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Dear All,

I have downloaded ClustalX from 
ftp://ftp.ebi.ac.uk/pub/software/dos/clustalx for Windows. It works 
fine. My question is how can I generate a nice picture of the phylogenic 
tree calculated by Clustalx and stored in the file my_phylogenic_tree.ph ?

Thank you

Antoine


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Hi,

Thanks for the reply about my questions on the optimization of 
charged species in solution from Dr. John Mckelvey and Dr. 
Andreas Klamt. 
However, when I tried to optimize the charged molecules with PCM 
(DPCM) and CPCM (Cosmo), it seems the optimization nevers 
converges (oscillating). Before the PCM and CPCM calculation, the 
optimization of the same charged molecules converges very well on 
the gas phase and solution using Onsager model. Is there any 
comments on what keywords should I put in order to converge 
using PCM or CPCM models? During the 
CPCM optimization, I also got some warning message as follows:
.......
#b3lyp/6-31g(d,p) opt=readfc scrf=cpcm
.....
Warning: electronic charge 138 neglected
 Warning: electronic charge 148 neglected
 Warning: electronic charge 400 neglected
  Added Sphere     Between       RE            Surface
        17       15 and  4    1.28715          1.14982
        18       15 and 10    1.64526          2.70163
 ------------------------------------------------------
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     AT CONVERGENCE
  469 Tesserae over a maximum of 1500
  Surface Area (Ang**2) =  240.17308
  Volume       (Ang**3) =  251.83557
 Error on NUCLEAR pol.charges = 0.02780 Error on ELECTR. 
pol.charges 
=-0.04214 

...................
Warning: electronic charge 473 neglected
 Electronic charge 477 has a negative value:   -0.613816
 Hint: increase the number of tesserae or change the molecule 
orientation
 Warning: electronic charge 146 neglected
 Warning: electronic charge 151 neglected
 Warning: electronic charge 473 neglected
 Electronic charge 477 has a negative value:   -0.613816
 Hint: increase the number of tesserae or change the molecule 
orientation
  Added Sphere     Between       RE            Surface
        17       15 and 10    1.64067          3.21324
 ------------------------------------------------------
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
     AT CONVERGENCE
  477 Tesserae over a maximum of 1500
  Surface Area (Ang**2) =  240.46224
  Volume       (Ang**3) =  251.42256
 Error on NUCLEAR pol.charges = 0.01528 Error on ELECTR. 
pol.charges 
=-0.03025
 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Any comments?  Should I increase Tesserae points (I use the 
default, 60)? Many thanks.

Z. J. Wu
Department of Chemistry
Dalhousie University
Canada


>From: jmmckel@attglobal.net 
>Reply-To: jmmckel@attglobal.net 
>To: "Dr. Andreas Klamt" 
>CC: Zhijian Wu , chemistry@ccl.net 
>Subject: Re: CCL:solvation energy 
>Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 15:26:46 +0000 
> 
>In addition, a molecule with 0.0 dipole moment might not get 
solvated 
in a dipole model... charged or not, ... say 1,4 dioxane, or 
>1,4 diazine..certainly soluble in a lot of solvents... Also, one can 
disolve 
1gr of benzene per liter of water. 
> 
> 
>John McKelvey 
>"Dr. Andreas Klamt" wrote: 
> 
> > For a charged species the dipole moment is only defined if you 
specify an almost arbitrary reference point. Anyway, solvation 
> > energies for charged species mainly depend on the details of 
the 
charge distribution and they strongly depend on the shape of 
> > the cavity. Just forget about simple Onsager models. Use PCM 
or 
COSMO. 
> > 
> > Andreas Klamt 
> > 
> > Zhijian Wu schrieb: 
> > > 
> > > Hi, cclers, 
> > > 
> > > Does anyone know that for the charged speices (say, +1 and 
-1), 
how accurate of the Onsager Model (based on dipole moment) on 
> > > the solvation energy? 
> > > 
> > > Thank you very much for your help! 
> > > 
> > > Regards, 
> > > 
> > > Zhijian Wu 
>
> > Dr. Andreas Klamt 
> > COSMOlogic GmbH&CoKG 
> > Burscheider Str. 515 
> > 51381 Leverkusen, Germany 
> > 
> > Tel.: 49-2171-73168-1 Fax: ...-9 
> > e-mail: andreas.klamt@cosmologic.de 
> > web: www.cosmologic.de 
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
----------- 
> > COSMOlogic 
> > Your Competent Partner for 
> > Computational Chemistry and Fluid Thermodynamics 




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Hi Gregory and Dmitry,

Gregory Shamov wrote:

> > The main advantage of Gamess (Gaussian, Jaguar, Qchem, ...) over
> > NWChem is that Gamess, in general, is stable, and NWChem, in general,
> > is not.

I don't have experience with Gamess, but I have used Gaussian and NWChem
a lot. I have run NWChem on small and large machines, including Linux 
clusters, Suns, T3Es and SGIs, and I never experienced any stability problems. 

> >
> > And there are some minor disadvantages of NWChem. First, it slow. Very
> > slow. At single CPU it is about 2-4 times slower than Gamess. The
> > NWChem team says it is because NWChem is designed to be very
> > scalable code to use on hundreds and thousands CPUs. I believe it is
> > true, but for commonly used small clusters (8-16 CPUs) Gamess
> > outperforms NWChem.

It is true that NWChem is slower than Gaussian on a single processor. However,
the main advantage of NWChem is its, indeed, excellent scalability, and
that holds for small as well as large clusters, for shared-memory as well
as distributed-memory machines. In addition, because of its distributed
data approach, it can handle larger calculations on parallel machines where
programs that use a replicated-data approach are limited by the memory per
processor (like Gaussian or Q-Chem).

> >
> > Moreover, NWChem (at least in some cases) running on the small cluster
> > (say, 8 CPUs) gives no normal speedup painting! I.e., wall times for
> > the same task are not smoothly decreasing with increasing CPU number,
> > but are changing randomly. Perhaps in the case on 1000 CPUs cluster

This is very strange, because I don't see that behaviour. I get very nice
speedups with NWChem, on small as well as larger clusters. Running on 2
or 4 nodes, I generally get speedups of close to 2 and 4 on different
architectures (that's for running ab initio - like SCF and MP2 -
calculations). Even on Linux clusters connected by only fast ethernet 
I get speedups of 6.65 for running on 4 dual processors. With Gaussian, 
I can only run parallel within a dual processor box of my Linux cluster 
(because I don't have Linda), and I do not always get any speedup, as 
only part of Gaussian is parallelised. On the T3E, I could only use NWChem 
as I failed to run large (128-256-processor) calculations with Gaussian 
(because of the memory limitation).  Thus, in general I use Gaussian for 
single-processor calculations, and NWChem for parallel calculations. 

> > +\- 8 CPUs means nothing, aha, aha, but for small cluster every CPU
> > means a lot. :-) The same task calculated with Gamess on the same
> > cluster scales properly.
> >
> > There are a lot of methods implemented in NWChem: DFT, CCSD, CPMD,
> > classical MD, etc. But DFT (both grid-based and grid-free) and CCSD
> > methods are implemented in the latest versions of Gamess too, it is
> > possible to integrate Tinker with Gamess to do QM\MM and MD
> > calculations, and there is standalone free and cool CPMD program.
> >
> > So i think you better use these codes unless you have 1000CPUs
> > cluster.

As I mentioned above, as I do not have any experience with Gamess, I cannot 
comment on its performance on small clusters, but in my experience NWChem 
does scale very nicely on these machines.  In addition, the online manual 
(http://www.emsl.pnl.gov:2080/docs/nwchem/nwchem.html) is searchable, which
I find very helpful, and although it doesn't have official support, the 
authors are very responsive to questions and problems on the nwchem mailing 
list. Thus, if you experience serious problems with NWChem, it may be 
worthwhile trying to get some feedback.

Best wishes,

Tanja
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On 4 Nov 2002 at 10:25, Antoine Logean wrote:

> I have downloaded ClustalX from 
> ftp://ftp.ebi.ac.uk/pub/software/dos/clustalx for Windows. It works 
> fine. My question is how can I generate a nice picture of the phylogenic 
> tree calculated by Clustalx and stored in the file my_phylogenic_tree.ph ?

You need TreeDraw (or something similar). There's a tutorial that should 
provide all the information that you need:

	http://virgil.ruc.dk/kurser/Sekvens/Treedraw.htm

Nick Rhodes

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Hello Dmitry,

Sunday, November 3, 2002, 3:09:16 AM, you wrote:

DR> Hi.

DR> Does anybody use NVChem?

I have tryed to use NWChem 4.0 and 4.01.

DR> Does it have any advantages over Gamess-US? 

NO.

The main advantage of Gamess (Gaussian, Jaguar, Qchem, ...) over
NWChem is that Gamess, in general, is stable, and NWChem, in general,
is not. 

And there are some minor disadvantages of NWChem. First, it slow. Very
slow. At single CPU it is about 2-4 times slower than Gamess. The
NWChem team says it is because NWChem is designed to be very
scalable code to use on hundreds and thousands CPUs. I believe it is
true, but for commonly used small clusters (8-16 CPUs) Gamess
outperforms NWChem.

Moreover, NWChem (at least in some cases) running on the small cluster
(say, 8 CPUs) gives no normal speedup painting! I.e., wall times for
the same task are not smoothly decreasing with increasing CPU number,
but are changing randomly. Perhaps in the case on 1000 CPUs cluster
+\- 8 CPUs means nothing, aha, aha, but for small cluster every CPU
means a lot. :-) The same task calculated with Gamess on the same
cluster scales properly.

There are a lot of methods implemented in NWChem: DFT, CCSD, CPMD,
classical MD, etc. But DFT (both grid-based and grid-free) and CCSD
methods are implemented in the latest versions of Gamess too, it is
possible to integrate Tinker with Gamess to do QM\MM and MD
calculations, and there is standalone free and cool CPMD program.

So i think you better use these codes unless you have 1000CPUs
cluster.

-- 
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Thanks to everyone who replied. It looks like the oldest reference to 
the 1/n dependence of excitation energies in conjugated hydrocarbons is:
 H. Kuhn, A Quantum-mechanical Theory of Light Absorption of Organic 
Dyes And Similar Compounds, J. Chem. Phys. 1949, 17, 1198-1212.
I have not yet read the article because I need to find a library in 
Turkey that has the back issues of  J. Chem. Phys., but from the e-mails 
I gather that the relationship was derived for the particle in a box model.
Regards,
Ulrike Salzner




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One should point out, and the manual does as well, that since NWChem
passes a significant amount of data around, you will need faster than
100Mb/s ethernet for most portions of the code to run efficiently in
parallel.

On the other hand, we use GAMESS-US, and it's scaling is excellent on 4-16
node clusters interconnected by fast ethernet (100mb/s) for most of the
common portions of the code.  Analytical gradients are still not well
parallelized, but numeric ones are.

						-Fred

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On Monday, November 4, 2002, at 05:22  AM, Ulrike Salzner wrote:

> H. Kuhn, A Quantum-mechanical Theory of Light Absorption of Organic 
> Dyes And Similar Compounds, J. Chem. Phys. 1949, 17, 1198-1212.
> I have not yet read the article because I need to find a library in 
> Turkey that has the back issues of  J. Chem. Phys., but from the 
> e-mails I gather that the relationship was derived for the particle in 
> a box model.

It's a "nearly free electron" model. It scales ~1/N because N is the 
number of monomer units--so when you add length, you also add electrons. 
But a completely free electron model (particle in a box) would have zero 
bandgap.

So Kuhn applied a periodic potential, which recovers the Peierls 
distortion: the potential is lower at the double bonds and higher at the 
single bonds. The bandgap appears as the magnitude of the potential and 
you have an additional term.

I find that the 1/N fit is better at small lengths because the bond 
lengths are still changing slightly due to delocalization. In the 
polyacetylenes, which I haven't studied, Kertesz argued in an article in 
1998 in J. Chem. Phys. that there's something like a phase transition at 
longer lengths, changing bond lengths to a more delocalized form, but 
1/N keeps up.

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On Wednesday, October 30, 2002, at 03:36  AM, Jens Spanget-Larsen wrote:

> I agree with John. - If you are willing to spend more CPU time, you
> may consider time-dependent density functional theory, f.inst. at
> the TD-B3LYP/6-31G* level. Juergen Fabian recently published a survey
> of electronic transitions predicted with TD-B3LYP, ZINDO, and PPP for
> a large number of sulfur-organic compounds -

I hate to beat a dead horse, but I'd agree as well. I recently published 
an independent survey of conjugated oligomers like oligothiophenes, 
oligopyrroles, oligofurans, etc., comparing AM1 and DFT geometries and 
ZINDO/CIS, ZINDO/RPA, HF/CIS, HF/RPA, full TDDFT and the Tamm-Dancoff 
approximate TDDFT (TDDFT/CIS).

It just came out in J. Phys. Chem. A.

The moral of the story? Definitely use DFT geometries. For the 
electronic structure, ZINDO/CIS seems to be quite accurate for uncharged 
species (as most of us knew anyway). But full TDDFT is excellent if you 
have the time and seems much more reliable.

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Hy everybody,
I need to run a quick pharmacophore screening (identifying features =
regardless for conformational aspects) of a dataset made of 250 mols =
(actives and inactives).
Is anybody aware of free software aimed at doing that?

thanks
orazio

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