 2281. The authors conclude that its preparation 
is
"unlikely to [represent an] explosive event" but that it "could be the
material of the millenium." 

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2000 01 06

Re my message:
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2000 01 06

>Hello,

>I hope CCLers will excuse me for mentioning, just before it ceases 
>to be
>topical, the molecule Y2K (diytterbium potassium). See _Science_, 
>17
>December 1999, p. 2281. The authors conclude that its preparation 
>is
>"unlikely to [represent an] explosive event" but that it "could be the
>material of the millenium." 

> E. Lewars
>===========

Sorry, Y is Yttrium, not Ytterbium (which is Yb). _My_ fault. Or maybe
my computer had a Y2k problem.

E. Lewars
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>I really need a help.
>How may I especify the CCl4 instead of water for calculations using the
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To specify CCl4 as a solvent, use keyword "CCL4",

see http://home.att.net/~mopacmanual/node330.html

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