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Subject: G98 solvent calculation error
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From: AKINAGA Yoshinobu <akinaga@qcl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp>

 Dear all, 

I am calculating a reaction of lanthanide complex, including 
solent effects by PCM, using Gaussian 98. 
While I was performing single-point calculations at various 
molecular structure, I encountered an error message at particular 
molecular structure and the job stopped. I would like to ask you for help. 

Here is the last part of the output file.

      Cycle 149  Pass 1  IDiag 1:
      RMSU=  2.21D-05    CP:  1.00D+00  3.44D-01  5.59D-01  8.58D-01  1.40D+00
                         CP:  2.99D+00  2.31D+00  2.56D+00  1.81D+00
      E= -.191535890768486D+04 Delta-E=        -.000074845192
      DIIS: error= 2.33D-03 at cycle  10.
      Coeff:  .290D-01 -.933D-03 -.208D-01  .413D-02 -.135D+00  .126D+00
      Coeff:  .943D-01 -.137D+00 -.335D-01 -.926D+00
      RMSDP=9.96D-05 MaxDP=3.19D-03
     
     
      Cycle   1  Pass 1  IDiag 1:
       TESSERA: too many vertices in a tessera
      Error termination via Lnk1e in /usr/pgm/g98/l502.exe.
      Job cpu time:  0 days 20 hours  9 minutes  9.1 seconds.
      File lengths (MBytes):  RWF=   75 Int=    0 D2E=    0 Chk=    2 Scr=    1

First, the SCF procedure converged in 149 cycles. Next, the program was 
begining to perform solvent calculation, but something wrong occured and 
the job stopped. 
Here is my route section.

 ----------------------------------------------------------------------
 #p B3LYP/gen pseudo=read scf( maxcycle=1000) pop=full guess=cards 6d 1
 0f scrf=(PCM,read,solvent=WATER)
 ----------------------------------------------------------------------

My question is as follows:
What 'TESSERA: too many vertices in a tessera' means, and how I can 
overcome this difficulty ?

Thanks in advance.


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Yoshinobu Akinaga
Department of Applied Chemistry, Graduate School of Engineering,
University of Tokyo,
Tokyo 113-8656, Japan
tel : 03-3812-2111(7252),  E-mail : akinaga@qcl.t.u-tokyo.ac.jp
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Dear CCL members,
I am calculating the atomic charges of some symmetric molecules by means 
of the Merz-Kollman fitting. The conformations as well as the density 
matrices are symmetric, but the resulting MK charges are completely 
asymmetric (the differences are more than 0.2 !!!). 
Does anybody know the reason?

It seems that using a higher point density by means of IOp(6/41=10,6/42=17)
helps a bit. 
I tried also IOp(6/41=20,6/42=35) but in this case an error occurred:

  287560 points will be used for fitting atomic charges
 Fitting point charges to eletrostatic potential
 Convergence failure in SVDSol.
 Error termination via Lnk1e in /software/g98-a7/sgi_65/g98/l602.exe.

Does anybody know how can I control the convergence in SVDSol (maybe some 
limit of the number of steps)?

Thank you in advance for any help.

Yours, 
Petr Toman


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Hi, dear CCL'ers,

I have used the following non-standart route to calculate PES, including
6th layer to calculate MO for each point:

 1/38=1/1,8;
 2/12=2,17=6,18=5/2;
 3/11=9,25=1,30=1/1,2,3;
 4//1;
 5/5=2,6=3,7=512,38=4,44=35110/2;
 6/7=2,8=2,9=2,10=2,18=1,19=1,28=1/1;
 1//8(1);
 99/9=1/99;
 2//2;
 3/11=9,25=1,30=1/1,2,3;
 4/5=5,16=2/1;
 5/5=2,6=3,7=512,38=4,44=35110/2;
 6/7=2,8=2,9=2,10=2,18=1,19=1,28=1/1;
 1//8(-5);
 99/9=1/99;

There were two parametres, which were chosen to change during scans. The
problem : I have made the second scan for
the same system to test the results and found that the energies of heat
of formation, HOMO and other MO's WERE NOT
THE SAME ...! Why? The second testing scan had only few scan points as
it was only for test reason of the first one, but
these some chosen points were the same I have calculated before. It is
maybe worth to mention that the starting poit was
not the same as before in the first scan.

I think the answer may be there :

     1. The initial guess for the second test scan was different. As I
think the later steps takes the first initial guess,
     there maybe disagreement is the identical points of PES.
     2. Corse integrating grid (35110) and convergence (set to 3).
     3.  .... ? (your opinion)

The answers will be summurised.
Have a good day

A.Ziemys

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Normally, model chemistries such as G2 and CBS-4 include an optimization
step, and normally, this is desired.

But is there a way to do the energy evaluations only?  I'd like to calculate
a vertical ionization energy for something I've calculated at the CBS-4
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--David Shobe



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Dear list,

The Nature article which claimed to have observed atomic orbitals in 
fact claimed to have observed an orbital hole.  What exactly is the 
reltionship between an orbital and an orbital hole?  In what sense if 
any are they complementary?  How would the elelctron density arising 
>from a particular orbital relate to the electron density arising from
the corresponding hole?

Is it reasonable to expect a d orbital hole to "look like" a d orbital itself?

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Greetings all!

	In trying to optimize the ground state geometry of a charge transfer
species in MOPAC2000 using CI, I get the following error for the C.I.=4 case:

THE BAB MATRIX OF ORDER 11 IS SINGULAR IN DERI2
 THE RELAXATION IS STOPPED AT THIS POINT.
 RELAXATION ENDED IN DERI2 AFTER 10 CYCLES
 REQUIRED CONVERGENCE THRESHOLD ON RESIDUALS = 0.000010000
 HIGHEST RESIDUAL ON  1 GRADIENT COMPONENTS =  0.811538357
 ELAPSED TIME IN RELAXATION      12868.881 SECOND

	The AM1 optimization goes without a problem, and the C.I.=2
optimization, while the heat of formation is 40 kcal/mol higher and the
dipole is 1/10 that of the CI-less AM1 calculation, works fine as well
(all things considered).  It is at the case of C.I.=4 that my problems
start to arise.  I've tried a variety of MECI and converger keyword
options, but have had no success.

	Is there something someone's found to get around this problem?  Or is
this a new one on everyone else, too?
				
									thanks in advance,
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Dear CCLers,

I performed frequency calculation on o-cresol cation(doublet state) at the UB3LYP/6-311+G** level.
The calculation is carried out using Gaussian 98. Here is the input.

%chk=crsbh
#P B3LYP/6-311+G(D,P) OPT Freq Geom=Check Guess=Read TEST

o-cresol cation: Opt & Freq at B3LYP/6-311+G**

   1   2


The first part of this compound job, optimization is terminated normally.
However, the frequency calculation is done abnormally with the following error:

 Error #1 in AlGdDF.
 Error termination via Lnk1e in /home/g98/l1002.exe.

I've never seen this error before. 
Why the job is terminated abnormally? 
What should I do in order to get the result?
Please, Give me a tip of advice.

Sincerely yours,
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Hopefully, this email is not adding to the redundancy
of 
the CCL.

I am in search of  modern (< 2 year) reviews of the
state of QSAR and related topics...any suggestions
would be most appreciated -- including the most
active groups in the field. Also, software would be
most
appreicated both freeware and commercial. I will
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(Steven Creve of the Labo Quantumchemie group 
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Colleagues,

A few months ago, I posted the below message to CCL describing the New
Century issue of Theoretical Chemistry Accounts. Since then, I, Springer
(the publisher), and other members of the Editorial Board have received
many requests for copies of the issue. Based on this demand, Springer has 
decided to reprint it.

In particular, Springer plans to reprint the issue and
make it available on a pre-release order basis, i.e., they will print in
September a number equivalent to the orders they have received.

The issue will have the formal status of a book, including an ISBN:

Cramer, C.J., Truhlar, D.G.: Theoretical Chemistry Accounts Ð New Century
Issue, ISBN 3-540-67867-0.
The price is DM 79.00 (approx. US-$ 40.00).

For those interested, the issue can be ordered by:

(1)  E-mail to service@springer.de citing the bibliographic information 
     above;

or

(2)  From Springer's Web site
     http://www.springer.de/customers/oder_books.html--click Order from 
     the Online Catalogue and search for the ISBN above.

We hope the theoretical community, and in particular students, will find
this issue a useful resource.

Sincerely,
Chris Cramer and Don Truhlar
Editor and Associate Editor, TCA


**********

Last month, Theoretical Chemistry Accounts (TCA) published its New Century
Issue. Each member of the editorial board selected one or more papers from
the 20th century and wrote a 2-4 page perspective on the influence that
the work had on theoretical chemistry/computational chemistry/molecular
modeling. One of the motivations for this issue was to provide a historical
context that would be readily accessible to newcomers to the field.

I attach below the Table of Contents, hoping it will be of interest to 
List subscribers. If your library subscribes to TCA, you can probably
access the issue online at
http://link.springer.de/link/service/journals/00214/tocs/t0103003.htm
Apologies for some non-ASCII characters and some odd wraps of long titles.

Chris Cramer
Editor, TCA

Table of Contents Vol. 103 Issue 3/4

          C.J. Cramer, D.G. Truhlar:
          preface: A new century of theoretical chemistry 
          Theor Chem Acc 103 (2000) 3/4, 167-167
          DOI 10.1007/s002149900104
          Article in PDF format (32 KB) 

          Bernd Artur Hess:
          perspective: Perspective on "Zur Quantentheorie der
Spektrallinien" 
          Sommerfeld A (1916) Ann Phys (Leipzig) 51:1-94, 125-167
          Theor Chem Acc 103 (2000) 3/4, 168-170
          DOI 10.1007/s002149900081
          Article in PDF format (73 KB) 

          B. M. Pettitt:
          perspective: A Perspective on "Volume and heat of hydration of
ions" 
          Born M (1920) Z Phys 1: 45
          Theor Chem Acc 103 (2000) 3/4, 171-172
          DOI 10.1007/s002149900036
          Article in PDF format (57 KB) 

          John C. Tully:
          perspective: Perspective on "Zur Quantentheorie der Molekeln" 
          Born M, Oppenheimer R (1927) Ann Phys 84: 457
          Theor Chem Acc 103 (2000) 3/4, 173-176
          DOI 10.1007/s002149900049
          Article in PDF format (101 KB) 

          Gernot Frenking:
          perspective: Perspective on "Wechselwirkung neutraler Atome und
homšopolare Bindung nach der Quantenmechanik" 
          Heitler W, London F (1927) Z Phys 44: 455-472
          Theor Chem Acc 103 (2000) 3/4, 177-179
          DOI 10.1007/s002149900040
          Article in PDF format (78 KB) 

          Trygve Helgaker, Wim Klopper:
          perspective: Perspective on "Neue Berechnung der Energie des
Heliums im Grundzustande, sowie des tiefsten Terms von Ortho-Helium" 
          Hylleraas EA (1929) Z Phys 54: 347-366
          Theor Chem Acc 103 (2000) 3/4, 180-181
          DOI 10.1007/s002149900051
          Article in PDF format (58 KB) 

          Werner Kutzelnigg:
          perspective: Perspective on "Quantum mechanics of many-electron
systems" 
          Dirac PAM (1929) Proc R Soc Lond Ser A 123: 714
          Theor Chem Acc 103 (2000) 3/4, 182-186
          DOI 10.1007/s002149900029
          Article in PDF format (99 KB) 

          Gernot Frenking:
          perspective: Perspective on "Quantentheoretische BeitrŠge zum
Benzolproblem. I. Die Elektronenkonfiguration des Benzols und verwandter
Beziehungen" 
          HŸckel E (1931) Z Phys 70: 204-286
          Theor Chem Acc 103 (2000) 3/4, 187-189
          DOI 10.1007/s002149900023
          Article in PDF format (86 KB) 

          George A. Petersson:
          perspective: Perspective on "The activated complex in chemical
reactions" 
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Hi, dear CCL'ers,

I have used the following non-standart route to calculate PES, including 6th layer
to calculate MO for each point:

 1/38=1/1,8;
 2/12=2,17=6,18=5/2;
 3/11=9,25=1,30=1/1,2,3;
 4//1;
 5/5=2,6=3,7=512,38=4,44=35110/2;
 6/7=2,8=2,9=2,10=2,18=1,19=1,28=1/1;
 1//8(1);
 99/9=1/99;
 2//2;
 3/11=9,25=1,30=1/1,2,3;
 4/5=5,16=2/1;
 5/5=2,6=3,7=512,38=4,44=35110/2;
 6/7=2,8=2,9=2,10=2,18=1,19=1,28=1/1;
 1//8(-5);
 99/9=1/99;

There were two parametres, which were chosen to change during scans. The problem :
I have made the second scan for the same system to test the results and found that
the energies of heat of formation, HOMO and other MO's WERE NOT THE SAME ...! Why?
The second testing scan had only few scan points as it was only for test reason of
the first one, but these some chosen points were the same I have calculated before.
It is maybe worth to mention that the starting poit was not the same as before in
the first scan.

I think the answer may be there :

     1. The initial guess for the second test scan was different. As I think
     the later steps takes the first initial guess, there maybe disagreement
     is the identical points of PES.
     2. Corse integrating grid (35110) and convergence (set to 3).
     3.  .... ? (your opinion)

The answers will be summurised.
Have a good day

A.Ziemys

*Vytautas Magnus Universitu          Ins. of Biochemistry
Dept. of Biology                             Lab. of Enzymatic chemistry
Vileikos 8                                       Mokslininku 12
LT-3035, Kaunas                           Vilnius
Lithuania                                         Lithuania

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Hi, dear CCL'ers,
<p>I have used the following non-standart route to calculate PES, including
6th layer to calculate MO for each point:
<p>&nbsp;1/38=1/1,8;
<br>&nbsp;2/12=2,17=6,18=5/2;
<br>&nbsp;3/11=9,25=1,30=1/1,2,3;
<br>&nbsp;4//1;
<br>&nbsp;5/5=2,6=3,7=512,38=4,44=35110/2;
<br>&nbsp;6/7=2,8=2,9=2,10=2,18=1,19=1,28=1/1;
<br>&nbsp;1//8(1);
<br>&nbsp;99/9=1/99;
<br>&nbsp;2//2;
<br>&nbsp;3/11=9,25=1,30=1/1,2,3;
<br>&nbsp;4/5=5,16=2/1;
<br>&nbsp;5/5=2,6=3,7=512,38=4,44=35110/2;
<br>&nbsp;6/7=2,8=2,9=2,10=2,18=1,19=1,28=1/1;
<br>&nbsp;1//8(-5);
<br>&nbsp;99/9=1/99;
<p>There were two parametres, which were chosen to change during scans.
The problem : I have made the second scan for the same system to test the
results and found that the energies of heat of formation, HOMO and other
MO's WERE NOT THE SAME ...! Why? The second testing scan had only few scan
points as it was only for test reason of the first one, but these some
chosen points were the same I have calculated before. It is maybe worth
to mention that the starting poit was not the same as before in the first
scan.
<p>I think the answer may be there :
<blockquote>1. The initial guess for the second test scan was different.
As I think the later steps takes the first initial guess, there maybe disagreement
is the identical points of PES.
<br>2. Corse integrating grid (35110) and convergence (set to 3).
<br>3.&nbsp; .... ? (your opinion)</blockquote>
The answers will be summurised.
<br>Have a good day
<p>A.Ziemys
<p>*Vytautas Magnus Universitu&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Ins. of Biochemistry
<br>Dept. of Biology&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Lab. of Enzymatic chemistry
<br>Vileikos 8&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Mokslininku 12
<br>LT-3035, Kaunas&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Vilnius
<br>Lithuania&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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Dear CCL members,

I have modified gOpenMol (http://www.csc.fi/~laaksone/gopenmol/)
to read molecular structures from the Jaguar (http://www.schrodinger.com)
output files and display Jaguar orbitals, densities and potentials. 
I myself don't have the Jaguar program so I can't do the detailed testing.

If there is any kind soul who is using Jaguar and would be interested to
act like a tester please let me know directly (Leif.Laaksonen@csc.fi)
so that I could remove the possible bugs from the code. I can provide
a prealpha version of gOpenMol 2.0 now for Windows 95/98/NT/2000.

Yours,

-leif laaksonen
  
 
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Sorry for my late entry in this discussion, but I was on vacation. You
may also wish to look at the well-tempered basis sets (WTBS) of Huzinaga,
Miguel, and Klobukowski. They are fairly large, but quite accurate. Basis
sets for H-Rn are available on the basis set library page

http://www.emsl.pnl.gov:2080/forms/basisform.html

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Dear CCLers,

Below you can find a list of the responses received to my 
question concerning Atomic charges of Ni and Co.

ORIGINAL QUESTION WAS:
Dear CCLers,
I wonder if there is a suitable method for calculation of atomic charges 
in molecules containing Ni or Co. 
I tried Pop=MK in Gaussian 98, but...
 Merz-Kollman atomic radii used.
 GetVDW:  no radius for atom   1 atomic number  28.

Of course, it is possible to use Mulliken population analysis, but I am 
not sure if it is the best way.

Thanks a lot.

Best regards,
Petr Toman

ANSWERS:

Date sent:      	Fri, 11 Aug 2000 08:44:37 -0400
From:           	Joseph Ochterski <gaussian.com!ochtersk@gaussian.com>
To:             	Petr Toman <bajor!uunet!imc.cas.cz!toman@uunet.uu.net>
Subject:        	Re: CCL:Atomic charges: Ni, Co

On Fri, Aug 11, at 09:49:57AM +0200, Petr Toman wrote:
> Dear CCLers,
> I wonder if there is a suitable method for calculation of atomic charges 
> in molecules containing Ni or Co. 
> I tried Pop=MK in Gaussian 98, but...
>  Merz-Kollman atomic radii used.
>  GetVDW:  no radius for atom   1 atomic number  28.
> 
> Of course, it is possible to use Mulliken population analysis, but I am 
> not sure if it is the best way.
> 

Another option is to using the ReadRadii keyword:

#p cep-31g pop=(ReadRadii,Mk)

tungsten

0 1
O
Br 1 R2
H 1 R1 2 A1

R2 = 1.6
R1 = 1.3
A1 = 105.9

Br 1.3




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Joseph Ochterski, Ph.D
Senior Customer Service Scientist
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Date sent:      	Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:00:07 +0200
From:           	"Achim Lienke" <Achim.Lienke@Unilever.com>
Subject:        	RE: CCL:Atomic charges: Ni, Co
To:             	"Petr Toman" <toman@imc.cas.cz>

Well, there are no real vdW radii for Co and Ni. 

My suggestion: Vary from 1.9 to 2.4 and calculate the charges. I think you 
get
a plateu, but the differences should be anyway small.
Ah, yes - you have to read in the MK value in the Gaussian-file.

I think, the command is

pop=(MK,read) (and I would also include dipole). You can read the guess, 
geom,
basisset from a previous run; you can even use the density. At the end of 
the
input file you have to specify your value, e.g. Co 2.00.  The input format 
is
somewhat tricky - I would read in all molecule information from a chk file,
leave a blank line, put the vdW value and terminate it by another blank 
line.

Achim 



From:           	gaussian.com!fox@gaussian.com (Doug Fox)
Subject:        	Re: CCL:Atomic charges: Ni, Co
To:             	uunet!imc.cas.cz!toman%gaussian.com@uunet.uu.net (Petr 
Toman)
Date sent:      	Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:13:32 -0400 (EDT)
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  Dr. Toman,

   There were no default radii proposed for that method, or most of
the ESP charge fittings.  You can use the ReadRadii or ReadAtRadii
to specify radii by the element or by the atom at the end of the input.
There are VdWaals radii in the literature but for metals often people
have tweaked them so there is room for experimentation.


> Dear CCLers,
> I wonder if there is a suitable method for calculation of atomic charges 
> in molecules containing Ni or Co. 
> I tried Pop=MK in Gaussian 98, but...
>  Merz-Kollman atomic radii used.
>  GetVDW:  no radius for atom   1 atomic number  28.
> 
> Of course, it is possible to use Mulliken population analysis, but I am 
> not sure if it is the best way.
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> Best regards,
> Petr Toman
> 
> 
> 

-- 

  Douglas J. Fox
  Director of Technical Support
  help@gaussian.com


Date sent:      	Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:30:47 +0200 (CEST)
From:           	ulf@hugin.teokem.lu.se (Ulf Ryde)
To:             	toman@imc.cas.cz
Subject:        	Re: CCL:Atomic charges: Ni, Co

Dear Prof. Toman, 
please take a look in our article
E. Sigfridsson & U. Ryde (1998) 
A comparison of methods for deriving atomic charges from the electrostatic
potential and moments. J. Comp. Chem. 19, 377-395.
(A poster about it can be found in 
http://signe.teokem.lu.se/~emma/Poster/).

In this article we discuss such issues.
In short, we recommend you to use the MK method in Gaussian
but with a higher point density:
Pop=MK IOp(6/41=10,6/42=17)

To obtain a proper radius for Ni or Co, you should try some radii,
and select one where the charges are stable.
For Cu this is around 2 A (see Table 3 in the article).

You set the radius in Gaussian with
Pop=(MK,ReadRadii)

and at the end of the script
Co 2.0
Ni 2.0

Good Luck,
Ulf
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Date sent:      	Fri, 11 Aug 2000 11:56:49 +0200
To:             	"Petr Toman" <toman@imc.cas.cz>
From:           	Marcel Swart <m.swart@chem.rug.nl>
Subject:        	CCL:Atomic charges: Ni, Co
Copies to:      	CHEMISTRY@ccl.net

>Dear CCLers,
>I wonder if there is a suitable method for calculation of atomic charges
>in molecules containing Ni or Co.
>I tried Pop=MK in Gaussian 98, but...
>  Merz-Kollman atomic radii used.
>  GetVDW:  no radius for atom   1 atomic number  28.
>
>Of course, it is possible to use Mulliken population analysis, but I am
>not sure if it is the best way.
>
>Thanks a lot.
>
>Best regards,
>Petr Toman

Sure there is.
We have recently developed a Multipole Derived Charge analysis,
which gives the most acurrate charge description possible in DFT.
(The paper has been accepted to appear in J.Comput.Chem.)

Since there are NO parameters like for instance the MK-radii,
as long as the calculation on the molecule is possible,
the charges can be obtained, and are the best description of
the charge distribution within that (DFT)-calculation.

It has been implemented in the ADF program.

Marcel Swart.


Date sent:      	Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:41:33 +0200
From:           	Jacco van de Streek <jaccos@sci.kun.nl>
Organization:   	Dept. of Solid State Chem. 
To:             	chemistry@ccl.net, Petr Toman <toman@imc.cas.cz>
Subject:        	Re: CCL:Atomic charges: Ni, Co

Petr Toman wrote:
> 
> Dear CCLers,
> I wonder if there is a suitable method for calculation of atomic charges
> in molecules containing Ni or Co.
> I tried Pop=MK in Gaussian 98, but...
>  Merz-Kollman atomic radii used.
>  GetVDW:  no radius for atom   1 atomic number  28.

This seems to be related to a recent question about the same topic.

>From my own experience, best results for partial charges are obtained
by:

a. Using the set sampling points of Breneman & Wiberg (the 'ChelpG'
keyword).
b. Restricting the dipole moment (the 'Dipole' keyword).

The command line then reads something like:
# HF/6-31G** Pop=(ChelpG,Dipole) etc.

The reference to the Breneman & Wiberg paper is:
Breneman, C.M. & K.B. Wiberg (1990). J. Comp. Chem. 11, 361-373.

ChelpG is the only method which uses a lot of sampling points, and it
can cope with additional charge centres (MK can't in my experience,
Gaussian crashes).

Restricting the dipole moment has two advantages:

a. At long distances, the monopole of a neutral molecule is neglegible
(=zero), and the dipole interactions are next in importance.
b. There are quite a lot of degrees of freedom, which can render some
pairs of atoms ill-defined (dependent on each other). Restricting the
dipole moment might not solve this problem completely, but at least will
push the calculation in the right direction.

If anyone can think of a disadvantage, I'd like to know.


If the molecule contains atoms for which Gaussian has no atomic radius
available, you must split your job (otherwise Gaussian crashes):

1. Run the optimisation / single point job, specifying a checkpoint
file.
2. Run the ESP job.

The command line for the second step reads:
# HF/6-31G** Pop=(ChelpG,Dipole,ReadRadii) Density=CHK Geom=checkpoint
etc.

This indicates that both the electron density and the molecular geometry
must be read from the checkpoint file.

The 'ReadRadii' keyword indicates that at the end of the input radii for
the ChelpG calculation are provided. The format of the radii is:
Blank line
'Atomic number' 'radius in Angstrom'
Blank line
Blank line

So for the calculation of the a molecule containing bromine, after
having run the single point calculation, the entire input file is as
simple as:

*****************************************
$ RunGauss
%Chk=C14H28Br2.chk
# HF/6-31G** Pop=(ChelpG,Dipole,ReadRadii) Density=CHK SCF=Direct
Geom=(checkpoint,NoDistance,NoAngle)

1,14-dibromotetradecane

0 1

 35 1.85


*****************************************

I hope it is clear that your optimisation / single point job must
contain '%Chk=C14H28Br2.chk' as its second line.

Comments and experiences welcomed.

Hope this helps,
-- 
Jacco van de Streek (mailto:jaccos@sci.kun.nl)
Dept. of Solid State Chemistry
University of Nijmegen
The Netherlands


From:           	Pascal.Boulet@chiphy.unige.ch
Date sent:      	Fri, 11 Aug 2000 12:44:04 +0200 (MET-DST)
Subject:        	atomic Charges
To:             	toman@imc.cas.cz

Dear Petr,


An alternative to Mulliken charges is Voronoi charges.
the basic principle is to calculate the electron density inside let say a
cell surrounding the atom. This cell (or volume) is constructed from the
instersection of polyhedra. This cell is equivalent to the Wigner cell
for crystals.

ADF calculates Voronoi charges routinely.


Hope this help,

Best Regards,

Pascal




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Date sent:      	Fri, 11 Aug 2000 21:55:57 +0400
From:           	Renat <nazmutdi@dionis.kfti.kcn.ru>
Send reply to:  	Renat <nazmutdi@dionis.kfti.kcn.ru>
Organization:   	KGTU
To:             	"Petr Toman" <toman@imc.cas.cz>
Subject:        	Re: Atomic charges: Ni, Co

Hallo Petr,

Friday, August 11, 2000, 11:49:57 AM, you wrote:

PT> Dear CCLers,
PT> I wonder if there is a suitable method for calculation of atomic 
charges 
PT> in molecules containing Ni or Co. 
PT> I tried Pop=MK in Gaussian 98, but...
PT>  Merz-Kollman atomic radii used.
PT>  GetVDW:  no radius for atom   1 atomic number  28.
PT> Of course, it is possible to use Mulliken population analysis, but I 
am 
PT> not sure if it is the best way.
PT> Thanks a lot.
PT> Best regards,
PT> Petr Toman

     I would sugest to employ the ionic radii values corresponding to the
relevant oxydation state using the option

             ..... pop=(MK, ReadRadii) ....

 and in the end of your input file, e.g. in the case of Ni(II)

 Ni 0.74

    Recently I used this simple scheme in calculations of several
Co(III)/Co(II) and Fe(III)/Fe(II) aqua-, aquaammine- and
cyanocomplexes and found a nice correlation between the atomic charge
values computed in the framework of MK, ChelpG and NPA methods.


Best regards,
    Prof. Renat Nazmutdinov                            
mailto:nazmutdi@dionis.kfti.kcn.ru

    Inorg. Chem. Department
    Kazan State Technological University
    420015 Kazan, Republic Tatarstan
    Russia




