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My question posted:

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Hello,

What are the good minimization algorithms for  up to
150max atoms? My goal to this most stable energy
conformer is to use it in docking experiment.

I tried MM3 & MMFF94 algorithms built in a specific
commercial software. Results showed that none of the
minimized structures in synchronized with ben.pdbq
distributed file in AutoDock.

Im calling the attention of Autodock users, have you
encountered this problem? Kindly give me a hint. I
would also appreciate if someone would be considerate
to give me good reading materials about energy
minimization.

Thanks,
Amor

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Hi amor san juan,
I think I have suggestion for your energy minimization
problem. With my 
experience with MM3, more than 90-100 atoms will give
you a realiable 
structures but you really need to be very careful with
the energies. I 
don't know which version of the MM programs you have,
but in the 
original Allinger's program it is an option called
"Stochastic Search" where 
you ramdomly move the atoms in the space and then
minimize the energy. 
As a result, you can do conformational search all
around the energy 
surphase avoiding the problem of the local minima. I
have been using this 
option for molecules with 80-100 atoms at works very
well.
Once again let me tell you that the energy values of
this programs are 
very questionable when it is applied to more than 100
atoms. 
If you are interested in the energies I rather will
use something like 
semi-empirical calculation (AM1, PM3, etc).
I hope this is will help you.
Jorge Gonzalez
-- 
Jorge Gonzalez Outeirino
Complex Carbohydrate Research Center
University of Georgia
220 Riverbend Road
30602 Athens
Georgia
USA
e-mail: uccajgo7@netscape.net

Amor, EM will never synchronize with a crystal
structure! Its just a
theoretical adjustment of bonds and angles, and is
used for refining 
models,
and region with High B-factor.

Quick summary of EM:

Steepest descent; refining, requires youto be in or
close to a local
minimum.

Conjugate Gradient: "rough" structure alternations, to
rock a model
hopefully in a better local minimum.

Extensive reading :

Leach A. (2001). Molecular Modelling: Principles and
applications. 2nd 
Ed.
Pearson Education Limited.

Good luck!

Sergio

Good reading material, well Leach "Molecular
Modelling" and Jenssen 
"Introduction to Computational Chemistry" are quite
good. 

Mr James J Robinson MRSC 
Molecular Modeller
Pharmacy and Pharmacology Dept.
University of Bath
Claverton Down
Bath, Somerset, UK.
BA2 7AY.
J.J.Robinson@bath.ac.uk
http://www.bath.ac.uk
tel +44(0) 1225 384723

MM3 and MMFF94 are not minimization algorithms but
force fields,
i.e. they yield the energy of a given system.

Your commercial program used a minimization algorithm
(e.g.
steepest descent, conjugate gradients, BFGS, EF) to
minimize
the energy (force field function) with respect to the
coordinates.

Thus, an answer to your question is twofold:
1, energy function
You can use a force field (cheap); the rather small
size of your
system also would allow you to choose semiempirical MO
methods, 
in order to take care of polarization effects.

2, minimization
Because your system is that small, you should use a
quasi-Newton 
method,
like BFGS or EigenvectorFollwing. One could also think
of molecular
dynamics or Monte Carlo (simulated annealing) - but
this depends 
strongly 
on the resources you have and the your intentions.

Regards,

Anselm



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A convenient source of up-to-date thermodynamic data in an easily-used form 
is the program PFC, at http://cea.grc.nasa.gov/.
PFC allows the user to get accurate data for over 2000 species contained in 
the NASA Glenn (formerly NASA Lewis) database, documented in
NASA TP-2002-211556  and at  http://www.grc.nasa.gov/www/ceaweb . This 
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>Reference Data Monograph No. 9,} (Am.Chem. Society, Am. Inst. 
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Charges from Huckel and extended Huckel theory rely only on the connectivity
of the system.  To the extent that Gasteiger charges (and its several
variants) are elaborations of Huckel theory, I would expect these would give
reliable charges, within the framework of that theory.  In fact, adding
Gasteiger-Huckel charges to a 2D molecule (MDL sdf files) before optimizing
the molecule in Sybyl (using a force field, which captures the connectivity
information) is a fairly common task in our lab.  You can do these
calculations in Alchemy (cheap) or VEGA (free!).  You might also check
TINKER (as a free/cheapware), but I am not experienced in its use. 

Doing 1SCF in MOPAC on a 2D molecule will give you meaningless charges (not
just inaccurate!).  This is because MOPAC's (NDO) methods do not depend on
the "bonding" information implied by a connection table - bonding is
inferred after a stable (optimized) configuration of the nuclei in the
electron soup is calculated.  The charges will be calculated (you can always
do the calculation!) but the 2D molecule is so far from a stable
configuration that heaven alone knows what they will mean. 

"Inflating" a 2D molecule to 3D in MOPAC _may_ work, but again, since
bonding is inferred after optimization, there is a good chance that your
structures will be ... ummm, novel?  This is particularly true if you start
with Cartesian coordinates.  With the Z-matrix (internal coordinates) ...
maybe yes, maybe not.  I've had some wonderful experiences with poorly
defined (in 3-space) starting structures giving very strange molecules after
optimization when I drew in the lines representing what I thought were
bonds.  At best, you will need to carefully review each structure after the
calculation. 

Hope this helps,
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Gasteiger charges (and its several variants) are elaborations of Huckel =
theory, I would expect these would give reliable charges, within the =
framework of that theory.&nbsp; In fact, adding Gasteiger-Huckel =
charges to a 2D molecule (MDL sdf files) before optimizing the molecule =
in Sybyl (using a force field, which captures the connectivity =
information) is a fairly common task in our lab.&nbsp; You can do these =
calculations in Alchemy (cheap) or VEGA (free!).&nbsp; You might also =
check TINKER (as a free/cheapware), but I am not experienced in its =
use. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Doing 1SCF in MOPAC on a 2D molecule will give you =
meaningless charges (not just inaccurate!).&nbsp; This is because =
MOPAC's (NDO) methods do not depend on the &quot;bonding&quot; =
information implied by a connection table - bonding is inferred after a =
stable (optimized) configuration of the nuclei in the electron soup is =
calculated.&nbsp; The charges will be calculated (you can always do the =
calculation!) but the 2D molecule is so far from a stable configuration =
that heaven alone knows what they will mean. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>&quot;Inflating&quot; a 2D molecule to 3D in MOPAC =
_may_ work, but again, since bonding is inferred after optimization, =
there is a good chance that your structures will be ... ummm, =
novel?&nbsp; This is particularly true if you start with Cartesian =
coordinates.&nbsp; With the Z-matrix (internal coordinates) ... maybe =
yes, maybe not.&nbsp; I've had some wonderful experiences with poorly =
defined (in 3-space) starting structures giving very strange molecules =
after optimization when I drew in the lines representing what I thought =
were bonds.&nbsp; At best, you will need to carefully review each =
structure after the calculation. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hope this helps,</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Steve</FONT>
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Does anyone know where I can find good data for the equilibrium constants,
(as a
function of temperature), for the reactions:

H2 + Cl2 = 2HCL

and

H2 + Br2 = 2HBr

Thank you.

Connie Knauer
Georgetown University
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Dear All,
recently I posted a question:

 > I am looking for (ideally free) software that can calculate local
 > isoelectric point (pI) for amino acids in a relatively large protein
 > (~40kDa). Also I would appreciate information about references dealing with
 > calculation of reactivity of cysteine residues in proteins.

I am very grateful to few people that send me replies (thanks to: Julien 
Michel, Guilherme, Sergio Manzetti).

Suggestions were to look at two free programs:
- ProtParam at www.expasy.org (where I found many other useful programs)
- prof. Bashford's MEAD (Macroscopic Eletrostatics with Atomic Detail) 
program http://www.scripps.edu/bashford/ (which I still have a bit of a 
hard time ftp-ing)


I didn't get any replies about references so any additional information 
will be appreciated.
Thanks again,
Mira



Miroslava Cuperlovic-Culf
Research Scientist
Beausejour Medical Research Institute
37 Providence Street
Moncton, NB E1C 8X3
Canada
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Dear All,<br>
recently I posted a question:<br><br>
&gt; I am looking for (ideally free) software that can calculate local
<br>
&gt; isoelectric point (pI) for amino acids in a relatively large protein
<br>
&gt; (~40kDa). Also I would appreciate information about references
dealing with <br>
&gt; calculation of reactivity of cysteine residues in 
proteins.<br><br>
I am very grateful to few people that send me replies (thanks to: Julien
Michel, Guilherme, Sergio Manzetti).<br><br>
Suggestions were to look at two free programs:<br>
- ProtParam at
<a href="http://www.expasy.org/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>www.expasy.org</a></u></font>
(where I found many other useful programs)<br>
- prof. Bashford's MEAD (Macroscopic Eletrostatics with Atomic Detail) program <a href="http://www.scripps.edu/bashford/" eudora="autourl"><font color="#0000FF"><u>http://www.scripps.edu/bashford/</a></u></font> (which I still have a bit of a hard time ftp-ing)<br><br>
<br>
I didn't get any replies about references so any additional information will be appreciated.<br>
Thanks again,<br>
Mira<br><br>
<br>
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Miroslava Cuperlovic-Culf <br>
Research Scientist<br>
Beausejour Medical Research Institute<br>
37 Providence Street <br>
Moncton, NB E1C 8X3 <br>
Canada <br>
fax: 506-862-4222 <br>
tel: 506-862-4848<br>
e-mail: miroslavac@health.nb.ca<br>
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Hello Everybody:
                I have a question regarding formats of macromolecule file, 
which we have to covert from one format to another while performing docking 
using AutoDock.

Please be free to correct me if I am wrong but as far as I understand 
macromolecule in pdbq file is with is with partial charge and in pdbqs it is 
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Thanks to those who replied.
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My original question:

Has anyone been able to get Babel for mac to work on a G3/G4 with 
System
9.x? I used to use this a while back, but now just get errors with either
the with or without fpu code (won't execute). I'm using the only versions
I can find; macbabel 1.3.

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OpenBabel will (should?) work at the Mac OS X (10.x) command line. See 
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There appears to  be no other solution for Mac OS 9.x and G3/G4 
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Dear CCLers,

Does anyone know how to calculate correctly the energy of an oxygen 
atom in the singlet state O(1D)? I am having a problem of evaluating 
the singlet-triplet energy difference E(S-T) = E[O(1D)] - E[O(3P)] 
whose experimental value is 190 kJ/mol. Using DFT methods (B3LYP and 
PW91) with small basis sets (6-31G*) significantly overestimates this 
energy splitting, giving E(S-T) = 270-280 kJ/mol. Calculation at 
CCSD(T)/6-311+G(3df) level of theory leads to a better result, 
however, it is still far from being acceptable, E(S-T) = 214 kJ/mol. 
So far I have found that it is the energy of O(1D) that is incorrect 
while the energy of O(3P) is reproduced properly. What goes wrong? 
The wavefunction for O(1D) seems to be correct - population analysis 
shows that it is symmetrical (2Px alpha) (2Px beta) (2Py alpha) (2Py 
beta).

Thank you in advance,
Alexei

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I haven't...

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Hello All,

Has anyone been able to compile CHARMM with GAMESS on a Linux cluster?
We recently acquired CHARMM (c28b2).
It compiles fine on the cluster (the GNU compiler was used).

The newest version of GAMESS-US was obtained (Jun 2002).
The installation instructions for compiling GAMESS in CHARMM  were followed
and then I tried to compile this--however, no success.
The last two lines of the logfile for the build are
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make: *** [/usr/local/charmm_gamess-us/c28b2/exec/gnu/charmm] Error 1

Has this happened to anyone else?

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