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On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 05:32:11PM +0530, N. Sukumar nagams|a|rpi.edu wrote:
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> Sent to CCL by: "N. Sukumar" [nagams|rpi.edu]
> The twin problems of ensuring data integrity and data longevity are  
> non-trivial. Any solution has to make long-term economic sense. With the  
> proliferation of pay-to-publish journals, I'm not sure of the longevity  
> of the articles themselves, let alone the supplementary data. In a pay  
> up-front model, how does the publisher ensure support for the data "in  
> perpetuity"? It is no surprise that publishers may want the authors'  
> institutions to support the ESI, even when the authors transfer the  
> article copyright to the publisher. But what happens when the author  
> moves to another institution or to industry or retires? Will the  
> author's former institution continue to support the data repository "in  
> perpetuity"?

To CCL audience,

The words by Prof. Sukumar are extremely wise and go to the core of
the problem: longevity of data and economy for the cost. Let us be
sensible: how many months, years, decades, centuries we want our data
be conserved?  As much as possible? Well, try to publish them in a
most professional journal. APS, ACS, IOP, ... have highly appreciated
journals and tradition to keep journals for long periods of time. You
are able to publish only in a new born medium where the publisher is
only in the business for the love of money? Then your appreciation of
your data collides with your talent or with the appreciation of your
sponsors, sorry.

Since long many people has kept data in their webs: images, movies,
softwares, ...  It takes time to attend the web of a group but any
group tries it as long as the group is alive.

Groups survive people. I'm a witness on that, unfortunately. Groups
also die and extremely useful web services suddenly disappear and many
people has witnessed that. There is not an easy solution.

Best regards and peace,
                       Dr. Víctor Luaña
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  /`. \/ .'\ 
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