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Hi CCLers,

I'd like to hear from anybody who's used Autodock regarding the results I'm getting. I docked a ligand which was taken out of a crystalized ligand-protein complex and used it to dock into the binding site. I tested with rigid docking and it works well but when the ligand is flexible, I got a whole lots of conformations which don't really produce the crystalized binding mode very well. At most one 3 or 4 conformations only will have better conformations (compare to the crystal structure), with different binding affinity. Whatever the case, the lowest binding affinity calculated is still found in the binding site, just that the frequency of this conformation is not high. 

I don't quite understand why this happened, aside from the fact maybe the force field wasn't suitable ( I used CVFF) or maybe the ligand has different binding modes. The total charge on my protein is negative while the ligand is positive. Does anybody have this sort of problem or am I just not using Autodock correctly. I tried many times with changing some parameters but the results are pretty much consistent.

Any feedback will be truly appreciated. Thanks.

Rowyna K.

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On Tue, 7 May 2002, nepenthes@vplaces.net wrote:

>I'd like to hear from anybody who's used Autodock regarding the results 
>I'm getting. I docked a ligand which was taken out of a crystalized 
>ligand-protein complex and used it to dock into the binding site. I 
>tested with rigid docking and it works well but when the ligand is 
>flexible, I got a whole lots of conformations which don't really produce 
>the crystalized binding mode very well. At most one 3 or 4 conformations 
>only will have better conformations (compare to the crystal structure), 
>with different binding affinity. Whatever the case, the lowest binding 
>affinity calculated is still found in the binding site, just that the 
>frequency of this conformation is not high. 
>
>I don't quite understand why this happened, aside from the fact maybe 
>the force field wasn't suitable ( I used CVFF) or maybe the ligand has 
>different binding modes. The total charge on my protein is negative while 
>the ligand is positive. Does anybody have this sort of problem or am I 
>just not using Autodock correctly. I tried many times with changing some 
>parameters but the results are pretty much consistent.

There are two points to consider: force field accuracy and searching 
efficiency. Rigid docking is easier on the searching algorithm, so if you 
find the pocket there it means it can be found. However this is no 
guarantee that a flexible ligand would find the same site, even with 
infinite searching, since a flexible ligand might find other (lower) 
energy minima.

I have a paper coming up in Protein Science about the efficiency of 
docking using Autodock. We basically found that we could reproduce most 
crystal complexes (8 out of 10) with flexible ligands. It may need some 
parameter tuning (e.g. larger population size), however, and quite a bit 
of patience because some of these dockings took several 100 hours of CPU 
time.

 -- 
Groeten, David.
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Hi,

Does anybody know, or know where to find, to which convergence 
criteria the keywords (tight, verytight, no keyword (standard) and 
sleazy) correspond. I don't seem to find in the manual.

Regards, 

Martijn Zwijnenburg
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On 5/7/02 12:45 PM, "Martijn Zwijnenburg" <M.A.Zwijnenburg@tnw.tudelft.nl>
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> Hi,
> 
> Does anybody know, or know where to find, to which convergence
> criteria the keywords (tight, verytight, no keyword (standard) and
> sleazy) correspond. I don't seem to find in the manual.
> 
> Regards, 
> 
> Martijn Zwijnenburg
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Dear Martijn Zwijnenburg,

What you are looking for is the convergence criteria of the keyword OPT. I
am saying this because there are two difference convergence criteria in
gaussian98. One is in keyword SCF, and the second is in OPT.

You are right, they are not listed in the manual or the gaussian website,
but you can find out rather quickly by running a quick optimization with
both criteria. Gaussian outputs the criteria in its logfile.

It doesn't matter what method you use. Just run HF level STO-3G basis set
with OPT=TIGHT or OPT=VERYTIGHT. And then 'grep' or look for these four
things for the individual criteria:

"Maximum Force"
"RMS     Force"
"Maximum Displacement"
"RMS     Displacement"

It's painless and more exact than anybody's memory.

Cheers.
HYC


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I am trying to simulate the electric field by point charge and need to place 
the charge in an appropriate position relative to the molecule.I have 
difficulty trying to do this.

# hf/6-31G(d) Charge

Title section

0 1
molecule specification
...
<blank line>
-10.000000     0.000000    17.320508 7.0

It is the last line that arises the difficulty.As my specification for the 
molecule is always in Z-matrix format,I do not know whether there is a 
convenient way to place the charge relative to my molecule(say,I want to it 
be 4.0A from atom1 and makes an angle 90 with atom1 and atom2 and a dihydral 
angle of 90 with atom1 and atom2 and atom3)

> From Gaussian website:
By default, the charges are read from the input stream, one per line, in 
this format:
x y z charge point charge format

So if I specify the molecule in Z-matrix format,I do not know how it is 
converted to cartesian coordinate and how the charge is placed relative to 
the molecule.If I were to use cartesian coordinate for the molecule,it is 
not very easy to specify the charge position relative to some certain 
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Dear CCLer's:

        First of all, I want to thank everyone who has ever helped me in
the past. CCL was a great help to me in finishing my doctoral research,
and getting my degree.So, is anyone needs a computational chemist in the
field of environmental science...(shameless self promotion).
        My question is-does anyone have any references on how to go
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         As always, your help is greatly appreciated.
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Dear CCL,
   There were 3 very helpful responses to my query about cheap disk-storage 
that can cross mounted on a wide variety of Unix platforms.
   They are listed below (with permission for responses not already posted to 
the list).
   Looks like this can work with some care (kernel problems for which patches
are available seem to be the key).

   I really appreciate the responses provided,

                       John Shelley
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                       Schrodinger, Inc

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Original Question:


Dear CCL,
    I'm curious about a cheap relatively modest disk solution (100-500
GBytes) that can be effectively cross mounted on a wide variety of unix
systems (Linux, SUN, AIX, HP, Compaq TRU64 and SGI IRIX) using NFS for
scientific data storage/access.  It need not be a RAID system but could
be.

   The main reason that I'm asking about this is that I've heard about
severe problems with access to the disk being frequently frozen with
simultaneously cross mounting relatively cheaps disks in
heterogeneous environments using NFS.

   I'd appreciate any success/problem stories that people might have
regarding this issue.

================================

   Here are the answers received:


================================

From: Jim Phillips <jim@ks.uiuc.edu>

We've been using Sun servers running Solaris, mounted by all of those
platforms, stably for years.  (Actually, we just got the AIX box last
week, but everything else has been working solidly for three years.)  You
can get a low-end Sun for $1000.  We've had bad luck with Linux servers.


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The computer systems used in the Theoretical Biophysics Group, 
Computing Facility an NIH Resource for Macromolecular Modeling and 
Bioinformatics are described at:

http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Development/Computers/ or
http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Development/Computers/systems.html


================================

From: Malcolm Gillies <malcolm@kemi.dtu.dk>

Hi John,

I'm not sure I understand what you're looking for, but we have a
Linux NFS server which is mounted by a cluster of 15 Linux machines,
as well as a couple of SGIs. All very simple and cheap, and no problems
since it was installed about 18 months ago. The disks themselves are
SCSI, but I can't see that IDE would make a big difference, apart from
SCSI being easier to swap around (we have fancy rackmount enclosures).

A couple of weeks ago I set up software RAID on a Linux machine for
the scratch partition (hoping to speed up the I/O). That went very
easily using the Red Hat install tools, and so far nothing unusual
has popped up. That's not being served across NFS of course.

What do you mean by "relatively cheap disks"?

With regard to "freezing", I have had two problems with poor response
times across NFS on my Linux machines. The first was simply due to
loading the server with CPU intensive processes (eg jaguar), which
was easily solved by keeping those jobs off the server. The second
was due to a bug in the Ethernet driver on the client machine, which
was causing extremely low network throughput. Fixed with a kernel
upgrade, once I realized what was going on.


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Follow-up messages:

> > What do you mean by "relatively cheap disks"?

Somewhere in between business class RAIDs with very high reliability and 
disks commonly used on PCs.

> 
> [...]
> the various machines that we need to work on.  We have had some problems
> with large cheap disks and cross mounting them from Linux to a lot of
> other computers.  I've heard that the disk would go into a weird state
> (NFS problem) and that would essentially make it inaccessible on all the
> computers.  Inaccessible is a mild term since doing a df would cause the
> window involved to irreversibly lock up as well.
 
Do you have anything to go on suggesting that the problem was disk-
related rather than purely NFS-related?

(Not really but perhaps kernel related, I was not involved in this.) 

As someone else mentioned, having a dud kernel version can be a problem.
Particularly with older kernels (pre 2.2.14, from memory) the NFS
implementation had some serious problems. Our NFS server is running an
SGI-patched 2.2 series kernel which apparently includes some NFS fixes.
I believe these and many more are included in the current 2.4 series
releases. NFS3 over UDP appears to be the preferred option at the
moment; the TCP implementation is still flaky.

If you want something off the shelf, there are various Linux-based
boxes around, like the Cobalt Qube gear (sold by Sun these days?).
More expensive than rolling your own, of course.

========================================
This one was posted on CCL

From: Szilveszter Juhos <szilva@ribotargets.com>

For a Linux/BSD based solution go for hardware RAID(5) with a reliable
card ( http://linas.org/linux/raid.html ). You can use NFS automounter
(for Linux sometimes better to use the BSD-based daemon instead of the
kernel automounter). Also NFS 3 client/server is supported for Linux
nowadays. If you are using many inodes/files, it is adviced to increase
/proc/sys/fs/file-max (2.4 kernel and also the inode-max on 2.2. kernels)
to its double/triple value. Also better to use the vm33 patch on a machine
that is used as an application server (though it is always a bad idea to
give the fileserver into the users hand ;) Do not forget that for
automounted volumes you have to explicitly 'cd' into the dir, it is not
enough to use the auto-completion in the shell (the TAB key I mean).

Adviced to use a journalling filesystem BUT NOT reiserfs on such systems.
ext3/xfs is the option, I do not know how IBM's jfs is performing, but
that also can be an option.

Backing up such data is a pain if you do not want to pay for expensive
tape robots, etc. People say amanda (GNU) is OK, I have very good
experiences with arkeia (that is not free for this size unfortunatelly but
still many times cheaper than Veritas or HSM solutions). Also due to the
frequent RPC vulnerabilities better to have at least a packet filter
firewall.

So there is no out-of-the box Linux solution, but with some tuning you can
have a pretty good system. I was managing ~2TB on-line data with similar
architecture in a heterogenous net (Linux,HP,Solaris,Windows,IRIX). The
main source of problems was cr@py hardware RAID cards and out-of-the-box
kernels.




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Dear Bin,

last time I did use charges (G94), they were
placed at the point specified in the input (I
think in units of bohr). Then the molecule gets
rotated and shifted into the standard orientation.
If you optimize, your atoms move, but not the
charge.

If you want to place the charge at a specific point
with respect to your molecule, you may add a
He-atom to your geometry specification, run a
short calc (e.g. with %kill l301 1; I'm not sure
about the syntax anymore. It should kill the calc
after link 301 finishes for the first time.) and convert
the cartesian coordinates of the dummy to bohrs.
In order to prevent the center-of-mass shift caused
by the He, you need to:
1) Get cartesian coords for your molecule from the
last "standard orientation" of the optimization.
2) Add the He in z-matrix style. Use the "no-reorient"
or "no-symm" options to prevent reorientation of the
molecule in the next calc (use %kill).
3) get the cartesian coords of the He, convert them
to bohrs and use that coordinate for the charge you
want to place.

Since I'm somewhat out of practice with Gaussian,
the actual keywords may differ a little. Sorry for that.

Stefan
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Dear CCLer:

  Now I am trying to practice a few examples which are provided on website
http://www.psc.edu/general/software/packages/charmm/tutorial/crowley
/protein_index.html.

  I use example "Snake venom peptide from Green Mamba Snake". When I take
the second step, i.e. Minimization and solvation , the CHARMM gives
following ERROR MESSEAGE.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------
  ****  ERROR  **** A COUNTER VARIABLE HAS EXCEEDED ITS MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE
VALUE. EXECUTION WILL BE TERMINATED.
 THE CURRENT COUNTER VARIABLES AND THEIR MAXIMUM ALLOWED VALUES ARE:

 NSEG = 37       MAXSEG = 1000   NATOM = 25296   MAXA = 25140
 NBOND = 25316   MAXB =25140     NTHETA = 11323  MAXT = 25140
 NPHI = 5183     MAXP = 50280    NIMPHI = 351    MAXIMP = 9200
 NNB = 0         MAXNB = 17200   NDON = 271      MAXPAD = 8160
 NACC = 7962     MAXPAD = 8160   NRES = 7905     MAXRES = 14000
 NATC = 99       MAXATC = 500    NCB =138        MAXCB = 1500
 NCT = 341       MAXCT = 15500   NCP = 443       MAXCP = 3000
 NCI = 46        MAXCI = 600
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

 It shows that NATOM and NBOND has exceeded its maximum value.

 Anyone can give me suggestion to fix this problem.

 I will appreciate for your help.

 Jie



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Hi Jie,

It looks like you probably compiled the medium version of CHARMM or at
least that's what you are using.  You can compile a large version that
will take care of the problem.

$ ./install.com <machine-type> large <other-flags>

You can look into the file install.com to see what are the available
options for machine type, etc.

Good luck,

Troy Wymore
Biomedical Initiative Group
Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center


On Tue, 7 May 2002, J. Zheng wrote:

>
> Dear CCLer:
>
>   Now I am trying to practice a few examples which are provided on website
> http://www.psc.edu/general/software/packages/charmm/tutorial/crowley
> /protein_index.html.
>
>   I use example "Snake venom peptide from Green Mamba Snake". When I take
> the second step, i.e. Minimization and solvation , the CHARMM gives
> following ERROR MESSEAGE.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>   ****  ERROR  **** A COUNTER VARIABLE HAS EXCEEDED ITS MAXIMUM ALLOWABLE
> VALUE. EXECUTION WILL BE TERMINATED.
>  THE CURRENT COUNTER VARIABLES AND THEIR MAXIMUM ALLOWED VALUES ARE:
>
>  NSEG = 37       MAXSEG = 1000   NATOM = 25296   MAXA = 25140
>  NBOND = 25316   MAXB =25140     NTHETA = 11323  MAXT = 25140
>  NPHI = 5183     MAXP = 50280    NIMPHI = 351    MAXIMP = 9200
>  NNB = 0         MAXNB = 17200   NDON = 271      MAXPAD = 8160
>  NACC = 7962     MAXPAD = 8160   NRES = 7905     MAXRES = 14000
>  NATC = 99       MAXATC = 500    NCB =138        MAXCB = 1500
>  NCT = 341       MAXCT = 15500   NCP = 443       MAXCP = 3000
>  NCI = 46        MAXCI = 600
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  It shows that NATOM and NBOND has exceeded its maximum value.
>
>  Anyone can give me suggestion to fix this problem.
>
>  I will appreciate for your help.
>
>  Jie
>
>
>
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