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Dear Pong

Freq=Raman is what you wanna say -  but beware, it takes much more time
(numerical calc).

regards
/Patrik 

Pong skrev:
> 
> Dear all,
> I use Gaussian94w Revision-E.1 for window. I have the problem with
> frequency caculation. I prefer to calculate both IR and Raman spectra. I
> used keyword in the input file as
> following;
> 
>  *********************************************
>  Gaussian 94:  x86-Win32-G94RevE.1 23-Nov-1996
>                   07-Aug-1902
>  *********************************************
>  %Chk=D:\g94_outputs\GLYCEROL\water\water_B3LYP_631Gd.chk
>  ----------------------------
>  # B3LYP/6-31G* Opt Freq Test
>  ----------------------------
> 
> But in the output file, it does not have data for Raman intensity (only
> IR, as shown)
> 
> Full mass-weighted force constant matrix:
>  Low frequencies ---  -49.0895  -47.6951  -20.2841    -.0026
> -.0022    -.0018
>  Low frequencies --- 1712.8715 3727.4009 3849.4834
>  Harmonic frequencies (cm**-1), IR intensities (KM/Mole),
>  Raman scattering activities (A**4/AMU), Raman depolarization ratios,
>  reduced masses (AMU), force constants (mDyne/A) and normal coordinates:
> 
>                      1                      2                      3
>                     A'                     A'                     A'
>  Frequencies --  1712.8715              3727.4009              3849.4834
> 
>  Red. masses --     1.0825                 1.0453                 1.0810
> 
>  Frc consts  --     1.8713                 8.5567                 9.4382
> 
>  IR Inten    --    75.8354                 1.6952                19.4360
> 
>  Raman Activ --      .0000                  .0000                  .0000
> 
>  Depolar     --      .0000                  .0000                  .0000
> 
>  Atom AN      X      Y      Z        X      Y      Z        X
> Y      Z
>    1   8      .00    .07    .00      .00    .05    .00      .07
> >.00    .00
>    2   1     -.43   -.56    .00      .58   -.40    .00     -.55
> >.44    .00
>    3   1      .43   -.56    .00     -.58   -.40    .00     -.55
> -.44    .00
> I tried to specify keyword ,Freq Raman to the input file. But it has
> error message as following;
> 
> Gaussian 94:  x86-Win32-G94RevE.1 23-Nov-1996
>                   07-Aug-1902
>  *********************************************
>  %Chk=D:\g94_outputs\GLYCEROL\water\water_B3LYP_631Gd_raman.chk
>  ----------------------------------
>  # B3LYP/6-31G* Opt Freq Raman Test
>  ----------------------------------
>   QPERR --- A SYNTAX ERROR WAS DETECTED IN THE INPUT LINE.
>  LYP/6-31G* OPT FREQ RAMAN TEST
>                      '
>  Last state="GCL"
>  TCursr= 2963 LCursr=  24
>  Error termination via Lnk1e in C:\G94W\l1.exe.
>  Job cpu time:  0 days  0 hours  0 minutes  1.0 seconds.
>  File lengths (MBytes):  RWF=    1 Int=    0 D2E=    0 Chk=    1 Scr=
> 1
> 
> Any-way, I changed to other level of basis set, for example MP2. It
> still be the same problem, except when I used the HF level of
> calculation, the program can calculate both
> IR and Raman. How can i solve this problem? Could you please give me the
> advises directly to my e-mail address;
> 
> jaturong.pratuangdejkul@lrb.ap-hop-paris.fr
> 
> Finally, I would like to thank for all kindness to help me solving my
> problem.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Pratuangdejkul J.
> 
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Hi all

If a regular Gaussian calculation is performed there is an output part:

"Electronic spatial extent (au): <R**2>= numerical value"

Can this be related to a volume? And if so, how is it defined and what's
the difference compared to calculations done with the Volume keyword
(where 0.001 e/bohr**3 is used)?

any help is much appreciated - and I'll of course summarize

sincerely

/Patrik

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Patrik:
> Freq=Raman is what you wanna say -  but beware, it takes much more
> time (numerical calc).

Sure, freq=raman is what you need if you wish to compute Raman 
scattering activities with DFT, and it does take a considerable 
amount of time. But G98 has a more efficient numerical routine, it 
computes Raman data much faster than G94.

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On Thu, 8 Aug 2002, Patrik Johansson wrote:

> Dear Pong
>
> Freq=Raman is what you wanna say -  but beware, it takes much more time
> (numerical calc).

This seems to be the right answer for Gaussian 98, but in Gaussian 94 you
cannot compute Raman activities for DFT methods. Looking through the CCL
archives, I found the following answer in a message posted on March 22, 1998:

"A few days ago I posted a question concerning calculation of Raman
 Activities in Gaussian94.
 The answer on my question is that Raman scattering Activities and Raman
 depolarization Ratios require calculation of third
 derivatives which is only available at HF level in Gaussian."

  regards,
     Tom

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Tom Sundius:

>> Freq=Raman is what you wanna say -  but beware, it takes much more
>> time (numerical calc).
> This seems to be the right answer for Gaussian 98, but in Gaussian
> 94 you cannot compute Raman activities for DFT methods.    ....

Correction! It IS possible to compute DFT Raman data with G94, but 
with G94 you need to specify the option FREQ=CUBIC (in my recent 
message, I forgot about this crucial detail!). - FREQ=CUBIC is 
extremely slow; the new numerical procedure implemented in G98 and 
called with FREQ=RAMAN is faster by an order of magnitude.

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Summary of softwares replied in viewing docked output
ligand+protein:

1) MidasPlus
2) VMD
3) Qmol
4) Pymol
5) SPDB
6) Viwer lite
7) Viwer Pro

Added to those is  ADT.

 Does anyone of those mentioned softwares capable of
viewing simultaneously the docked ligand and
protein(aside from ADT ofcourse). If there is what is
the input file you used. 

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Dear Collegues,
thanks for the replies to my question about calculating geometries of 
amides with flat potential energy surfaces. There does not seem to be a 
major problem with applying standard methods, although it seems that 
most people prefer the empirical approach, that is comparing results 
with experiment rather than doing a theoretical analysis. My original 
letter and the anwers are summarized below.
Regards,
Ulrike Salzner

Hello,
I am reviewing a thesis which deals with pyramidalization in amides, S, 
Se anlogues and amids in larger ring systems. Substituent effects are 
analyzed and compared with AIM and NBO. All of these systems have 
inversion barriers smaller than ammonia, some of them are planar. Thus, 
like ammonia, these molecules probably violate the Born-Oppenheimer 
approximation. How reliable are standard calculations (B3LYP/6-31G*, 
MP2/6-31G*) of bond angles, i.e. degree of pyramidalization? Should 
trends be ok? I would appreciate opinions on this.
Sincerely,
Ulrike Salzner


  This is an interesting question.  I am not sure there is a good answer.
It is known that gas phase calculations lead to pyramidalization of 
 nitrogens.  This may or may not be the case in a crystal or in a 
hydrogen bonded network.  One would like to have good crystal data, but 
it is very hard to locate hydrogens with x-ray crystallography. There is 
also a bias towards planarity in comercial programs.  If you enter 
coordinates and do an optimization involving nitrogens, the
molecule comes out planar.
  I have studied this problem in nucleic acids.  I can send you 
references if you like.  As for the amides, the problem would be even 
more difficult.
X-ray structures were probably done in the 60's, so there was no hope
of locating the hydrogens.  One could fine tune the theoretical 
procedures if one knew the answer.  But since the answer is not 
available, I'm not sure what to make of the theoretical claims about  
pyramidalization in the gas phase.

David Close


IMHO, B3LYP and MP2, with 6-31G* basis set, give good geometries for 
anilines:
according to B3LYP/6-31G* aniline is pyramidal N-Me aniline has the Me 
group almost in the plane, but the H notably out NN di methyl aniline is 
planar.

I've never encountered an amide that was not planar in a CHNOX 
[X=halogen]compound.

John McKelvey



(This is a hard question -- I'd be inclined to check geometries with
MP4 or CCSD(T), and also find out how it behaves with increasing the 
basis set size)

-- do you have a reference to molecules with small inversion
barriers and the consequences of violating the Born-Oppenheimer
approximation? I've run into this problem with lactam tautomers
of heterocycles.
 
Yours sincerely,

Jeremy
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My opinion: the calculations will be valid, if interpreted properly. 
I tend to think of such systems as "obeying" a modified, three-level 
Born-Oppenheimer approximation.  In the standard two-level 
Born-Oppenheimer approximation, the nuclei are frozen, with the 
electrons treated in quantum mechanical fashion, giving the familiar 
potential energy surface.  However, once we have that potential energy 
surface, we can use it to give the nuclei a quantum treatment: that is 
what we do when calculating zero-point and thermal energies.  

However, hydrogen compounds can be better treated with a three way 
distinction between electrons, hydrogen nuclei (especially if they are 
protons, i.e. 1H), and then the heavier nuclei.  One calculates the 
potential energy surface in the usual fashion (freezing all nuclei and 
allowing quantum mechanical treatment of electrons).  However, once that 
potential energy surface is calculated, the hydrogen atoms would be 
treated quantum mechanically while other nuclei are still frozen.  A new 
heavy atom potential energy surface is thus generated, and wavefunctions 
and probability distributions are calculated for the hydrogen nuclei.  
There was an article in Accounts of Chemical Research a few years ago in 
which this was done for water clusters. 

Back to your question: a planar amide is still distinguished from a 
pyramdialized amide in having a one-minimum or two-minima potential 
energy surface for the amide hydrogen.  These produce one-maximum or 
two-maxima probability distributions (respectively) for the hydrogen 
nuclei. Experimental geometries typically come from diffraction studies, 
which actually measure these probability distributions since the results 
are averaged among the molecules in the sample.  Thus, the experimental 
geometries should correspond to the minima found by B3LYP/6-31G* and the 
like.

--David Shobe
Süd-Chemie Inc.
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email  dshobe@sud-chemieinc.com


Hello,
        The NIST Computational Chemistry Comparison and Benchmark 
database (http://srdata.nist.gov/cccbdb) has experimental data and a 
bunch of calculations for a few amides: acetamide, urea, and version 7 
(September 2002) will have experimental data as well for formamide and 
alanine. The pyramidalization can be compared at different levels of 
theory by looking a the HNCH dihedral, which is 180 degrees for a planar 
amide.
The comparison can be set up in section IV.D.1

Hope this helps,
Russ Johnson

Dr. Russell D. Johnson III
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National Institute of Standards and Technology
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Yesterday I posted a comment regarding possible problems using G98's 
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Thanks to everyone for your help, and my apologies for being
so late in posting this summary of responses.

My question was:

Does anyone know where I can find good data for the equilibrium
constants, (as a function of temperature), for the reactions:

H2 + Cl2 = 2HCl

and

H2 + Br2 = 2HBr

The answers I received were:

1) Abhishek Jha (ajha@midway.uchicago.edu)

Hi!
Try www.nist.gov
I have used this before so I am sure you will get what you are looking
for.  Best of luck!

Cheers!
Abhishek Jha


2) Wayne Steinmetz (WES04747@pomona.edu)

Consider using the JANF Thermochemical Tables.

3) Bill Smith (bilsmith@uoguelph.ca)

Apart from standard tables like the JANAF Tables
(CHASE,M.,Jr.,1998, {\it NIST-JANAF Thermochemical Tables, 4th ed., J. Phys. and
Chem. Reference Data Monograph No. 9,} (Am. Chem. Society, Am. Inst.
Physics).Data, you can get a lot of this data from the free Lite version of the
reaction equilibrium software package EQS4WIN, available at

http://www.mathtrek.com

4) Chuck McFarland (cwm001@apk.net)

Given that enthalpy and entropy easily lead to free energies, which in turn lead
to equilibrium constants, and that Shomate equation coefficients give
temperature dependence, most, if not all, of what you need is at

http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/

5) David Shobe (dshobe@sud-chemieinc.com)

The NIST WebBook (http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/) has thermochemical data as
a function of temperature, and you can calculate equilibrium constants in the
usual way.

(Also note that the answers and necessary data sets will differ considerably for
gas-phase and aqueous-phase equilibrium constants).

6) Viswanathan Balakrishnan (bviswan@chem1.chem.dal.ca)

The equilibrium constants can be calculated from the thermodynamic data
available at http://webbook.nist.gov/chemistry/

7) Michael J. Zehe (Michael.J.Zehe@grc.nasa.gov)

A convenient source of up-to-date thermodynamic data in an easily-used form is
the program PFC, at http://cea.grc.nasa.gov/.  PFC allows the user to get
accurate data for over 2000 species contained in the NASA Glenn, (formerly NASA
Lewis),database documented in NASA TP-2002-211556 and at
http://www>.grc.nasa.gov/www/ceaweb>. This database has been maintained and
documented for almost 50 years by Ms. Bonnie Mcbride et al at NASA Glenn in
support of the NASA chemical equilibrium program CEA.


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Dear All,

If I try to do potental energy surface scan with
gaussian by using SCAN keyword, do I have use z-matrix
for the molecule specification.If the answer is not,
please could you sent to me an iput file sample which
can work. I used cartesian coordinates, but it gave
the error.
my input file:

#T HF/STO-3G Scan

testtext

0       1
Cartesian coordinates of molecule
 Variables:
2 1 4 111 s 3 20
7 6   1.0964 s 3 0.01


Thank you in advance,

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Hello,
I just wanted to add one more tool to the list of software that can be used
in viewing the results of docking.  Lithium is a Windows-based molecular
visualization and analysis tool.  In collaboration with Pfizer, Tripos has
developed a Lithium module called the Docking Surveyor, which allows
scientists to browse and evaluate the ligand-protein complexes generated
> from docking runs.  You can find more info on Lithium at www.tripos.com.
Thanks,
Ramesh

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Computational Chemistry List [mailto:chemistry-request@ccl.net]On
> Behalf Of amor san juan
> Sent: Thursday, August 08, 2002 8:56 AM
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> Summary of softwares replied in viewing docked output
> ligand+protein:
>
> 1) MidasPlus
> 2) VMD
> 3) Qmol
> 4) Pymol
> 5) SPDB
> 6) Viwer lite
> 7) Viwer Pro
>
> Added to those is  ADT.
>
>  Does anyone of those mentioned softwares capable of
> viewing simultaneously the docked ligand and
> protein(aside from ADT ofcourse). If there is what is
> the input file you used.
>
> Thanks,
> Amor




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Folks, does anybody have a converter which changes one type
of line notation into another? Daylight Smiles and Tripos SLN seem
to be two commonly-used line-notations (at least ones I'm familiar
with), and it would be nice if I can intercovert the two w/o drawing the
structure and translating it by hand...

Any ideas?

(thanks in advance!)

Joe Leonard
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