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Hi, Rick,

Would you mind I ask you a question about the relationship between 1-4
interaction and the NPHI, the number of dihedrals in the psf file? I have
a very simple peptide system composed of 5 residues without using periodic
boundary condition. From the psf file, I know that 210 !NPHI. I check
that all the 210 dihidrals in the psf file are unique, i.e, their is no
case like A-B-C-D, and A-e-f-D, or D-g-h-A in the dihedral part. Here, I
use A, B, C, and D to denote the number of atoms, like 12 14 17 19 in the
dihedral part of the psf file, etc. Hence, I think the
number of 1-4 interactions should be equal to 210 when the nonbonded
interaction is calculated. However, from the output of CHARMm,
it says "with mode 5 found 230 exclusions and 205 interactions(1-4)".
Obviously, 205 is less than 210. What is wrong with my thought?

By the way, if I use the periodic boundary condition, what does that mean
for 1-4 interaction? For eample, if I have A-B-C-D in the primary box and
A'-B'-C'-D' in one of the image cells, how the 1-4 interaction is
calculated if distance of AD' is less than AD? I think, in this case,
CHARMm will neglect AD interaction, but consider AD' interaction. If AD'
is calculated, CHARMm use 1-4 VDW parameters or other VDW parameters?

I am sorry to ask you this question. I have posted this question in the
CHARMm bbs but without reply.

Thanks very much for your help,

Wei Shi


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>2004 July 8
>
>The rate of formation of products Pa and Pb from quickly interconverting
>conformers Ca and Cb is treated with the the Curtin/Hammett and
>Winstein-Holness equations (the Curtin-Hammett principle, in particular,
>is well-known): J. I Seeman, Chem Rev, 1983, 83, 83; E. L. Eliel, "From
>Cologne to Chapel Hill", ACS, 1990, pp. 31-33.
>
>Question: has anyone a reference to a discussion of the case of rapidly
>interconverting conformers Ca and Cb, where Ca, although the minor
>conformer, is the only one that can react with X to form a product CaX,
>through transition state Ta; intuition aside, has someone explicitly
>addressed whether the _experimental_ activation E is measuring the Ta-Ca
>energy difference, or the Ta-Cb difference?

	Provided that the interconversion is fast relative to the 
final reaction, the free energy of activation should be relative to 
the ensemble energy (which is slightly lower than the lowest of Ca 
and Cb).  The apparent activation energy is taken from an expression 
where you consider the total concentration of reactant.  The sole 
effect of the pre-equilibrium is to make the effective concentration 
lower, with a concominant lowering of the rate which corresponds 
exactly to the free energy difference between the reacting conformer 
and the free energy of the ensemble.  You can get the latter by 
assuming a virtual species corresponding to the total concentration 
of the reagent, and use the standard Boltzmann expression.

	The above wasn't perfectly clear (I haven't digested my 
coffee yet), but it should be correct.  The math is available in the 
Ph.D. Thesis of Torben Rasmussen (Copenhagen 2001), and he took much 
of it from H Maskil, "The Physical Basis of Organic Chemistry", 
Oxford 1985.

	/Per-Ola
-- 
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Technical University of Denmark, Department of Chemistry
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The following is a somewhat general philosophical question.
I would very much appreciate the comments of computational chemists.

In the philosophy of chemistry literature much has been made of the 
fact that molecular structure cannot be strictly deduced from QM.  I 
am referring to the work of Guy Wooley in the UK and Hans Primas at 
the ETH.

The basis of this claim is that structure comes after applying the 
Born-Oppenheimer approximation to fix the nuclei.  These authors 
claim that in this sense molecular structure has not been "reduced" 
to QM.

They point to the fact that the Hamiltonians for two isomers of an 
organic compound, for example, are identical in the absence of the 
B-O approximation and they conclude that a strictly QM calculation 
cannot therefore distinguish between the two structures in question.

I would be happy to pull some references together for anyone 
interested in studying the original articles.  But I just wanted to 
hear some general reactions to such claims.




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Dear All,

Does anyone know of a efficient docking freeware that can be used for a
rapid drug screening library. I am using AutoDock currently but
unfortunately I am not very comfortable with it for a rapid screen.

Any clues??

Thanks

Jaya



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Dear all,

I am new to CHARMM and I hope that you can give me some ideas of the following
questions.
1) Do anyone know how to print out the coordinate file and restart file at
different time intervals during a MD similation? Is that possible by modifying
the .inp file?
2) How can I suppress the print of those files, such as .vel .ene, which I
cannot read?

Thanks for you help in advance.

Regards
Larry



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Hi,

Can someone provide me with the 3-D structure file(.pdb format) for my
studies?  I will be thankful for it.

Jaya



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 Carsten,

Thanks a lot!!

Jaya

-----Original Message-----
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To: Pandey, Jaya
Sent: 7/9/04 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: ADL: VLS using AutoDock

it is free for academics. you have to contact them and then fill in a 
license agreement. they dont support the academic verison, but the 
documentation is not too bad.


Pandey, Jaya wrote:

>  Hi Carsten
> 
> I was checking the website, seems the docking tool is not a freeware
and the
> prices are quite high for me to think about. If you have any ways to
get it
> free please let me know.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jaya
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Carsten Detering
> To: Pandey, Jaya
> Sent: 7/9/04 1:11 PM
> Subject: Re: ADL: VLS using AutoDock
> 
> Pandey,
> 
> you can use a foreach loop to dock a library. Just write out every 
> ligand in a single mol2/pdbq file, and setup a gpf file that contains 
> every ligand atom type. Then use the foreach loop to create a dpf file

> for every ligand, which in turn you can dock using the foreach loop
> again.
> Concerning your other question in the CCl:
> If you are in an academic setting, check out openeye software 
> (www.eyesopen.com). THey have a very fast docking machine.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
> Carsten
> 
> Pandey, Jaya wrote:
> 
> 
>>Dear All,
>>
>>Can someone help me to understand if there is any possibility of
> 
> loading the
> 
>>whole library of small molecules and use the AutoDock for screening.
> 
> Any
> 
>>help is appreciated.
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>Jaya
>>
>>________________________________________________
>>--- ADL: AutoDock List  ---
> 
> http://www.scripps.edu/pub/olson-web/doc/autodock/ ---
> 



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 Carsten,

I appreciate your quick repsonse. I will try it and get back to you in case
of any difficulty.

Thanks again,

Jaya



-----Original Message-----
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To: Pandey, Jaya
Sent: 7/9/04 1:11 PM
Subject: Re: ADL: VLS using AutoDock

Pandey,

you can use a foreach loop to dock a library. Just write out every 
ligand in a single mol2/pdbq file, and setup a gpf file that contains 
every ligand atom type. Then use the foreach loop to create a dpf file 
for every ligand, which in turn you can dock using the foreach loop
again.
Concerning your other question in the CCl:
If you are in an academic setting, check out openeye software 
(www.eyesopen.com). THey have a very fast docking machine.

Hope this helps.

Carsten

Pandey, Jaya wrote:

> Dear All,
> 
> Can someone help me to understand if there is any possibility of
loading the
> whole library of small molecules and use the AutoDock for screening.
Any
> help is appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Jaya
> 
> ________________________________________________
> --- ADL: AutoDock List  ---
http://www.scripps.edu/pub/olson-web/doc/autodock/ ---



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Soon....ArgusLab 4.0   I'm preparing results for a poster at the ACS and
will release the code shortly thereafter.  It supports both interactive
docking and database screens (sdf file format for the ligand database).

Here are some typical timings for interactive dockings on a 2.4 GHz pentium
laptop.

Target	Ligand	    Torsions    Time (sec)
--------------------------------------------------
1HPV	      VX478	           14	    21
1ADB	      CNAD	           11 	    14
1HVR	      XK263	           8	    16
4DFR	      Methotrexate     9	     3
1IEP	      Gleevec	     7	    11
1CBX	      Benzylsuccinate  5	     5
1STP	      Biotin	     5	     3
3PTB	      Benzamidine	     0	     1


Mark

***************************
Mark Thompson
Planaria
PO Box 55207
Seattle, WA  98155

mark<<at>>arguslab.com
http://www.arguslab.com
***************************

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Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 12:00 PM
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Subject: CCL:Docking tool


Dear All,

Does anyone know of a efficient docking freeware that can be used for a
rapid drug screening library. I am using AutoDock currently but
unfortunately I am not very comfortable with it for a rapid screen.

Any clues??

Thanks

Jaya



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From: Rick Venable <rvenable=at=pollux.cber.nih.gov>
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Reminder: try the CHARMM Forums at www.charmm.org for questions about
using academic CHARMM.

(Questions about using the commercial CHARMm product via Quanta or
InSight should be directed to Accelrys).


On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 h9807907=at=hkusua.hku.hk wrote:
> I am new to CHARMM and I hope that you can give me some ideas of the following
> questions.
> 1) Do anyone know how to print out the coordinate file and restart file at
> different time intervals during a MD similation? Is that possible by modifying
> the .inp file?

The coordinates are saved in the trajectory file indicated by IUNCRD
every NSAVC integration steps; change NSAVC to change the frequency for
saving coordinate sets.

By default, the restart file is only written once, at the end of the
run; for modern computer systems with low failure rates, this is the
preferred method.  The ISVFRQ option of DYNAmics can be used to write
the restart file (to the unit specified by IUNWRI) more often.

> 2) How can I suppress the print of those files, such as .vel .ene, which I
> cannot read?

Don't open the files and assign unit numbers, and don't specify a
frequency (in integration steps) for these, i.e. the DYNAmics command
would include

	IUNVEL -1 NSAVV 0  KUNIT -1

The .ene file should be readable, just not easily understood.


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Subject: get-dockings command in autodock problems
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Upon giving this command, I get the following error:
 
Sed: can't open fixatomnames.sed  (can't find file or directory)
 
The file is in the same folder that the 'get-dockings' command is in, so
I'm not sure how it can 'not find' the file.  Also, the prepare command
mentioned in the autodock manual doesn't seem to exist in my
distribution.  Prepare-gpf+dpf works fine, but 'prepare m s' where m is
macro and s substrate doesn't seem to be on my computer.  Job3 gives the
error:
 
Autodock_uti:  undefined variable
 
While job gives:
 
Autodock_root:  undefined variable
 
Unfortunately, I have no real experience with linux and am not sure how
to fix these problems.  I tried the "setenv. " and "set path=$path
$autodock_uti" as mentioned in the manual, but I don't even know if that
has anything to do with the problems I'm experiencing now.  I'm running
cygwin on windows xp in case that's pertinent.  Thanks for the help in
advance.
 
Will
University of South Florida
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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error:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DSpellE><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
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t
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>: can&#8217;t
open <span class=3DSpellE><span =
class=3DGramE>fixatomnames.sed</span></span><span
class=3DGramE><span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span>(</span>can&#8217;t
find file or directory)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The file is in the same folder that the =
&#8216;get-dockings&#8217;
command is in, so I&#8217;m not sure how it can &#8216;not find&#8217; =
the
file.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Also, the prepare =
command
mentioned in the <span class=3DSpellE>autodock</span> manual =
doesn&#8217;t seem
to exist in my distribution.<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; =
</span>Prepare-<span
class=3DSpellE>gpf+dpf</span> works fine, but &#8216;prepare m s&#8217; =
where m
is macro and s substrate doesn&#8217;t seem to be on my computer.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Job3 gives the =
error:<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3DSpellE><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Autodock_uti</span></font></=
span><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>:<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>undefined =
variable<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Autodock_root</span></font><=
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size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>:<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>undefined =
variable<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Unfortunately, I have no real experience with <span
class=3DSpellE>linux</span> and am not sure how to fix these =
problems.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I tried the &#8220;<span =
class=3DSpellE>setenv</span>&#8230;
<span class=3DGramE>&#8220; and</span> &#8220;set path=3D$path $<span =
class=3DSpellE>autodock_uti</span>&#8221;
as mentioned in the manual, but I don&#8217;t even know if that has =
anything to
do with the problems I&#8217;m experiencing now.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>I&#8217;m running <span =
class=3DSpellE>cygwin</span>
on windows <span class=3DSpellE>xp</span> in case that&#8217;s =
pertinent.<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>&nbsp; </span>Thanks for the help in =
advance.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Will<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:place><st1:City><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
  style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>University of =
South</span></font></st1:City><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'> =
</span></font><st1:State><font
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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Florida</span></font></st1:S=
tate></st1:place><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p=
>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Department of Chemistry and =
Biochemistry<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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