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Hi Noel

Before carrying out a frequency calc it is essential that you have optimised
the geometry at the same level of theory. Therefore you can start with
either your crystal structure or your previously optimised structure.

Regards

Roma
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> Hello CCLers,
> I intend to carry out DFT calculations on inorganic complexes. In
> some cases
> I have crystal structures available.
>
> Is it better to use crystal structures as a starting point for energy and
> frequency calculations, or to use DFT-optimised structures?
> (where the DFT-optimised
> structure is in excellent agreement with the crystal structure)
>
> Thanks,
> Noel O'Boyle
> Han Vos Research Group,
> Dublin City University.
>
>

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Good Morning!

I set up a CCSD(T) single-point energy calc with G98, but did not 
allocate enough wall-clock time, and the job was terminated at the 17th 
iteration of the CCSD portion:

  Iteration Nr.  17
  **********************
  Singles A-vector converged to   5.0316673D-06
  Singles A-vector converged to   1.0738713D-05
  The Euclidean norm of the A-vectors is   2.1184504D-05
  The Euclidean norm of the A-vectors is   3.4549371D-05
  The Euclidean norm of the A-vectors is   1.5473974D-04
  RLE energy=       -0.6473577697
  DE(CORR)= -0.64735733D+00        E(CORR)=    -0.15785476749D+03
  NORM(A)=   0.11213281D+01

I saved the chk file, and *thought* I should be able to resubmit the job 
with a RESTART keyword, but I could not find an acceptable syntax.

My original route card is as follows:

  #P uccsd(t)/6-311+g(d,p) Geom=allcheck guess=(read,mix)

Should including RESTART in the route have worked? Or perhaps adding 
Guess=(...,RESTART) - or perhpas both? Thanks for your help.

Bob Swofford

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2003 July 23

Hello,

It is probably not a good idea to use experimental geometries for freq calc's, because
freq calc's are strictly valid only at the geometry obtained by the same method as the
freq calc. Thus a B3LYP/6-31G* freq calc should be done on a geometry obtained by a
B3LYP/6-31G* optimization. Since your freq jobs are likely to be about as long or longer
than any geom optimizations, you probably won't lose very much time by doing the
optimizations first.
Another problem with crystal structures is that they may differ significantly from the
isolated molecule structures that I presume you will use for your freq jobs (you won't
use a crystal lattice as input, I guess); but you took account of this by saying "where
the DFT...is in excellent agreement..."
It would be interesting to do some freq calc's on both DFT-opt and experimental
structures and see how much they differ. But conventional wisdom is that the DFT-opt
structures are the ones to use.

If you didn't want freqs, just relative energies of isomers, you could do single-point
calculations (much faster than optimizations) on the experimental structures. Again, it
might be interesting to compare relative energies based on the experimental and the
DFT-opt structures.

E. Lewars
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noel.oboyle2/at/mail.dcu.ie wrote:

> Hello CCLers,
> I intend to carry out DFT calculations on inorganic complexes. In some cases
> I have crystal structures available.
>
> Is it better to use crystal structures as a starting point for energy and
> frequency calculations, or to use DFT-optimised structures? (where the DFT-optimised
> structure is in excellent agreement with the crystal structure)
>
> Thanks,
> Noel O'Boyle
> Han Vos Research Group,
> Dublin City University.
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For doing frequency calculations, you will want to use the DFT
optimized structures, as the calculation won't be very meaningful
otherwise.  You should only be calculating frequencies at a minimum.

If your DFT structures are in excellent agreement with your crystal
structures, you are probably better off using the DFT optimized
structures for energy comparisons as well.  Of course, if in certain
cases your DFT optimized structures were fundamentally different from
the crystal structures, the DFT energy comparison might not make much
sense if you are trying to examine the energetic differences between
your (crystal) samples.

  Hope that helps  -  John

On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 noel.oboyle2/at/mail.dcu.ie wrote:

> Hello CCLers,
> I intend to carry out DFT calculations on inorganic complexes. In some cases
> I have crystal structures available.
> 
> Is it better to use crystal structures as a starting point for energy
> and frequency calculations, or to use DFT-optimised structures? (where
> the DFT-optimised structure is in excellent agreement with the crystal
> structure)
> 
> Thanks,
> Noel O'Boyle
> Han Vos Research Group,
> Dublin City University.
> 
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   I am trying to open a mol2 file of a ligand using swiss-pdb viewer.
 Somehow it is showing only one atom. My mol2 file came from a DOCK
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Dear Noel

>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 noel.oboyle2[at]mail.dcu.ie wrote:
>
>=20 > Hello CCLers,
>=20 > I intend to carry out DFT calculations on inorganic complexes. In=20
>some cases
>=20 > I have crystal structures available.
>=20 >
>=20 > Is it better to use crystal structures as a starting point for energy
>=20 > and frequency calculations, or to use DFT-optimised structures? (wher=
e
>=20 > the DFT-optimised structure is in excellent agreement with the crysta=
l
>=20 > structure)

There have been some papers -- eg by Buntine at University of Adelaide
and one by my co-workers -- in which the difference between
the energies of the (optimised) gas-phase structures
and those of the crystal structures are interpreted as crystal
packing energy costs.

eg:
J. Beckmann, K. Jurkschat, M. Sch=FCrmann, D. Dakternieks, A. E. K. Lim=20
and K. F. Lim, "Comparison of the flexibility of eight-membered=20
tetrasiloxane and stannasiloxane rings: A crystallographic and=20
computational study", Organometallics, 2001, 20 (24), 5125-5133=20
<http://pubs3.acs.org/acs/journals/doilookup?in_doi=3D10.1021/om010620o>=20
=2E

Kieran

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=20 Dr Kieran F Lim              Biol. and Chemical Sciences
=20   (Lim Pak Kwan)             Deakin University
=20 ph:  + [61] (3) 5227-2146    Geelong          VIC   3217
=20 fax: + [61] (3) 5227-1040    AUSTRALIA
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Dear Noel


<excerpt>On Wed, 23 Jul 2003 noel.oboyle2[at]mail.dcu.ie wrote:


> Hello CCLers,

> I intend to carry out DFT calculations on inorganic complexes. In
some cases

> I have crystal structures available.

>=20

> Is it better to use crystal structures as a starting point for
energy

> and frequency calculations, or to use DFT-optimised structures?
(where

> the DFT-optimised structure is in excellent agreement with the
crystal

> structure)

</excerpt>

There have been some papers -- eg by Buntine at University of Adelaide

and one by my co-workers -- in which the difference between=20

the energies of the (optimised) gas-phase structures

and those of the crystal structures are interpreted as crystal

packing energy costs.


eg:

<fontfamily><param>Geneva</param><bigger>J. Beckmann, K. Jurkschat, M.
Sch=FCrmann, D. Dakternieks, A. E. K. Lim and K. F. Lim, "Comparison of
the flexibility of eight-membered tetrasiloxane and stannasiloxane
rings: A crystallographic and computational study",
<italic>Organometallics, </italic>2001,<bold> 20</bold> (24), 5125-5133
</bigger><<http://pubs3.acs.org/acs/journals/doilookup?in_doi=3D10.1021/om01=
0620o><bigger>.


</bigger></fontfamily>Kieran

------------------------------------------------------------

 Dr Kieran F Lim              Biol. and Chemical Sciences  =20

   (Lim Pak Kwan)             Deakin University            =20

 ph:  + [61] (3) 5227-2146    Geelong          VIC   3217  =20

 fax: + [61] (3) 5227-1040    AUSTRALIA                     =20

 mobile phone: 0438 350 259 (within Australia)             =20

 mailto:lim[at]deakin.edu.au     http://www.deakin.edu.au/~lim=20

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Dear CCLers,

I am little confused after I saw "Docking Task Flowchart". It is said before
"Grid" we need to add hydrogens, How about before "MS"? If hydrogens are not
there, the molecular surface is not correct. So we need to add hydrogens
before "ms" or "dms", am I correct?

The surface we get from "showsphere", what is its' format? How can we "SEE"
it? Is it different with connolly surface?

Thank you for your attention and have a good day,

William

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There is a program which will do it for you automatically. Please
check

www.obbligato.com/software/aomix/

It will process both Jaguar and Gaussian 98/03 output files.

 

Quoting Rick Muller <rmuller[at]sandia.gov>:

> You need to multiply by the elements of the overlap matrix. For
> orbital  
> index i and basis function indices a and b:
> 
> 1 = Sum_ab c_ia*S_ab*c_ib
> 
> R.
> On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, at 09:22  PM, Diego Venegas-Yazigi wrote:
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From: Robert Swofford <swofford[at]wfu.edu>
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Thanks to several who suggested adding SCF=RESTART to the route. 
Unfortunately, G98 does not just pick up a CCDS(T) single-point energy 
where it left off. The final lines of the logfile are:

  (Enter /opt/gaussian98-a.11.4/g98/l401.exe)
  SCF N**3 symmetry information disabled.
  Initial guess natural orbitals from previous density.
  Error retrieving densities from rwf 20603 LenDen=     22052 but 
Length=     11027.
  Error termination via Lnk1e in /opt/gaussian98-a.11.4/g98/l401.exe.
  Job cpu time:  0 days  0 hours  0 minutes  6.6 seconds.
  File lengths (MBytes):  RWF=    6 Int=    0 D2E=    0 Chk=    7 Scr=   1

So just having the .chk file is not enough. The impression is that a 
restart of such a single-point energy calc *might* work if all the rwf 
files were still available (all 11Gb of them!), but alas, the job script 
politely cleans up after itself and deletes those.

The only solution I could come up with was just to run the job again, 
using the .chk from the stopped job. The new job then had to run through 
all 25-30 iterations of CCSD(T) calc again. Oh, well.

Bob
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