From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Apr 22 07:24:01 2015 From: "Andreas Klamt klamt||cosmologic.de" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: How are you feeling about making CCL prosperous? Message-Id: <-51301-150422020952-16686-jQdTvtEoNBwSdRJZC/Ylng(-)server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Andreas Klamt Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:09:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Andreas Klamt [klamt*_*cosmologic.de] I had in the past - 2 or 3 times - made a contribution, i.e. from my company COSMOlogic, but in the moment I really feel I would support the a competitors support hotline by supporting CCL. I think that some rule should be introduced, that support questions - at least for commercial programs - should be first addressed to the software provider. Only as a last ressort such questions shall be discussed in CCL. Nobody should send a question as "How can I calculate an interfacial tension with COSMOtherm" to CCL. Such questions should be answered by our support. And we need more interesting discussions in CCL again. In the past years I had the impression that the more interesting questions would be discussed now in some LinkedIn Computational Chemistry groups. Andreas Am 21.04.2015 um 23:29 schrieb Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics. _ .gmail.com: > > Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics]*[gmail.com] > Update: in response to the previous post of mine, a kind higher-up in > Gaussian email me to inquire what technical question was missed. The > gentleman said he would look into the matter of the emails of mine > which were not responded to. > > I thus should fairly report this lest I malign someone unfairly! > > -Robert > > On 4/21/15 1:47 PM, Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics|,|gmail.com > wrote: >> >> Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics|-|gmail.com] >> Gaussian has ignored some of my more technical requests. Not that >> they are obliged to answer them, mind you. >> >> On 4/21/15 10:54 AM, Chang, Christopher Christopher.Chang],[nrel.gov >> wrote: >>> To be fair, upon visiting their website one can mouse over "Tech >>> Support," >>> click on "More...," and be presented with quite a lot of information, >>> including "Contacting Gaussian, Inc. Technical Support." Granted >>> it's not a >>> mailing list, but their model allows them to ensure information is >>> correct >>> as ways of doing things, keywords, etc. change. >>> >>> I don't think I've ever had a request for help ignored by Gaussian. >>> I can't >>> say the same for mailing lists in general. CCL raises the bar >>> though, and is >>> a fantastic resource. That DVD is intriguing... >>> >>> - Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: owner-chemistry+christopher.chang==nrel.gov:ccl.net >>> [mailto:owner-chemistry+christopher.chang==nrel.gov:ccl.net] On >>> Behalf Of >>> Salter-Duke, Brian James brian.james.duke_-_gmail.com >>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 8:31 PM >>> To: Chang, Christopher >>> Subject: CCL:G: How are you feeling about making CCL prosperous? >>> >>> >>> Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke, Brian James " >>> [brian.james.duke,+,gmail.com] Hi Jan, >>> >>> Does Gaussian Inc contribute any funds to CCL? If not, I think they >>> should >>> as it is used as the main Gaussian support email list. Most other >>> programs, >>> e.g. >>> GAMESS(US), GAMESS(UK), Dalton, Orca, have their own list for users >>> to help >>> each other and attract the attention of the developers. I support a >>> very >>> inactive list for VB2000. I do not believe Gaussian has such a list. >>> Actually I believe many users think there is such a list and it is >>> called >>> the CCL. If they do not contribute any funds to CCL, I hope this >>> shames them >>> into doing so. >>> >>> Cheers, Brian. >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 07:08:18PM -0400, janl-x-speakeasy.net wrote: >>>> Sent to CCL by: janl%%speakeasy.net >>>> Dear CCL, >>>> This is an infrequent message from the CCL Administrator about >>>> supporting >>> CCL. I am quite inspired with the recent fund drive for my local >>> Columbus OH >>> NPR radio station that was supposedly successful (Oh yes, I am a >>> member...). >>> Maybe it is the spring in the Northern Hemisphere that makes these >>> bursts of >>> benevolent reflexes in people (but not animals...)? But I am >>> probably more >>> inspired by the abysmal state of CCL support. Of course, CCL is free >>> for >>> most of you, but not necessarily for me. It is getting actually more >>> and >>> more taxing on my time due to the state of Internet, and the email in >>> particular. Lucky you, who do not have their email address displayed >>> on the >>> Web for more than 20 years. >>>> At this point, the banners on the CCL Home page will soon disappear >>>> beside >>> one. They are 1000 USD for a year or 2000 USD for 3 years. From what >>> I hear, >>> they are successful, they bring the traffic to the banner site, and >>> they do >>> help. And bring good publicity. Encourage your marketing people to >>> put the >>> banner on CCL. It works, and it will also help me to cope with CCL >>> expenses. >>> >>>> There are other ways to support CCL: >>>> 1) Advertise the open positions on CCL >>>> Details: http://www.ccl.net/jobs >>>> This service is VERY successful if you look to fill the comp >>>> chem or related position. People tell me that they find >>>> a suitable candidate often in days. Of course, some do not >>>> find the candidates that fast, but it depends on the job >>>> description. The ads have counters, so you can see that they >>>> are visited. With fall approaching the time to find a candidate >>>> is now. >>>> >>>> 2) Buy the DVD archive of CCL for your group for 250 USD. >>>> http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/buy_dvd >>>> You can grep and do things like: >>>> find . -type f -exec grep -li gamess {} \; >>>> and find stuff that Google will not show. And in case >>>> of me getting incapacitated or senile (maybe I am already ther?), >>>> the CCL will survive better than other computational chemistry >>>> repositories. Someone will have a copy of it. >>>> >>>> 3) You can also be a personal sponsor. >>>> http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/supporting_members >>>> For two weeks of Starbucks your web site can be popular. >>>> BTW, if you do not have kids and amassed a billion dollars, >>>> give a chunk to CCL... I will take it... I did not yet hear about >>>> anyone getting rich off Computational Chemistry, but what do >>>> I know? >>>> >>>> 4) You can advertise your conferences and workshops. >>>> This service is free but I do not shy if you help me >>>> with 50 USD donation: >>>> http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ >>>> >>>> Of course, you can help financially - this is the "capital budget" >>>> for CCL >>> and you all understand that there is no free lunch. The operation of >>> CCL is >>> you, though, with your thoughtful questions, answers and comments, your >>> contributions to CCL archives, and your staying with CCL and >>> participating. >>> Look... It runs since 1991 and still has participants... Amazing... >>> Some >>> grad students were born after CCL started... >>>> Thank you all for being a part of CCL. >>>> Jan >>>> -- >>>> Jan Labanowski >>>> jkl%a%ccl.net and other addresses> >> > -- -------------------------------------------------- Prof. Dr. Andreas Klamt CEO / Geschäftsführer COSMOlogic GmbH & Co. KG Imbacher Weg 46 D-51379 Leverkusen, Germany phone +49-2171-731681 fax +49-2171-731689 e-mail klamt _ cosmologic.de web www.cosmologic.de [University address: Inst. of Physical and Theoretical Chemistry, University of Regensburg] HRA 20653 Amtsgericht Koeln, GF: Prof. Dr. Andreas Klamt Komplementaer: COSMOlogic Verwaltungs GmbH HRB 49501 Amtsgericht Koeln, GF: Prof. Dr. Andreas Klamt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Apr 22 10:28:01 2015 From: "N. Sukumar nagams(a)rpi.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: How are you feeling about making CCL =?UTF-8?Q?prosperous=3F?= Message-Id: <-51302-150422101514-6275-pbovUwqJu4KbA7UVOTGyWg##server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "N. Sukumar" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:45:04 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "N. Sukumar" [nagams*_*rpi.edu] "Only as a last resort such questions shall be discussed in CCL." I agree, but there is no point saying what kinds of questions people should or should not ask. Many or most of those asking such questions on CCL are students who would rather post a question here than read a manual or a book or even search on Wikipedia, let alone seek help from their research advisors. This phenomenon is created just as much by those users who answer every trivial question on CCL rather than telling the questioner to go read a quantum chemistry book (what a quaint notion!) or to look up the Gaussian website. -- N. SUKUMAR Professor & Head, Department of Chemistry Director, Center for Informatics Shiv Nadar University, India On 2015-04-22 11:39, Andreas Klamt klamt||cosmologic.de wrote: > Sent to CCL by: Andreas Klamt [klamt*_*cosmologic.de] > I had in the past - 2 or 3 times - made a contribution, i.e. from my > company COSMOlogic, but in the moment I really feel I would support > the a competitors support hotline by supporting CCL. I think that some > rule should be introduced, that support questions - at least for > commercial programs - should be first addressed to the software > provider. Only as a last ressort such questions shall be discussed in > CCL. Nobody should send a question as "How can I calculate an > interfacial tension with COSMOtherm" to CCL. Such questions should be > answered by our support. > > And we need more interesting discussions in CCL again. In the past > years I had the impression that the more interesting questions would > be discussed now in some LinkedIn Computational Chemistry groups. > > Andreas > > Am 21.04.2015 um 23:29 schrieb Robert Molt > r.molt.chemical.physics.^.gmail.com: >> >> Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics]*[gmail.com] >> Update: in response to the previous post of mine, a kind higher-up in >> Gaussian email me to inquire what technical question was missed. The >> gentleman said he would look into the matter of the emails of mine >> which were not responded to. >> >> I thus should fairly report this lest I malign someone unfairly! >> >> -Robert >> >> On 4/21/15 1:47 PM, Robert Molt r.molt.chemical.physics|,|gmail.com >> wrote: >>> >>> Sent to CCL by: Robert Molt [r.molt.chemical.physics|-|gmail.com] >>> Gaussian has ignored some of my more technical requests. Not that >>> they are obliged to answer them, mind you. >>> >>> On 4/21/15 10:54 AM, Chang, Christopher Christopher.Chang],[nrel.gov >>> wrote: >>>> To be fair, upon visiting their website one can mouse over "Tech >>>> Support," >>>> click on "More...," and be presented with quite a lot of >>>> information, >>>> including "Contacting Gaussian, Inc. Technical Support." Granted >>>> it's not a >>>> mailing list, but their model allows them to ensure information is >>>> correct >>>> as ways of doing things, keywords, etc. change. >>>> >>>> I don't think I've ever had a request for help ignored by Gaussian. >>>> I can't >>>> say the same for mailing lists in general. CCL raises the bar >>>> though, and is >>>> a fantastic resource. That DVD is intriguing... >>>> >>>> - Chris >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: owner-chemistry+christopher.chang==nrel.gov:ccl.net >>>> [mailto:owner-chemistry+christopher.chang==nrel.gov:ccl.net] On >>>> Behalf Of >>>> Salter-Duke, Brian James brian.james.duke_-_gmail.com >>>> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2015 8:31 PM >>>> To: Chang, Christopher >>>> Subject: CCL:G: How are you feeling about making CCL prosperous? >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke, Brian James " >>>> [brian.james.duke,+,gmail.com] Hi Jan, >>>> >>>> Does Gaussian Inc contribute any funds to CCL? If not, I think they >>>> should >>>> as it is used as the main Gaussian support email list. Most other >>>> programs, >>>> e.g. >>>> GAMESS(US), GAMESS(UK), Dalton, Orca, have their own list for users >>>> to help >>>> each other and attract the attention of the developers. I support a >>>> very >>>> inactive list for VB2000. I do not believe Gaussian has such a list. >>>> Actually I believe many users think there is such a list and it is >>>> called >>>> the CCL. If they do not contribute any funds to CCL, I hope this >>>> shames them >>>> into doing so. >>>> >>>> Cheers, Brian. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 07:08:18PM -0400, janl-x-speakeasy.net >>>> wrote: >>>>> Sent to CCL by: janl%%speakeasy.net >>>>> Dear CCL, >>>>> This is an infrequent message from the CCL Administrator about >>>>> supporting >>>> CCL. I am quite inspired with the recent fund drive for my local >>>> Columbus OH >>>> NPR radio station that was supposedly successful (Oh yes, I am a >>>> member...). >>>> Maybe it is the spring in the Northern Hemisphere that makes these >>>> bursts of >>>> benevolent reflexes in people (but not animals...)? But I am >>>> probably more >>>> inspired by the abysmal state of CCL support. Of course, CCL is free >>>> for >>>> most of you, but not necessarily for me. It is getting actually more >>>> and >>>> more taxing on my time due to the state of Internet, and the email >>>> in >>>> particular. Lucky you, who do not have their email address displayed >>>> on the >>>> Web for more than 20 years. >>>>> At this point, the banners on the CCL Home page will soon disappear >>>>> beside >>>> one. They are 1000 USD for a year or 2000 USD for 3 years. From what >>>> I hear, >>>> they are successful, they bring the traffic to the banner site, and >>>> they do >>>> help. And bring good publicity. Encourage your marketing people to >>>> put the >>>> banner on CCL. It works, and it will also help me to cope with CCL >>>> expenses. >>>> >>>>> There are other ways to support CCL: >>>>> 1) Advertise the open positions on CCL >>>>> Details: http://www.ccl.net/jobs >>>>> This service is VERY successful if you look to fill the comp >>>>> chem or related position. People tell me that they find >>>>> a suitable candidate often in days. Of course, some do not >>>>> find the candidates that fast, but it depends on the job >>>>> description. The ads have counters, so you can see that they >>>>> are visited. With fall approaching the time to find a candidate >>>>> is now. >>>>> >>>>> 2) Buy the DVD archive of CCL for your group for 250 USD. >>>>> http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/buy_dvd >>>>> You can grep and do things like: >>>>> find . -type f -exec grep -li gamess {} \; >>>>> and find stuff that Google will not show. And in case >>>>> of me getting incapacitated or senile (maybe I am already >>>>> ther?), >>>>> the CCL will survive better than other computational chemistry >>>>> repositories. Someone will have a copy of it. >>>>> >>>>> 3) You can also be a personal sponsor. >>>>> http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/supporting_members >>>>> For two weeks of Starbucks your web site can be popular. >>>>> BTW, if you do not have kids and amassed a billion dollars, >>>>> give a chunk to CCL... I will take it... I did not yet hear >>>>> about >>>>> anyone getting rich off Computational Chemistry, but what do >>>>> I know? >>>>> >>>>> 4) You can advertise your conferences and workshops. >>>>> This service is free but I do not shy if you help me >>>>> with 50 USD donation: >>>>> http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ >>>>> >>>>> Of course, you can help financially - this is the "capital budget" >>>>> for CCL >>>> and you all understand that there is no free lunch. The operation of >>>> CCL is >>>> you, though, with your thoughtful questions, answers and comments, >>>> your >>>> contributions to CCL archives, and your staying with CCL and >>>> participating. >>>> Look... It runs since 1991 and still has participants... Amazing... >>>> Some >>>> grad students were born after CCL started... >>>>> Thank you all for being a part of CCL. >>>>> Jan >>>>> -- >>>>> Jan Labanowski >>>>> jkl%a%ccl.net and other addresses> >>> >> > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------- > > Prof. Dr. Andreas Klamt > CEO / Geschäftsführer > COSMOlogic GmbH & Co. KG > Imbacher Weg 46 > D-51379 Leverkusen, Germany > > phone +49-2171-731681 > fax +49-2171-731689 > e-mail klamt^cosmologic.de > web www.cosmologic.de > > [University address: Inst. of Physical and > Theoretical Chemistry, University of Regensburg] > > HRA 20653 Amtsgericht Koeln, GF: Prof. Dr. Andreas Klamt > Komplementaer: COSMOlogic Verwaltungs GmbH > HRB 49501 Amtsgericht Koeln, GF: Prof. Dr. Andreas Klamt> To recover the email address of the author of the message, please > changeConferences: > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Apr 22 11:02:01 2015 From: "Igors Mihailovs igors.mihailovs0{}gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Semiempirical calculation on Gaussian using External parameter file Message-Id: <-51303-150422104403-28122-QDHOPfQqNbsLbmWP3h0Bvw_+_server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Igors Mihailovs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c33f0267f5df051451312f Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 17:43:37 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Igors Mihailovs [igors.mihailovs0!^!gmail.com] --001a11c33f0267f5df051451312f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear Mr. Sharma, You probably should write # AM1=MOPAC opt=gdiis ans, at the end of Your input file, add *_*PARAM after a blank line. This is in the case You have no other input parameters except those from Your MOPAC file. In any case, You are advised to write to help*_*gaussian.com first. They are usually very kind and will tell You quite much about everything their program is able to do. With best wishes, Igors Mihailovs (engineer) Institute of Solid State Physics University of Latvia 2015-04-22 3:53 GMT+03:00 Bharat Sharma bharatsolbridge,,gmail.com < owner-chemistry*_*ccl.net>: > > Sent to CCL by: "Bharat Sharma" [bharatsolbridge__gmail.com] > Hello Everyone, > > I would like to use Gaussian 09 for Semiempirical calculations using > external parameter file which is in MOPAC format. I am having trouble in > writing correct input line. Can anyone correct it? > > #AM1=(Input,PARAM, MOPAC, BOTH) opt=gdiis > > I have a PARAM file with parameters. > > Thank you. > > Best regards, > Bharat Sharma> > > --001a11c33f0267f5df051451312f Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Mr. Sharma,

You probably = should write

# AM1=3DMOPAC opt=3Dgdiis

ans, at the end = of Your input file, add

*_*PARAM

after a blank line. This is in= the case You have no other input parameters except those from Your MOPAC f= ile.

In any case, You are advised to write to help*_*gaussian.com first. They are usually very kin= d and will tell You quite much about everything their program is able to do= .


With best wishes,
Igors Mihailovs (= engineer)
Institute of Solid State Physics
Univ= ersity of Latvia


2015-04-22 3:53 GMT+03:00 Bharat Sharma bhar= atsolbridge,,gmail.com &= lt;owner-chemi= stry*_*ccl.net>:

Sent to CCL by: "Bharat=C2=A0 Sharma" [bharatsolbridge__gmail.com]
Hello Everyone,

I would like to use Gaussian 09 for Semiempirical calculations using
external parameter file which is in MOPAC format. I am having trouble in writing correct input line. Can anyone correct it?

#AM1=3D(Input,PARAM, MOPAC, BOTH) opt=3Dgdiis

I have a PARAM file with parameters.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Bharat Sharma



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--001a11c33f0267f5df051451312f-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed Apr 22 12:30:01 2015 From: "Igors Mihailovs igors.mihailovs0\a/gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Semiempirical calculation on Gaussian using External parameter file Message-Id: <-51304-150422122901-8860-xBcofD9mlksDMLX78CYRxQ!=!server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Igors Mihailovs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01177485c9c97c051452a831 Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:28:34 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Igors Mihailovs [igors.mihailovs0~!~gmail.com] --089e01177485c9c97c051452a831 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I apologize, I did not think about that CCL converts "at" signs to symbols, obviously to fight junk mail to addresses published. It was "at"PARAM and help "at" gaussian.com what I supposed to You. With best wishes, Igors Mihailovs (engineer) Institute of Solid State Physics University of Latvia 2015-04-22 17:43 GMT+03:00 Igors Mihailovs igors.mihailovs0{}gmail.com < owner-chemistry++ccl.net>: > Dear Mr. Sharma, > > You probably should write > > # AM1=MOPAC opt=gdiis > > ans, at the end of Your input file, add > > {}PARAM > > after a blank line. This is in the case You have no other input parameters > except those from Your MOPAC file. > > In any case, You are advised to write to help{}gaussian.com first. They > are usually very kind and will tell You quite much about everything their > program is able to do. > > > With best wishes, > Igors Mihailovs (engineer) > Institute of Solid State Physics > University of Latvia > > > 2015-04-22 3:53 GMT+03:00 Bharat Sharma bharatsolbridge,,gmail.com < > owner-chemistry{}ccl.net>: > >> >> Sent to CCL by: "Bharat Sharma" [bharatsolbridge__gmail.com] >> Hello Everyone, >> >> I would like to use Gaussian 09 for Semiempirical calculations using >> external parameter file which is in MOPAC format. I am having trouble in >> writing correct input line. Can anyone correct it? >> >> #AM1=(Input,PARAM, MOPAC, BOTH) opt=gdiis >> >> I have a PARAM file with parameters. >> >> Thank you. >> >> Best regards, >> Bharat Sharma>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY{}ccl.net or use:>> >> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST{}ccl.net or use>> >> >> > --089e01177485c9c97c051452a831 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I apologize, I did not think about tha= t CCL converts "at" signs to symbols, obviously to fight junk mai= l to addresses published. It was

"at"PARAM

and

help "at" ga= ussian.com

what I supposed to You.
With best wishes,
Igors Mihailovs (engineer)
Institute of Solid Stat= e Physics
University of Latvia

=

2015-04-22 17:43 GMT+03:00 Igors Mihailovs i= gors.mihailovs0{}gmail.com <owner-c= hemistry++ccl.net>:
Dear Mr. Sharma,

You probably should w= rite

# AM1=3DMOPAC opt=3Dgdiis

ans, at the end of Your = input file, add

{}PARAM

after a blank line. This is in the ca= se You have no other input parameters except those from Your MOPAC file.
In any case, You are advised to write to help{}gaussian.com first. They are= usually very kind and will tell You quite much about everything their prog= ram is able to do.


With best wishes,
Igors Mihailovs (engineer)=
Institute of Solid State Physics
University of= Latvia


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Sent to CCL by: "Bharat=C2=A0 Sharma" [bharatsolbridge__gmail.com]
Hello Everyone,

I would like to use Gaussian 09 for Semiempirical calculations using
external parameter file which is in MOPAC format. I am having trouble in writing correct input line. Can anyone correct it?

#AM1=3D(Input,PARAM, MOPAC, BOTH) opt=3Dgdiis

I have a PARAM file with parameters.

Thank you.

Best regards,
Bharat Sharma



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