From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon May 2 01:45:00 2011 From: "Bhargav Trivedi bhargavatrivedi/./gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: To begin with computational chemistry: Clarification Message-Id: <-44513-110502014156-21822-20ZFsZ8JWxBspU+TVmxpGA a server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Bhargav Trivedi Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=90e6ba6e8a54ab23cd04a2447a92 Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 11:11:46 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Bhargav Trivedi [bhargavatrivedi() gmail.com] --90e6ba6e8a54ab23cd04a2447a92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In response to my request to ccl subscribers, Deepangi Pandit suggested me a link to an e-book written by Prof. Cramer. I also found the same link on google search. As it is available on the web, it is very difficult to decide whether it is pirated or has a permission. In that sense, it is very unfortunate to conclude that she tried to steal the material. On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Deepangi Pandit Deepangi.Pandit_-_gmail.com wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Deepangi Pandit" [Deepangi.Pandit!=!gmail.com] > I would like to clarify to the CCL list that I did not know that the online > version of the textbook was made available without permission of the > Author/Publisher. Google search provided that link. There are many examples > were others books are made available online with proper authorization. My > intention was only to help the person who asked the question. > > Thank you. > > Regards, > Deepa> > > --90e6ba6e8a54ab23cd04a2447a92 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In response to my request to ccl subscribers, Deepangi Pandit suggested me = a link to an e-book written by Prof. Cramer. I also found the same link on = google search. As it is available on the web, it is very difficult to decid= e whether it is pirated or has a permission. In that sense, it is very unfo= rtunate to conclude that she tried to steal the material.

On Sun, May 1, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Deepangi Pan= dit Deepangi.Pandit_-_gmail.= com <ow= ner-chemistry-$-ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Deepangi =A0Pandit" [Deepangi.Pandit!=3D!gmail.com]
I would like to clarify to the CCL list that I did not know that the online= version of the textbook was made available without permission of the Autho= r/Publisher. Google search provided that link. There are many examples were= others books are made available online with proper authorization. My inten= tion was only to help the person who asked the question.

Thank you.

Regards,
Deepa



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--90e6ba6e8a54ab23cd04a2447a92-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon May 2 14:52:00 2011 From: "Jim Kress ccl_nospam++kressworks.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: To begin with computational chemistry Message-Id: <-44514-110502134820-31406-9zUnCXGfQDLavvFBqBypyA() server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Jim Kress" Content-Language: en-us Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004A_01CC08CF.8DA82040" Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 13:48:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Jim Kress" [ccl_nospam(0)kressworks.com] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CC08CF.8DA82040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit There is no justification for theft. Jim Kress > From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com\a/ccl.net [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com\a/ccl.net] On Behalf Of David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM To: Kress, Jim Subject: CCL: To begin with computational chemistry Chris, as a newbie to computational chemistry, I try to use every resource that I can get hold of. I have to admit that I sometimes pirate electronic copies to help me search texts which are often long and complicated. A recent point relevant to this issue is Jacob Israelachvili's "Intermolecular and surface forces", 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a black hole known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated online copy of this essential text. I later bought a second-hand hard copy, while awaiting the appearance of the 3rd Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but came out in 2011. I have read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and have returned to it in order to refresh my memory many times. After talking to Jacob Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the 3rd edition to press and told me when it would be available. Within a week of it coming off the presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out of my own pocket. The new edition is several hundred pages longer than the previous copy and an electronic version would be useful to me. It is a beautifully written masterpiece in my opinion. However, many publishers are slow in their move into the electronic realm. This is where the future lies. My job ends here on June 30th, 2011, but I still have responsibilities for writing up papers for a student. I will not have access to online library facilities here because of local University policy. Despite this, I would still be willing to buy a new edition of your book to help with my calculations on my Linux box. I would do this out of my own pocket if need be. As I see it, one of the main purposes of text books is to put all of the knowledge in a certain area in one place for ease of reference. I think that this is very valuable for those of us who do research and those who teach. Putting together a new edition of your book would be recognized as a valuable contribution by people in this scientific area, but rather than be pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to make an electronic copy available for sale at 50% of the price of the softcover. A university could either buy a yearly site license for distribution to students at a lower price, or the institution could host a copy which could be read online, but not downloaded. There will always be people who want to get something for nothing and who are willing to remove the encryption on electronic media, the simplest solution is to make the text available at a lower cost for academic use and make some money rather than none. You should be talking to your publisher about this policy, as it will help their bottom line and your standard of living in your retirement!! So cheer up and realize that old dogs, like myself, would rather sit on a sun lounger on my back porch reading your new edition, than sitting at a computer screen in the lab or in my study! David Mannock On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cramer cramer+/-umn.edu wrote: Sent to CCL by: Christopher Cramer [cramer-$-umn.edu] My... The least you can do if you're going to steal the book, and post it online for piracy, is choose a later printing -- then people won't have to refer to so many errata. Now I recall why I've been reluctant to devote the time to a 3rd edition... CJC On Apr 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/gmail.com wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: Deepangi Pandit [deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com] > Hi Bhargav: > You can refer "Essentials of Computational Chemistry: Theories and > Models" by Christopher J. Cramer > > http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20of%20Computational%20 Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20Christopher%20J.%20Crame r.pdf > > ShortURL > > http://alturl.com/jks5j > > Also please feel free to browse > > http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/IntroCompChem.pdf > > I believe these are good starting points and based on your interests > you can explore the topic/s further. > > Regards, > Deepa > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Bhargav Trivedi > bhargavatrivedi*|*gmail.com wrote: >> >> Sent to CCL by: "Bhargav Trivedi" [bhargavatrivedi[-]gmail.com] >> Dear all, >> I would like to learn computational chemistry. Please tell me how can I prepare for it. >> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical chemistry & an academician since last 16 years. I teach thermodynamics and electrochemistry to under graduates. >> Thanks a lot: >> Dr. Bhargav Trivedi, >> Associate Professor of Chemistry, >> J & J College of science, >> Nadiad, Gujarat. >> India> > -- Christopher J. Cramer Elmore H. Northey Professor University of Minnesota Department of Chemistry 207 Pleasant St. SE Minneapolis, MN 55455-0431 -------------------------- Phone: (612) 624-0859 || FAX: (612) 626-7541 Mobile: (952) 297-2575 email: cramer,+,umn.edu jabber: cramer,+,jabber.umn.edu http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/~cramer (website includes information about the textbook "Essentials of Computational Chemistry: Theories and Models, 2nd Edition")

There is no justification for theft.

 

Jim Kress

 

From:= = owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com\a/ccl.net = [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com\a/ccl.net] On = Behalf Of David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca
Sent: = Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM
To: Kress, Jim =
Subject: CCL: To begin with computational = chemistry

 

Chris, as a newbie to computational = chemistry, I try to use every resource that I can get hold of. I have to = admit that I sometimes pirate electronic copies to help me search texts = which are often long and complicated. A recent point relevant to this = issue is Jacob Israelachvili's "Intermolecular and surface = forces", 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a black hole = known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated online copy of this = essential text. I later bought a second-hand hard copy, while awaiting = the appearance of the 3rd Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but = came out in 2011. I have read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and = have returned to it in order to refresh my memory many times. After = talking to Jacob Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the = 3rd edition to press and told me when it would be available. Within a = week of it coming off the presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out = of my own pocket. The new edition is several hundred pages longer than = the previous copy and an electronic version would be useful to me. It is = a beautifully written masterpiece in my opinion. However, many = publishers are slow in their move into the electronic realm. This is = where the future lies.

My job ends here on June 30th, 2011, but I = still have responsibilities for writing up papers for a student. I will = not have access to online library facilities here because of local = University policy. Despite this, I would still be willing to buy a new = edition of your book to help with my calculations on my Linux box. I = would do this out of my own pocket if need be.

As I see it, one = of the main purposes of text books is to put all of the knowledge in a = certain area in one place for ease of reference. I think that this is = very valuable for those of us who do research and those who teach. = Putting together a new edition of your book would be recognized as a = valuable contribution by people in this scientific area, but rather than = be pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to make an electronic = copy available for sale at 50% of the price of the softcover. A = university could either buy a yearly site license for distribution to = students at a lower price, or the institution could host a copy which = could be read online, but not downloaded. There will always be people = who want to get something for nothing and who are willing to remove the = encryption on electronic media, the simplest solution is to make the = text available at a lower cost for academic use and make some money = rather than none. You should be talking to your publisher about this = policy, as it will help their bottom line and your standard of living in = your retirement!! So cheer up and realize that old dogs, like myself, = would rather sit on a sun lounger on my back porch reading your new = edition, than sitting at a computer screen in the lab or in my study! = David Mannock 

On Sat, Apr = 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cramer cramer+/-umn.edu <owner-chemistry++ccl.net>= wrote:


Sent to CCL by: Christopher Cramer = [cramer-$-umn.edu]
My...

The least you can do if = you're going to steal the book, and post it online for piracy, is choose = a later printing -- then people won't have to refer to so many = errata.

Now I recall why I've been reluctant to devote the time = to a 3rd edition...

CJC

On Apr 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, = Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/gmail.com wrote:

>
> Sent to CCL = by: Deepangi Pandit [deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com]
> Hi = Bhargav:
> You can refer "Essentials of Computational = Chemistry: Theories and
> Models" by Christopher J. = Cramer
>
> http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20= of%20Computational%20Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20= Christopher%20J.%20Cramer.pdf
>
> = ShortURL
>
> http://alturl.com/jks5j
>
> Also = please feel free to browse
>
> http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/Int= roCompChem.pdf
>
> I believe these are good starting = points and based on your interests
> you can explore the topic/s = further.
>
> Regards,
> = Deepa
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, = Bhargav Trivedi
> bhargavatrivedi*|*gmail.com <owner-chemistry~!~ccl.net> = wrote:
>>
>> Sent to CCL by: "Bhargav =  Trivedi" [bhargavatrivedi[-]gmail.com]
>> Dear all,
>> I = would like to learn computational chemistry. Please tell me how can I = prepare for it.
>> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical chemistry = & an academician since last 16 years. I teach thermodynamics and = electrochemistry to under graduates.
>> Thanks a = lot:
>> Dr. Bhargav Trivedi,
>> Associate Professor of = Chemistry,
>> J & J College of science,
>> Nadiad, = Gujarat.
>> India>
>

--

Christopher J. = Cramer
Elmore H. Northey Professor
University of = Minnesota
Department of Chemistry
207 Pleasant St. = SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0431
--------------------------
Phone: =  (612) 624-0859 || FAX: =  (612) 626-7541
Mobile: = (952) 297-2575
email: =  cramer,+,umn.edu
jabber:  cramer,+,jabber.umn.edu
http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/~cramer
(website = includes information about the textbook "Essentials
  =  of Computational Chemistry:  Theories and Models, 2nd = Edition")



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------=_NextPart_000_004A_01CC08CF.8DA82040-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon May 2 17:49:01 2011 From: "David A Mannock dmannock,ualberta.ca" To: CCL Subject: CCL: To begin with computational chemistry Message-Id: <-44515-110502172849-23813-8MzqK1nfpJreiHH4iB4Pzw a server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: David A Mannock Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec50162b1e2ed4d04a251b44c Date: Mon, 2 May 2011 15:28:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: David A Mannock [dmannock*ualberta.ca] --bcaec50162b1e2ed4d04a251b44c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Jim, I know. I feel guilty every time a take an egg from a chicken or go to a cut-price movie theatre. lol The unfortunate reality is that in the third world piracy of software and text books is commonplace and there is little that we can do to stop it. In order to stop it and bring those countries into line, there have to be electronic options put in place for teaching purposes. Once qualified, many of those people will probably buy a hard copy to put on their bookshelf if they continue in science. Personally, I smile when I see someone copy a paragraph or two from one of my papers into their own "original" work. In reality, since knowledge is power, and I occasionally have to pay an advertizing fee to publish, I wonder if I should not be getting a royalty payment everytime someone downloads or photocopies my papers. Hmm! I wonder if I could afford a Lamborghini just like my brothers after all? Dave On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Jim Kress ccl_nospam++kressworks.com < owner-chemistry+/-ccl.net> wrote: > There is no justification for theft. > > > > Jim Kress > > > > > From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com]_[ccl.net > [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam==kressworks.com]_[ccl.net] On Behalf Of > David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca > Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM > To: Kress, Jim > Subject: CCL: To begin with computational chemistry > > > > Chris, as a newbie to computational chemistry, I try to use every resource > that I can get hold of. I have to admit that I sometimes pirate electronic > copies to help me search texts which are often long and complicated. A > recent point relevant to this issue is Jacob Israelachvili's > "Intermolecular > and surface forces", 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a black hole > known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated online copy of this > essential text. I later bought a second-hand hard copy, while awaiting the > appearance of the 3rd Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but came > out > in 2011. I have read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and have returned > to it in order to refresh my memory many times. After talking to Jacob > Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the 3rd edition to press > and told me when it would be available. Within a week of it coming off the > presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out of my own pocket. The new > edition is several hundred pages longer than the previous copy and an > electronic version would be useful to me. It is a beautifully written > masterpiece in my opinion. However, many publishers are slow in their move > into the electronic realm. This is where the future lies. > > My job ends here on June 30th, 2011, but I still have responsibilities for > writing up papers for a student. I will not have access to online library > facilities here because of local University policy. Despite this, I would > still be willing to buy a new edition of your book to help with my > calculations on my Linux box. I would do this out of my own pocket if need > be. > > As I see it, one of the main purposes of text books is to put all of the > knowledge in a certain area in one place for ease of reference. I think > that > this is very valuable for those of us who do research and those who teach. > Putting together a new edition of your book would be recognized as a > valuable contribution by people in this scientific area, but rather than be > pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to make an electronic copy > available for sale at 50% of the price of the softcover. A university could > either buy a yearly site license for distribution to students at a lower > price, or the institution could host a copy which could be read online, but > not downloaded. There will always be people who want to get something for > nothing and who are willing to remove the encryption on electronic media, > the simplest solution is to make the text available at a lower cost for > academic use and make some money rather than none. You should be talking to > your publisher about this policy, as it will help their bottom line and > your > standard of living in your retirement!! So cheer up and realize that old > dogs, like myself, would rather sit on a sun lounger on my back porch > reading your new edition, than sitting at a computer screen in the lab or > in > my study! David Mannock > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cramer cramer+/-umn.edu > wrote: > > > Sent to CCL by: Christopher Cramer [cramer-$-umn.edu] > My... > > The least you can do if you're going to steal the book, and post it online > for piracy, is choose a later printing -- then people won't have to refer > to > so many errata. > > Now I recall why I've been reluctant to devote the time to a 3rd edition... > > CJC > > On Apr 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/gmail.com > wrote: > > > > > Sent to CCL by: Deepangi Pandit [deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com] > > Hi Bhargav: > > You can refer "Essentials of Computational Chemistry: Theories and > > Models" by Christopher J. Cramer > > > > > > http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20of%20Computational%20 > > Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20Christopher%20J.%20Crame > r.pdf > > > > ShortURL > > > > http://alturl.com/jks5j > > > > Also please feel free to browse > > > > http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/IntroCompChem.pdf > > > > I believe these are good starting points and based on your interests > > you can explore the topic/s further. > > > > Regards, > > Deepa > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Bhargav Trivedi > > bhargavatrivedi*|*gmail.com wrote: > >> > >> Sent to CCL by: "Bhargav Trivedi" [bhargavatrivedi[-]gmail.com] > >> Dear all, > >> I would like to learn computational chemistry. Please tell me how can I > prepare for it. > >> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical chemistry & an academician since last 16 > years. I teach thermodynamics and electrochemistry to under graduates. > >> Thanks a lot: > >> Dr. Bhargav Trivedi, > >> Associate Professor of Chemistry, > >> J & J College of science, > >> Nadiad, Gujarat. > >> India> > > > > -- > > Christopher J. Cramer > Elmore H. Northey Professor > University of Minnesota > Department of Chemistry > 207 Pleasant St. SE > Minneapolis, MN 55455-0431 > -------------------------- > Phone: (612) 624-0859 || FAX: (612) 626-7541 > > Mobile: (952) 297-2575 > email: cramer,+,umn.edu > jabber: cramer,+,jabber.umn.edu > http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/~cramer > (website includes information about the textbook "Essentials > of Computational Chemistry: Theories and Models, 2nd Edition")
> > E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY++ccl.net or use:E-mail to administrators: > CHEMISTRY-REQUEST++ccl.net or usehttp:// > www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtml > Content-Type: text/html; > charset="us-ascii" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > xmlns:o=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" = > xmlns:w=3D"urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" = > xmlns:m=3D"http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" = > xmlns=3D"http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"> http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = > charset=3Dus-ascii"> (filtered medium)"> vlink=3Dpurple>

style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= > D'>There is no justification for theft.

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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497= > D'>Jim Kress

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:= > = > owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net = > [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net] On = > Behalf Of David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca
Sent: = > Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM
To: Kress, Jim = >
Subject: CCL: To begin with computational = > chemistry

class=3DMsoNormal> 

style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Chris, as a newbie to computational = > chemistry, I try to use every resource that I can get hold of. I have to = > admit that I sometimes pirate electronic copies to help me search texts = > which are often long and complicated. A recent point relevant to this = > issue is Jacob Israelachvili's "Intermolecular and surface = > forces", 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a black hole = > known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated online copy of this = > essential text. I later bought a second-hand hard copy, while awaiting = > the appearance of the 3rd Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but = > came out in 2011. I have read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and = > have returned to it in order to refresh my memory many times. After = > talking to Jacob Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the = > 3rd edition to press and told me when it would be available. Within a = > week of it coming off the presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out = > of my own pocket. The new edition is several hundred pages longer than = > the previous copy and an electronic version would be useful to me. It is = > a beautifully written masterpiece in my opinion. However, many = > publishers are slow in their move into the electronic realm. This is = > where the future lies.

My job ends here on June 30th, 2011, but I = > still have responsibilities for writing up papers for a student. I will = > not have access to online library facilities here because of local = > University policy. Despite this, I would still be willing to buy a new = > edition of your book to help with my calculations on my Linux box. I = > would do this out of my own pocket if need be.

As I see it, one = > of the main purposes of text books is to put all of the knowledge in a = > certain area in one place for ease of reference. I think that this is = > very valuable for those of us who do research and those who teach. = > Putting together a new edition of your book would be recognized as a = > valuable contribution by people in this scientific area, but rather than = > be pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to make an electronic = > copy available for sale at 50% of the price of the softcover. A = > university could either buy a yearly site license for distribution to = > students at a lower price, or the institution could host a copy which = > could be read online, but not downloaded. There will always be people = > who want to get something for nothing and who are willing to remove the = > encryption on electronic media, the simplest solution is to make the = > text available at a lower cost for academic use and make some money = > rather than none. You should be talking to your publisher about this = > policy, as it will help their bottom line and your standard of living in = > your retirement!! So cheer up and realize that old dogs, like myself, = > would rather sit on a sun lounger on my back porch reading your new = > edition, than sitting at a computer screen in the lab or in my study! = > David Mannock 

On Sat, Apr = > 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cramer cramer+/- href=3D"http://umn.edu">umn.edu < href=3D"mailto:owner-chemistry++ccl.net">owner-chemistry++ccl.net>= > wrote:

style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>
Sent to CCL by: Christopher Cramer = > [cramer-$- target=3D"_blank">umn.edu]
My...

The least you can do if = > you're going to steal the book, and post it online for piracy, is choose = > a later printing -- then people won't have to refer to so many = > errata.

Now I recall why I've been reluctant to devote the time = > to a 3rd edition...

CJC

On Apr 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, = > Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/ target=3D"_blank">gmail.com wrote:

>
> Sent to CCL = > by: Deepangi Pandit [ target=3D"_blank">deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com]
> Hi = > Bhargav:
> You can refer "Essentials of Computational = > Chemistry: Theories and
> Models" by Christopher J. = > Cramer
>
> href=3D"http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20of%20Compu= > tational%20Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20Christophe= > r%20J.%20Cramer.pdf" = > target=3D"_blank">http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20= > of%20Computational%20Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20= > Christopher%20J.%20Cramer.pdf
>
> = > ShortURL
>
> target=3D"_blank">http://alturl.com/jks5j
>
> Also = > please feel free to browse
>
> href=3D"http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/IntroCompChem= > .pdf" = > target=3D"_blank">http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/Int= > roCompChem.pdf
>
> I believe these are good starting = > points and based on your interests
> you can explore the topic/s = > further.
>
> Regards,
> = > Deepa
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, = > Bhargav Trivedi
> bhargavatrivedi*|* target=3D"_blank">gmail.com <owner-chemistry~!~ href=3D"http://ccl.net" target=3D"_blank">ccl.net> = > wrote:
>>
>> Sent to CCL by: "Bhargav = >  Trivedi" [bhargavatrivedi[-] target=3D"_blank">gmail.com]
>> Dear all,
>> I = > would like to learn computational chemistry. Please tell me how can I = > prepare for it.
>> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical chemistry = > & an academician since last 16 years. I teach thermodynamics and = > electrochemistry to under graduates.
>> Thanks a = > lot:
>> Dr. Bhargav Trivedi,
>> Associate Professor of = > Chemistry,
>> J & J College of science,
>> Nadiad, = > Gujarat.
>> India>
>

--

Christopher J. = > Cramer
Elmore H. Northey Professor
University of = > Minnesota
Department of Chemistry
207 Pleasant St. = > SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0431
--------------------------
Phone: = >  (612) 624-0859 || FAX: = >  (612) 626-7541
Mobile: = > (952) 297-2575
email: = >  cramer,+, target=3D"_blank">umn.edu
jabber:  cramer,+, href=3D"http://jabber.umn.edu" = > target=3D"_blank">jabber.umn.edu
href=3D"http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/%7Ecramer" = > target=3D"_blank">http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/~cramer
(website = > includes information about the textbook "Essentials
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--bcaec50162b1e2ed4d04a251b44c Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jim, I know. I feel guilty every time a take an egg from a chicken or go to= a cut-price movie theatre. lol The unfortunate reality is that in the thir= d world piracy of software and text books is commonplace and there is littl= e that we can do to stop it. In order to stop it and bring those countries = into line, there have to be electronic options put in place for teaching pu= rposes. Once qualified, many of those people will probably buy a hard copy = to put on their bookshelf if they continue in science. Personally, I smile = when I see someone copy a paragraph or two from one of my papers into their= own "original" work. In reality, since knowledge is power, and I= occasionally have to pay an advertizing fee to publish, I wonder if I shou= ld not be getting a royalty payment everytime someone downloads or photocop= ies my papers. Hmm! I wonder if I could afford a Lamborghini just like my b= rothers after all? Dave

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Jim Kress c= cl_nospam++kressworks.com <owner-chemistry+/-ccl= .net> wrote:
There is no justi= fication for theft.



Jim Kress



> From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net
[mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl= _nospam=3D=3Dkressw= orks.com]_[ccl.net] On= Behalf Of
David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM
To: Kress, Jim
Subject: CCL: To begin with computational chemistry



Chris, as a newbie to computational chemistry, I try to use every resource<= br> that I can get hold of. I have to admit that I sometimes pirate electronic<= br> copies to help me search texts which are often long and complicated. A
recent point relevant to this issue is Jacob Israelachvili's "Inte= rmolecular
and surface forces", 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a black= hole
known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated online copy of this
essential text. I later bought a second-hand hard copy, while awaiting the<= br> appearance of the 3rd Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but came ou= t
in 2011. I have read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and have returned<= br> to it in order to refresh my memory many times. After talking to Jacob
Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the 3rd edition to press<= br> and told me when it would be available. Within a week of it coming off the<= br> presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out of my own pocket. The new
edition is several hundred pages longer than the previous copy and an
electronic version would be useful to me. It is a beautifully written
masterpiece in my opinion. However, many publishers are slow in their move<= br> into the electronic realm. This is where the future lies.

My job ends here on June 30th, 2011, but I still have responsibilities for<= br> writing up papers for a student. I will not have access to online library facilities here because of local University policy. Despite this, I would still be willing to buy a new edition of your book to help with my
calculations on my Linux box. I would do this out of my own pocket if need<= br> be.

As I see it, one of the main purposes of text books is to put all of the knowledge in a certain area in one place for ease of reference. I think tha= t
this is very valuable for those of us who do research and those who teach.<= br> Putting together a new edition of your book would be recognized as a
valuable contribution by people in this scientific area, but rather than be=
pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to make an electronic copy available for sale at 50% of the price of the softcover. A university could=
either buy a yearly site license for distribution to students at a lower price, or the institution could host a copy which could be read online, but=
not downloaded. There will always be people who want to get something for nothing and who are willing to remove the encryption on electronic media, the simplest solution is to make the text available at a lower cost for
academic use and make some money rather than none. You should be talking to=
your publisher about this policy, as it will help their bottom line and you= r
standard of living in your retirement!! So cheer up and realize that old dogs, like myself, would rather sit on a sun lounger on my back porch
reading your new edition, than sitting at a computer screen in the lab or i= n
my study! David Mannock

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cramer cramer+/-umn.edu
<owner-chemistry++ccl.net> wrote:


Sent to CCL by: Christopher Cramer [cramer-$-umn.edu]
My...

The least you can do if you're going to steal the book, and post it onl= ine
for piracy, is choose a later printing -- then people won't have to ref= er to
so many errata.

Now I recall why I've been reluctant to devote the time to a 3rd editio= n...

CJC

On Apr 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/gmail.com
wrote:

>
> Sent to CCL by: Deepangi Pandit [deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com]
> Hi Bhargav:
> You can refer "Essentials of Computational Chemistry: Theories an= d
> Models" by Christopher J. Cramer
>
>
http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui= /textbooks/Essentials%20of%20Computational%20
Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20Christopher%20J.%20Cram= e
r.pdf
>
> ShortURL
>
> http://alturl.co= m/jks5j
>
> Also please feel free to browse
>
> http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryp= hysics/IntroCompChem.pdf
>
> I believe these are good starting points and based on your interests > you can explore the topic/s further.
>
> Regards,
> Deepa
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, Bhargav Trivedi
> bhargavatrivedi*|*gmail= .com <owner-chemistry~!~ccl.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sent to CCL by: "Bhargav =A0Trivedi" [bhargavatrivedi[-]= gmail.com]
>> Dear all,
>> I would like to learn computational chemistry. Please tell me how = can I
prepare for it.
>> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical chemistry & an academician sinc= e last 16
years. I teach thermodynamics and electrochemistry to under graduates.
>> Thanks a lot:
>> Dr. Bhargav Trivedi,
>> Associate Professor of Chemistry,
>> J & J College of science,
>> Nadiad, Gujarat.
>> India>
>

--

Christopher J. Cramer
Elmore H. Northey Professor
University of Minnesota
Department of Chemistry
207 Pleasant St. SE
Minneapolis, MN 55455-0431
--------------------------
Phone: =A0(612)= 624-0859 <tel:%28612%29%20624-0859> =A0|| FAX: =A0(612) 626-7541
<tel:%28612%29%20626-7541>
Mobile: (952) 2= 97-2575 <tel:%28952%29%20297-2575>
email: =A0cramer,+,umn.edu=
jabber: =A0cramer,+,jab= ber.umn.edu
http://p= ollux.chem.umn.edu/~cramer <http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/%7Ecramer>
(website includes information about the textbook "Essentials
=A0 of Computational Chemistry: =A0Theories and Models, 2nd Edition")= <br


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Behalf Of </b>David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca<br><b>Sent:</b> =3D<= br> Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM<br><b>To:</b> Kress, Jim= =3D
<br><b>Subject:</b> CCL: To begin with computational =3D<= br> chemistry<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div= ><p =3D
class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p cla= ss=3D3DMsoNormal =3D
style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Chris, as a newbie to computati= onal =3D
chemistry, I try to use every resource that I can get hold of. I have to = =3D
admit that I sometimes pirate electronic copies to help me search texts =3D=
which are often long and complicated. A recent point relevant to this =3D issue is Jacob Israelachvili's &quot;Intermolecular and surface =3D=
forces&quot;, 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a black hole = =3D
known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated online copy of this =3D<= br> essential text. I later bought a second-hand hard copy, while awaiting =3D<= br> the appearance of the 3rd Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but =3D=
came out in 2011. I have read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and =3D have returned to it in order to refresh my memory many times. After =3D
talking to Jacob Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the =3D<= br> 3rd edition to press and told me when it would be available. Within a =3D week of it coming off the presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out =3D<= br> of my own pocket. The new edition is several hundred pages longer than =3D<= br> the previous copy and an electronic version would be useful to me. It is = =3D
a beautifully written masterpiece in my opinion. However, many =3D
publishers are slow in their move into the electronic realm. This is =3D where the future lies.<br><br>My job ends here on June 30th, 20= 11, but I =3D
still have responsibilities for writing up papers for a student. I will =3D=
not have access to online library facilities here because of local =3D
University policy. Despite this, I would still be willing to buy a new =3D<= br> edition of your book to help with my calculations on my Linux box. I =3D would do this out of my own pocket if need be. <br><br>As I see= it, one =3D
of the main purposes of text books is to put all of the knowledge in a =3D<= br> certain area in one place for ease of reference. I think that this is =3D very valuable for those of us who do research and those who teach. =3D
Putting together a new edition of your book would be recognized as a =3D valuable contribution by people in this scientific area, but rather than = =3D
be pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to make an electronic =3D<= br> copy available for sale at 50% of the price of the softcover. A =3D
university could either buy a yearly site license for distribution to =3D students at a lower price, or the institution could host a copy which =3D could be read online, but not downloaded. There will always be people =3D who want to get something for nothing and who are willing to remove the =3D=
encryption on electronic media, the simplest solution is to make the =3D text available at a lower cost for academic use and make some money =3D
rather than none. You should be talking to your publisher about this =3D policy, as it will help their bottom line and your standard of living in = =3D
your retirement!! So cheer up and realize that old dogs, like myself, =3D would rather sit on a sun lounger on my back porch reading your new =3D
edition, than sitting at a computer screen in the lab or in my study! =3D David Mannock&nbsp; <o:p></o:p></p><div><p c= lass=3D3DMsoNormal>On Sat, Apr =3D
30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cramer cramer+/-<a =3D
href=3D3D"http://umn.edu<= /a>">umn.edu</a= > &lt;<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:owner= -chemistry++ccl.net">owner-chemistry++ccl.net</a>&gt;=3D
=A0wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D
style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>Sent to CCL by: Chris= topher Cramer =3D
[cramer-$-<a href=3D3D"http://umn.edu" =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">umn.edu</a>]<br>My...<br><br>The least you c= an do if =3D
you're going to steal the book, and post it online for piracy, is choos= e =3D
a later printing -- then people won't have to refer to so many =3D
errata.<br><br>Now I recall why I've been reluctant to devo= te the time =3D
to a 3rd edition...<br><br>CJC<br><br>On Apr 30, 20= 11, at 12:30 PM, =3D
Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/<a href=3D3D"http://gmail.com" =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">gmail.com</a> wrote:<br><br>&gt;<br>&a= mp;gt; Sent to CCL =3D
by: Deepangi Pandit [<a href=3D3D"http://deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com"= ; =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com</a>]<br>= &gt; Hi =3D
Bhargav:<br>&gt; You can refer &quot;Essentials of Computatio= nal =3D
Chemistry: Theories and<br>&gt; Models&quot; by Christopher J= . =3D
Cramer<br>&gt;<br>&gt; <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/= textbooks/Essentials%20of%20Compu=3D
tational%20Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20Christophe= =3D
r%20J.%20Cramer.pdf" =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">http://kimia.unnes.ac.id= /kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20=3D
of%20Computational%20Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20= =3D
Christopher%20J.%20Cramer.pdf</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;= =3D
ShortURL<br>&gt;<br>&gt; <a href=3D3D"http://alturl.com/jks5j&= quot; =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">http://alturl.com/jks5j</a><br>&gt;<br&g= t;&gt; Also =3D
please feel free to browse<br>&gt;<br>&gt; <a =3D href=3D3D"http://static.msi.umn.edu/tut= orial/chemistryphysics/IntroCompChem=3D
.pdf" =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">http://stat= ic.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/Int=3D
roCompChem.pdf</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; I believe = these are good starting =3D
points and based on your interests<br>&gt; you can explore the to= pic/s =3D
further.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Regards,<br>&gt; =3D=
Deepa<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&g= t; On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, =3D
Bhargav Trivedi<br>&gt; bhargavatrivedi*|*<a href=3D3D"http://gmail.com" =3D=
target=3D3D"_blank">gmail.com</a> &lt;owner-chemistry~!~<a =3D
href=3D3D"http://ccl.net<= /a>" target=3D3D"_blank">ccl.net</a>&gt; =3D
wrote:<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Sent to CCL by: = &quot;Bhargav =3D
&nbsp;Trivedi&quot; [bhargavatrivedi[-]<a href=3D3D"http://gmail.com" =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">gmail.com</a>]<br>&gt;&gt; Dear all,<br>= &gt;&gt; I =3D
would like to learn computational chemistry. Please tell me how can I =3D prepare for it.<br>&gt;&gt; I am an M Sc PhD with Physical ch= emistry =3D
&amp; an academician since last 16 years. I teach thermodynamics and = =3D
electrochemistry to under graduates.<br>&gt;&gt; Thanks a =3D=
lot:<br>&gt;&gt; Dr. Bhargav Trivedi,<br>&gt;&g= t; Associate Professor of =3D
Chemistry,<br>&gt;&gt; J &amp; J College of science,<b= r>&gt;&gt; Nadiad, =3D
Gujarat.<br>&gt;&gt; India&gt;<br>&gt;<br>= ;<br>--<br><br>Christopher J. =3D
Cramer<br>Elmore H. Northey Professor<br>University of =3D
Minnesota<br>Department of Chemistry<br>207 Pleasant St. =3D SE<br>Minneapolis, MN 55455-0431<br>--------------------------&= lt;br>Phone: =3D
&nbsp;<a href=3D3D"tel:%28612%29%20624-0859">(612) 624-0859</a&= gt; || FAX: =3D
&nbsp;<a href=3D3D"tel:%28612%29%20626-7541">(612) 626-7541</a&= gt;<br>Mobile: =3D
<a href=3D3D"tel:%28952%29%20297-2575">(952) 297-2575</a><br&= gt;email: =3D
&nbsp;cramer,+,<a href=3D3D"http://umn.edu" =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">umn.edu</a><br>jabber: &nbsp;cramer,+,<a =3D
href=3D3D"http://j= abber.umn.edu" =3D
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