From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Dec 30 09:40:00 2016 From: "Peter Sisak p.sisak(_)student.tue.nl" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Advice request for determining reaction path and basic features Message-Id: <-52571-161230030911-25770-+soOQL+WlkHqDur064wvRA _ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Peter Sisak" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 03:09:09 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Peter Sisak" [p.sisak[*]student.tue.nl] Hello, I amv interested in determining reaction rates and factors such as thermodynamic constants, mostly for inorganic reactions. I have no particular software in mind but I would prefer such that are not commercial; such that are available on a Win/x64 platform; and such that can leverage GPU processing power. So with these in mind, you are kindly requested to give a suggestion as to suitable software -- and if possible, also a stepwise description as to executing such calculations. Thank you for your assistance in advance Peter Sisak Example reactions: NaH2AsO4 + MoO3 + H2O -> H3AsO4 + NaHMoO4 (Friedheim, Z anorg Chem, 2, 364 (1892)) CaC2O4 + Cl2 -> CaCl2 + 2 CO2 (de Coninck & Raynaud, Bull soc chim, 4, 9, 301 (1911)) H2S + O3 -> H2O + S + O2 (Olsen & Ulrich, J Ind Eng Chem, 6, 620 (1914)) Fe2O3*H2O + 5 CH3COOH -> Fe2(CH3COO)5OH + 3 H2O (Rosenheim & Muller, Z anorg Chem, 39, 175 (1904)) 2 Na3RhCl6 + 8 NaOH + Cl2 -> Rh2O3*4 H2O + NaOCl + 13 NaCl (Gilchrist, B S J Res,12, 284 (1934)) 2 Sm2(SO4)3 + 3 Na2SO4 + 6 H2O ->2 Sm2(SO4)3*3 Na2SO4*6 H2O (Keyes & James, J Am Chem Soc, 36, 637 (1914)) (CH3)2SnCl4(pyr)2 + H2S -> (CH3)2SnS + 2 pyrCl + 2 HCl (Pfeiffer, Ann., 376, 330 (1910)) 5 AgBrO3 + 3 Br2 + 3 H2O -> 5 AgBr + 6 HBrO3 (McCrosky & Buell, J Am Chem Soc, 42, 1786 (1920)) From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Dec 30 10:15:00 2016 From: "K.Radacki K.Radacki : uni-wuerzburg.de" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: A problem with frequency calculations by Gaussian Message-Id: <-52572-161230085619-31289-QlbAE0VdIWvL1uzbkJXZog#server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "K.Radacki" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------5D275F99BF5CBDD07F68DA3F" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 14:56:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "K.Radacki" [K.Radacki|*|uni-wuerzburg.de] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5D275F99BF5CBDD07F68DA3F Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've seen the same for a few transition metal complexes. I have contacted gaussian support and their answer was to update to sub-version e01, what we did. I have recomputed all erroneous jobs. In some cases the error disappeared, in some not. I contacted support again and this time the answer was "there is no easy solution...sorry". I've seen this error only for computations with additional Grimme's dispersion. Apparently there is an error in g09.d and .e01 implementation. Just that you know -- not all my calculations had ECPs. Some were for iron|*|def2svp. best wishes and prosperous New Year, Kris On 2016-12-29 22:40, Cina Foroutan-Nejad canyslopus##yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Sent to CCL by: "Cina Foroutan-Nejad" [canyslopus{}yahoo.co.uk] > Dear all: > > I am randomly getting an error while computing frequencies of an endohedral > [70]fullerene at B97D3/def2svp level by Gaussian 09 rev.D01 installed on a > machine with a Linux operating system. > Sometimes everything is absolutely fine but sometimes instead of force > constants, frequencies, and zero-point energies I get just "NaN" in the > output file. > Here is an example of a frequency: > Frequencies -- NaN NaN NaN > Red. masses -- NaN NaN NaN > Frc consts -- NaN NaN NaN > IR Inten -- NaN NaN NaN > Atom AN X Y Z X Y Z X Y Z > 1 6 NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN > NaN > 2 6 NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN > NaN > 3 6 NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN > NaN > .. > > Have you ever had the same problem? If yes, could you solve it? > It might be helpful to know that my system contains a heavy atom that I use > an ECP basis set for it. Furthermore, currently I am using ultrafine > integration grid. > I am looking forward to hearing from you. > > Happy new year (in advance!) > Cina> --------------5D275F99BF5CBDD07F68DA3F Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
I've seen the same for a few transition metal complexes.
I have contacted gaussian support and their answer was to update to sub-version e01, what we did.
I have recomputed all erroneous jobs. In some cases the error disappeared, in some not.
I contacted support again and this time the answer was "there is no easy solution...sorry".
I've seen this error only for computations with additional Grimme's dispersion. Apparently there is
an error in g09.d and .e01 implementation.

Just that you know -- not all my calculations had ECPs. Some were for iron|*|def2svp.


best wishes and prosperous New Year,
Kris


On 2016-12-29 22:40, Cina Foroutan-Nejad canyslopus##yahoo.co.uk wrote:
Sent to CCL by: "Cina  Foroutan-Nejad" [canyslopus{}yahoo.co.uk]
Dear all:

I am randomly getting an error while computing frequencies of an endohedral 
[70]fullerene at B97D3/def2svp level by Gaussian 09 rev.D01 installed on a 
machine with a Linux operating system.
Sometimes everything is absolutely fine but sometimes instead of force 
constants, frequencies, and zero-point energies I get just "NaN" in the 
output file.
Here is an example of a frequency:
Frequencies --         NaN                    NaN                    NaN
 Red. masses --         NaN                    NaN                    NaN
 Frc consts  --         NaN                    NaN                    NaN
 IR Inten    --         NaN                    NaN                    NaN
  Atom  AN      X      Y      Z        X      Y      Z        X      Y      Z
     1   6      NaN    NaN    NaN      NaN    NaN    NaN      NaN    NaN    
NaN
     2   6      NaN    NaN    NaN      NaN    NaN    NaN      NaN    NaN    
NaN
     3   6      NaN    NaN    NaN      NaN    NaN    NaN      NaN    NaN    
NaN
..

Have you ever had the same problem? If yes, could you solve it?
It might be helpful to know that my system contains a heavy atom that I use 
an ECP basis set for it. Furthermore, currently I am using ultrafine 
integration grid.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Happy new year (in advance!)
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--------------5D275F99BF5CBDD07F68DA3F-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Dec 30 18:59:00 2016 From: "Pezhman Zarabadi Poor pzarabadip .. gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: A problem with frequency calculations by Gaussian Message-Id: <-52573-161230184125-5418-MRROhva5d7CEKizadbssPw a server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Pezhman Zarabadi Poor Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f403045e3f4ad00fbe0544e8bc10 Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 17:41:13 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Pezhman Zarabadi Poor [pzarabadip---gmail.com] --f403045e3f4ad00fbe0544e8bc10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Dear Cina, I was going to tell use rev. E01 instead of D which I read Kris already used and still have problem. Herein, I am going to write my opinion about this error and I hope it might be useful: I would say NaN (Not a Number) error should not be generated randomly. This means that we have a meaningless (such as division by zero or getting square-root of x (while x < 0)) in the workflow which all can happen in force constant and frequency calculations. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to find out the source of error without having access to source code then I should disagree with the answer of Gaussian Tech. team to Kris, i.e. there is no easy solution. However, this is my suggestion that hopefully might solve the problem. You may use #P and run two simulations (with and without NaN problem) and compare the outputs. We need to look into the outputs for the data that will be used in frequency calculations. I hope you find the source of error that might be zero numbers which will be used further in the denominator of a division or negative numbers which will be used in sqrt function. Happy new year ;) My best, Pezhman On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Cina Foroutan-Nejad canyslopus##yahoo.co.uk wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: "Cina Foroutan-Nejad" [canyslopus{}yahoo.co.uk] > Dear all: > > I am randomly getting an error while computing frequencies of an endohedral > [70]fullerene at B97D3/def2svp level by Gaussian 09 rev.D01 installed on a > machine with a Linux operating system. > Sometimes everything is absolutely fine but sometimes instead of force > constants, frequencies, and zero-point energies I get just "NaN" in the > output file. > Here is an example of a frequency: > Frequencies -- NaN NaN NaN > Red. masses -- NaN NaN NaN > Frc consts -- NaN NaN NaN > IR Inten -- NaN NaN NaN > Atom AN X Y Z X Y Z X Y > Z > 1 6 NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN > NaN > 2 6 NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN > NaN > 3 6 NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN NaN > NaN > .. > > Have you ever had the same problem? If yes, could you solve it? > It might be helpful to know that my system contains a heavy atom that I use > an ECP basis set for it. Furthermore, currently I am using ultrafine > integration grid. > I am looking forward to hearing from you. > > Happy new year (in advance!) > Cina> > > -- Dr. Pezhman Zarabadi-Poor DGAPA Postdoctoral Fellow Institute of Chemistry National Autonomous University of Mexico (UNAM) Google Scholar Profile --f403045e3f4ad00fbe0544e8bc10 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Cina,=C2=A0

I was going to tell us= e rev. E01 instead of D which I read Kris already used and still have probl= em. Herein, I am going to write my opinion about this error and I hope it m= ight be useful:

I would say NaN (Not a Number) error shou= ld not be generated randomly. This means that we have a meaningless (such a= s division by zero or getting=C2=A0square-root of x (while x < 0)) in th= e workflow which all can happen in force constant and frequency calculation= s. Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to find out the source of error w= ithout having access to source code then I should=C2=A0disagree with the an= swer of Gaussian Tech. team to Kris, i.e. there is no easy solution.=C2=A0<= /div>

However, this is my suggestion that hopefully migh= t solve the problem. You may use #P and run two simulations (with and witho= ut NaN problem) and compare the outputs. We need to look into the outputs f= or the data that will be used in frequency calculations. I hope you find th= e source of error that might be zero numbers which will be used further in = the=C2=A0denominator of a division or negative numbers which will be used i= n sqrt function.

Happy new year ;)

<= /div>
My best,
Pezhman
=
On Thu, Dec 29, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Cina Forout= an-Nejad canyslopus##yahoo.co.uk <owner-chemistry%a%ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: "Cina=C2=A0 Foroutan-Nejad" [canyslopus{}yahoo.co.uk]
Dear all:

I am randomly getting an error while computing frequencies of an endohedral=
[70]fullerene at B97D3/def2svp level by Gaussian 09 rev.D01 installed on a<= br> machine with a Linux operating system.
Sometimes everything is absolutely fine but sometimes instead of force
constants, frequencies, and zero-point energies I get just "NaN" = in the
output file.
Here is an example of a frequency:
Frequencies --=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN
=C2=A0Red. masses --=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN
=C2=A0Frc consts=C2=A0 --=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN
=C2=A0IR Inten=C2=A0 =C2=A0 --=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0NaN=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN
=C2=A0 Atom=C2=A0 AN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 X=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Y=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Z=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 X=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Y=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Z=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 X=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Y=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Z
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01=C2=A0 =C2=A06=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Na= N=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Na= N=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN
NaN
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A02=C2=A0 =C2=A06=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Na= N=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Na= N=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN
NaN
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A03=C2=A0 =C2=A06=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Na= N=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Na= N=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NaN
NaN
..

Have you ever had the same problem? If yes, could you solve it?
It might be helpful to know that my system contains a heavy atom that I use=
an ECP basis set for it. Furthermore, currently I am using ultrafine
integration grid.
I am looking forward to hearing from you.

Happy new year (in advance!)
Cina



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