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Dear Netters,

I'm interested in a program called SCA - Structural Conformational Analysis.
It is distributed by QCPE, but that's not the point. I would like to learn
something about its principles and underlying methodology.
I know the articles in Tetrahedron, Vol. 37, 40 and 44 and in J.Org.Chem.,
Vol. 46 by P.J. DeClercq. I would be glad to hear about other publications,
since my search in Chemical Abstracts and Scientific Citation Index yielded
no result. Further publications were promised in one paper, but I know
the circumstances and problems in writing an article ... 

I wrote a letter to Prof. DeClercq (Does he has E-Mail?), but got little response.
So I want to ask if somebody has experience with the program and its background.
(Please do not recommend to order it from QCPE.) I will send a summary of the
answers to this list.

Thanks in advance,
Thomas 



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A short while ago I requested information on code to perform CI 
calculations on atoms.  Apart from programs such as GAMESS and 
GAUSSIAN which include CI facilities there are dedicated CI programs
available.  Attached are some of the responses that I received.



*************************************************************************

I think, in order to asses the behaviour of any method of production
calculations, performing a few full-CI ones as benchmarks could be 
very
useful - even if this is rather expensive and is possible for 
relatively
small basis sets only. The full-CI program of Knowles and Handy [P.J.
Knowles and N.C. Handy, Chem. Phys. Lett. 111, 315 (1984); Computer
Phys. Commun. 54, 75 (1989) - the former describes the algorithm, the
latter is the publication of the program] is able to produce one or
a few lowest eigenvalues and eigenvectors for the full CI, including
ions, triplets etc. Analyzing these solutions you may decide what 
terms
are really important, and so on, and this may help to select the 
proper
method. (Not an easy task.)

        Good luck!

                 ccl@cric.chemres.hu (Istvan Mayer)

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From:             David Heisterberg <djh@ccl.net>

Although the MOTECC group in IBM has been more or less dissolved,
you might try your IBM rep. to see if you can get a copy of ATOMCI.
It's written by Sasaki, Sekiya, Noro, Ohtsuki, and Osanai of the
Hokkaido University.

Dave Heisterberg

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From:             hans.lischka@itc.univie.ac.at (Hans Lischka)

You can try our COLUMBUS program for carrying out atomic CI 
calculations.
It is a general molecular code to carry out MRCISD calculations using 
symmetry

up to D2h. But atomic calculations are of course also possible. The 
Vienna
version of Columbus is located at our anonymous ftp server 
ftp.itc.univie.ac.a
t.
Look into the directory pub/quant/COLUMBUS where you will find a 
compressed
tar file columbus.new.date.tar.Z ('date' stands for the most recent 
date).
After decompressing and de-taring the file look into the file 
README.NEW
for more instructions.

Best regards

Hans Lischka

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Department of Physics 
University of the Witwatersrand
P O Wits 2050
Johannesburg
South Africa
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Dear one and all,
                 I am looking for public domain MM code on behalf of a
former supervisor, who wants to modify to incorporate various modes of
transition metal bonding (for non-commercial reasons I might add).
I would appreciate it if anyone could contact me with any suggestions
or indeed real code so that I might pass it on.  I have already looked
on www.ccl.net, but I don't think that MD programs like
Moldy are a good starting place, since I believe that idea is that a
computer science student will be doing the modifications as a Part II
project.  I think that maybe even some MM2 code might suffice since
the metal-ligand interactions will probably not be described by any
really exotic terms.
          Your help much apreciated.
              Cheers,
                     Dave

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CCP1 Study Weekend

Quantum Mechanics of Large Systems: Dynamics and Hybrid
Methods

Date:     Dinner Thurs. 22 June to Lunch Sat.  24 June

(The CCP1 meeting directly follows the meeting (organised
by Dr. C. Thompson) on "Theoretical Calculations in
Cancer Research: Progress and Prospects (18-21 Jun.),
also in St. Andrews which may also be of interest).

Application and Registration:  Deadline 1 June 1995

Venue:    The University of St. Andrews, Fife Scotland

Scope of Meeting:

Approximately every two years, the UK CCP1 (Colaborative
Computational Project 1: Electronic Structure Methods)
organises a "Study Weekend".  These are very informal
meetings (maximum 45 participants) that are organised
around topics that may form the basis of future
collaborative work in CCP1.   The previous meeting (2
years ago) was organized on Density Functional Theory.

The meeting this year in St. Andrews is focussed on
methods  for studying  structure and dynamics that may be
applicable to large molecules.   Thus the scope of the
meeting ranges from "direct dynamics" methods that might
be applied at an ab-initio or semi-empirical level,
through to hybrid methods that involve mixed QM/MM
approaches to methods that involve parameterized
potentials.

Speaker				Topic

J. Evanseck (Miami)		The Forces which Drive the
				Molecular Shuttle

M. Field (Grenoble)		Molecular Dynamics with Ab
				Initio  Potentials

J. Gao (Buffalo)		Hybrid Methods


T. Helgaker (Oslo)		Direct Integration of ab initio
				Molecular Trajectories

I. Hillier (Manchester)		Use of Hybrid Methods to Model Condensed
				Phase Structure and Reactivity

P. Lyme (Oxford)		Hybrid Methods


P. Sherwood (Daresbury)		Hybrid Methods for the Study of 
				Organometallic Reactivity

A. Warshel (Los  Angeles)	Calculating Chemical Processes in
				Solution and Proteins

I. Williams (Bath)		Theoretical Modelling of Glycoside
				Hydrolysis


Registration enquiries and application forms to be sent
to Phil Young, Daresbury Laboratory,  Daresbury,
Warrington, WA4 4AD

e-mail pey@dl.ac.uk
phone +44-(0)1925-603657   fax +44-(0)1925-603634


Informal enquiries to Professor M. A. Robb, Chemistry Department,
King's College, London, Strand, London WC2R 2LS

e-mail    m.a.robb@kcl.ac.uk
phone     +44-(0)171-873-2098 fax +44-(0)172-873-2810

*************************************************************************
CCP1 Study Weekend

Quantum Mechanics of Large Systems: Dynamics and Hybrid Methods

Registration Form 


NAME:____________________________________________


ADDRESS: ________________________________________
         ________________________________________
         ________________________________________
         ________________________________________


TEL No: ___________________


FAX. No: ___________________


EMAIL:   ___________________


Study Weekend Fee:					GBP 130.00	
(Includes accomdation, tea/coffee breaks, all meals
 and special conference dinner)

(If any special dietary requirements, please indicate)

_____________________________________________________

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Dear one and all,
                Second and last post for the day.  I understand that
HyperChem has MNDO, AM1 and PM3 params for transition metals yet I have
not seen that many in the literature.  Have I missed a huge collection of
them or are the the HyperChem params "proprietary", in which case how
can their use be justified in publication?
              Once again comments appreciated.
                 Cheers,
                     Dave


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Hi there.  Is anybody aware of the existence of d6-d7
mixed valence compounds of Co(II)-Co(III)?  We would
appreciate names/references.  Thanks very much,

Mary Jo Ondrechen

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Hello everybody!

Please help us.  Is there a reference work which tabulates
the Raman frequencies of inorganic compounds?  We are seeking
the A1g Raman frequencies of some simple octahedral 
complexes.  A few are in Nakamoto's book, and we've found a
few the old-fashioned way, digging through the literature.

Does anybody know an easier way?  Is there a database, or a
collected reference source?

Thanks very much.  If anyone has knowledge of such sources,
we would appreciate it.

Thanks very much,

Mary Jo Ondrechen

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> From: <D.W.Price@reading.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 4 May 95 12:14:12 BST
> Subject: CCL:semi-empirical params for transition metals.
> 
>                 Second and last post for the day.  I understand that
> HyperChem has MNDO, AM1 and PM3 params for transition metals yet I have
> not seen that many in the literature.  Have I missed a huge collection of
> them or are the the HyperChem params "proprietary", in which case how
> can their use be justified in publication?

The parameters that are distributed with HyperChem all come from articles
in respected refereed journals.  Our MNDO parameters include data for atoms
through Cl, less noble gases, Na and Mg, plus Ge and I; AM1 parameters 
through Cl, less noble gases, Na and Mg, plus Zn, Ge, Br, and I; PM3 
parameters through Cl, less noble gases, Li, B, and Na, plus Zn through
Br and Cd through I.  The ZINDO/1 parameters cover the periodic table
through Cl, less noble gases, plus K through Zn and Y through Cd.

So if by "transition metals" you mean the d-block elements, we don't
have MNDO, AM1, or PM3 parameters for those; they can be modelled by
ZINDO/1.  Any element through iodine can be handled by at least one of
the semi-empirical models, with the exceptions of Rb and Sr.  All of the
literature references are in the appropriate chapters of the _Computational 
Chemistry_ book that comes with HyperChem, and I suppose that I could 
compile that information on request.  (I think I'd want to check with
my boss before I'd distribute such a list freely.)

Regards,
Joel

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Dear Readers,

Presumably a trivial question for you CCL-ers, but does anyone know of a
program/algorithm which I can use to generate a random distribution of water
molecules in X solvation layers around a (small) molecule?

Any pointer to this subject is much appreciated.

Nick



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> Date: Sun, 3 May 1998 23:03:19 +0900
> From: wong@chem.chemistry.uq.oz.au (Richard Wong)
> Subject: CCL:summary (II): teaching material for computational chemistry
> and some more standard computer engines.
> 
> >From Dan Thomas (CHMTHOM@vm.uoguelph.ca )
> 
> programs (we used Hyperchem from AutoDesk).  Hence I
> 
> From: ranck@albert.etown.edu (John P. Ranck)
> activities and development are related to the molecular modeling program
> HyperChem by Autodesk, Inc.

These, and several other respondents, referred to HyperChem.  While we're
very pleased that our software is being used in this way, I'd like to point
out that HyperChem is by Hypercube, not by AutoDesk.  Our products were
licensed to them for distribution but this is no longer the case.  They no
longer sell nor support our products; for information, support, etc.,
people should contact us directly if we do not have a local distributor.

Regards,
Joel

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Subject: Personal Structure/Bioassay/Inventory DB's
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Dear CCL'ers,

We'd like to ask everyone for their experiences and recommendations as
to what solutions/programs people have come up with for creation and
management of personal and project-oriented chemical databases.  This
means that the number of compounds in the database would typically be
up to a few hundred or maybe 1000.  Such a database (system) would ideally
- allow storage and search of 2D chemical structures, numerical data
  such as bioassay results and inventory data, textual data such as 
  comments and planned steps in a project, reference data such as 
  literature references etc.  A really *good* system would allow 
  intelligent handling of semi-quantitative data such as "IC50 > 100uM"
  for the purposes of queries, sorting etc.;
- allow "upward linking", i.e. to molecular modeling (programs).  It
  may, but need not, be a module of a molecular modeling package;
- allow "horizontal linking", i.e. to other, larger-scale database
  systems such as Oracle or INGRESS;
- allow "downward linking", i.e. to word processing, DTP and similar
  programs for the purpose of manuscript and presentation preparation.
  It should at least allow printing of publication-quality output such
  as tables containing 2D structures etc., but should ideally allow to
  create, e.g., PostScript files and/or export output to the common 
  word processor formats such as WordPerfect, Word etc. [this is a 
  very important requirement for what *our* group is looking for];
- be available on, and allow seamless data transfer between, the
  platforms/OS's Unix, PC's (DOS(?) / Windows / OS/2), Mac's;
- be easy to install, maintain, and use even for a non-database expert;
  in particular, the database definition (number, order, name of columns,
  type of data etc.) should be easily changeable as the project evolves;
- be as low-cost as possible, or even an outright public domain program.
We are of course aware of a number of programs that fulfill at least
some of the above requirements, a few of them having been around for
quite some time; but even if they are "just" a module in a chemical 
information of molecular modeling package, they tend to be quite, if not
very, expensive.
   A search in the CCL archives turned up a few summary postings on
similar questions about 1 1/2 years ago.  So we wondered whether people
have come up with anything new in the meantime.
   Answers from commercial companies are certainly welcome, but we are
especially interested to hear from individual researches or small groups
who might have implemented a solution (for example by basing a system
on "low-end", and low-cost, commercial programs for Windows or Mac's)
that might be easily duplicated by others.  Of course, if such a 
solution would be available in the public domain, even better....

   I will summarize for the Net if I get useful answers.

   Marc C. Nicklaus

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From: "Craig Shelley" <craigs@softshell.com>
Subject: Re: CCL-Personal Structure/B
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        Reply to:   RE>CCL:Personal Structure/Bioassay/I
Entropy from SoftShell will ship in late May.  It is intended for personal or
small project databases and fits most of your requirements.  The price is $599
business, $399 academic or government, $99 student.  It requires our structure
drawing programs, ChemIntosh or ChemWindow, .  

- allow storage and search of 2D chemical structures, numerical data
  such as bioassay results and inventory data, textual data such as 
  comments and planned steps in a project, reference data such as 
  literature references etc.  A really *good* system would allow 
  intelligent handling of semi-quantitative data such as "IC50 > 100uM"
  for the purposes of queries, sorting etc.;

>>It should satisfy these needs, or at least most of them - it is not entirely
clear to me based on this comment.

- allow "upward linking", i.e. to molecular modeling (programs).  It
  may, but need not, be a module of a molecular modeling package;

>> You can save structures as MDL molfiles that can be transferred to many
molecular modeling packages.  It also supports SCF, a nonproprietary chemistry
standard that we are glad to share with others.

- allow "horizontal linking", i.e. to other, larger-scale database
  systems such as Oracle or INGRESS;

>> It cannot do this in the first release.  MDL SDfiles can be imported into
Entropy.

- allow "downward linking", i.e. to word processing, DTP and similar
  programs for the purpose of manuscript and presentation preparation.
  It should at least allow printing of publication-quality output such
  as tables containing 2D structures etc., but should ideally allow to
  create, e.g., PostScript files and/or export output to the common 
  word processor formats such as WordPerfect, Word etc. [this is a 
  very important requirement for what *our* group is looking for];

>> Yes.  This is what we specialize in.

- be available on, and allow seamless data transfer between, the
  platforms/OS's Unix, PC's (DOS(?) / Windows / OS/2), Mac's;

>> Available for Windows and Macintosh.  The Entropy file format is the same for
both platforms.  The files can be transferred or placed on servers accessible to
both Window and Macintosh computers.

- be easy to install, maintain, and use even for a non-database expert;
  in particular, the database definition (number, order, name of columns,
  type of data etc.) should be easily changeable as the project evolves;

>> We have tried to make this product simple.  We had 400 Entropy beta testers
that were very helpful.  Entropy excels at creating databases without formatting
too.

- be as low-cost as possible, or even an outright public domain program.

>> It's not free.  No matter how simple a database program is, you invest time
in creating the data for it.  Would you really want an unsupported product that
you invest a significant amount of time in?

For information on Entropy or our spring catalog of chemistry products, send
email to info@softshell.com.  Please don't send general information requests to
me.

Craig Shelley, President
SoftShell
craigs@softshell.com






From TANG@kitten.chem.uh.edu  Thu May  4 18:48:22 1995
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Date: Thu, 4 May 1995 17:33:49 -0500 (CDT)
From: "H. Tang (UH-Chem)" <TANG@kitten.chem.uh.edu>
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Subject: contour plot program


Hi, there,

Could anyone please give me some info as to where I can get a plotting
program (in Fortran or C) that can draw 2-D molecular orbital contour
map for MO's with STO basis set (including d orbitals)?  Ideally such a
program can show 2-d orbital contour maps on X-window screen and
optionally output such images into postscript file for printing.  I
would very much like to have something like PLTORB that comes with
GAMESS package, but unfortuantely that PLTORB doesn't take Slater-type d
orbitals as basis functions. 

Thanks a lot in advance for any info.

Huang TANG

