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From: Ernst-Udo Wallenborn <wall@phys.chem.ethz.ch>
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998, Davide Proserpio wrote:
>I am looking for a program that can input simple or double
>zeta slater type orbitals (the one used in extended Huckel calculations)
>and give be the best gaussian expansion (4, 6 or more functions).




You may wish to have a look at 

Lopez et al, J. Chim. Phys. _84_ 695 (1987)
Rico et al, Collect. Czech. Chem. Comm. _53_ 2250 (1987)
V.R. Saunders.  Computational Techniques in Quantum Chemistry and
   Molecular Physics, G.H.F. Diercksen, B.T. Sutcliffe and A. Veillard,
   Eds. (D. Reidel, Boston, 1975) 347-392.
Rico et al, Comp. Phys. Comm. _105_ 216 (1997)




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ETH Zuerich


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On Tue, 21 Jul 1998 Kynn O. Jones wrote:

>For my research, I typically have several versions of any my code that
>I work with concurrently.  (Each version, of course, perforsm a
>different task).  The source files for these versions differ from each
>other in relatively minor ways, but yet substantially enough that it
>would be too confusing to merge them all into a single source and use
>preprocessor switches to differentiate among the various versions.
>
>Needless to say, it quickly becomes difficult to keep track of all
>these similar source files.  I have heard repeatedly, both from
>scientific and "non-scientific" programmers that RCS is *the* tool to
>take care of this situation, but hard as I've tried, I've never
[snip]

Well, I would say RCS is not _the_ tool to use. You should sreiously look at
CVS at www.cyclic.com. That is like RCS for a full source repository instead of
single files.
It will still have most of the problems you described in you message, but
anyhow, why don't you split your programs into common and distinguished parts
anyhow ? Think about your projects design once more, porbably ? If you can
change that, you might go an much easier way than hacking rcs or cvs.

Greetings,
Jochen
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 Greetings all,
 
 Does anybody know where the derivatives of the density matrix with respect
 to nuclear X,Y,Z are stored in G-92 or G-94. Actually I have been
 wandering in l1002.F without any success. All I managed to get was the
 derivatives with respect to the electric field. 
 
 Thanks for your time and Help. 
 
 


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Hi all,

Excuse me for my asking this off topic question. I'm willing to
install a video conference system using a PC and a modem, which will
be used for video communications between Europe and US.

Can anybody inform me what I should prepare for that?  What I guess now
is that I need a good PC with sound card, graphic card, digital camera, 
and a fast modem.  But what else do I need in the hardware side?  What
softwares are needed and how can I make the connection for the PC video
conference? 

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

tp



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> I have a 3-D space and can calculate the value of the function
> at any sets of points in the space that I choose.  I must
> calculate the gradient of my function.  Can anybody give me 
> some pointers about the best way to do this (both in terms of
> comnputational efficiency and accuracy)?  Is it best to take

It all depends on your needs. Here are the options:

- Finite differences. This requires nothing but the possibility
  to calculate your function at any point, but it is an approximation.
  You can then either calculate your function at every point on
  a rectangular grid, and then take the derivatives all over
  the grid, or you can evaluate the function around a given point
  as needed. For an implementation of the first approach, for
  rectangular but not necessarily equidistant grids, see
    http://starship.skyport.net/crew/hinsen/Interpolation.py
  (that's in Python).

- Analytic derivatives. That gives the best accuracy and
  usually also efficiency, but it requires you to know the
  functional form of your function analytically. If you
  are distracted by the hard work of calculating derivatives,
  computer algebra packages like Mathematica or Maple could
  be of use.

- Automatic derivatives. That's an intermediate strategy,
  which calculates the analytic derivative numerically
  by applying the chain rule implicitly. It works for all
  functions that can be written in terms of a set of elementary
  functions whose derivatives are known analytically.
  For an implementation, see
    http://starship.skyport.net/crew/hinsen/Derivatives.py
  (that's in Python as well).
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     I think I have all the things you mentioned on my PC. I have not got
that to work though, probably because the other side of my "conference" is 
having problems.

daquan
      
   

On Tue, 21 Jul 1998, Park, Tae-Yun wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Excuse me for my asking this off topic question. I'm willing to
> install a video conference system using a PC and a modem, which will
> be used for video communications between Europe and US.
> 
> Can anybody inform me what I should prepare for that?  What I guess now
> is that I need a good PC with sound card, graphic card, digital camera, 
> and a fast modem.  But what else do I need in the hardware side?  What
> softwares are needed and how can I make the connection for the PC video
> conference? 
> 
> Any information would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> tp
> 
> 
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From Krys.Radacki@ac.rwth-aachen.de  Tue Jul 21 16:19:45 1998
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At 02:48 PM 17.07.1998 +0900, you wrote:
>Dear Sir:
>
>        I ask about the following.
>
>(1)  The optimization using x,y,z coordinates is faster than that using
>internal coordinates.
>
>(2)  Do you experience that the optimization using x,y,z coordinates
>converges  unexpected optimized structure ?   The optimization using
>internal coordinates is more safe than the optimization using x,y,z
>coordinates ?
>
I would say in both question contrary. Imternal coordinates are faster
(useing symmetry and reduced amounts of variable like all 3 bonds on Me)
but not always stable (good exp. if in Gaussian you will have angle near 0
or 180 degree).

regards
           Krzys Radacki

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  Just one comment, it seems you have got more than enough money for
"one" work station. 

Daquan


On Thu, 16 Jul 1998, Hui-Hsu (Gavin) Tsai wrote:

> Dear Computational Chemists:
> 
>    We consider to buy one delicate workstation to perform 
> ab initio calculations (Becke3LYP/6-31G** level with geometry optimization
> and vibration calculations) of metalloporphyrins (at least 45 heavy atoms).
> 
>    I do not know what kind of workstations is excellent to do these
> calculations now because the computer techniques progress very fast.
> Has anyone comments or suggestions in purchasing the workstation to perform
> these large-scale calculations. 
> Our budget is about $60000.00. Any comment, experience, and suggestion is
> welcomed.
> 
> Thanks a lot.
> 
> Gavin Tsai
> Case Western Reserve University
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Is there anything on solvation free energies of nucleic acids?

Laurence

At 01:04 AM 7/15/98 -0400, C.F. Matta wrote:
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>
>
>Dear Yongxing,
>
> Experimental free energies of transfer of the amino acids side-chains
>from the vapor phase to aqueous phase (pH 7) can be found in:
>R. Wolfenden, L. Andersson, P. M. Cullis, and C. C. B. Southgate
>"Affinities of Amino Acid Side Chains for Solvent Water", Biochemistry 20,
>1981, pp.849-855.
>
>   Take care.
>
> Cherif Matta
> Graduate student
> Chemistry Department
> McMaster University
> Hamilton, Ontario
> Canada L8S 4M1 
>
>On Fri, 10 Jul 1998, Yongxing Liu wrote:
>
>> 
>> Dear Friends, 
>> 
>>  I would like to know if there is some information about experimental
>> solvation free energy results for biomacromolecules(peptides, proteins,
DNAs
>> and RNAs). Please e-mail any resources from which I can get the related
data. 
>> 
>> Thanks a lot in advance
>> 
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        Mirek Sopek <sopekmir@mako.com.pl>,
        Donald G Truhlar <truhlar@t1.chem.umn.edu>,
        Christopher J Cramer <cramer@chemsun.chem.umn.edu>,
        "Marion O'Leary" <moleary@csus.edu>, Paul Berti <berti@aecom.yu.edu>,
        Mike Schmidt <mike@si.fi.ameslab.gov>,
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A new release of our program for calculations of isotope effects from 
quantum-chemical results is now available at: 
http://ck-sg/isoeff/isoeff.html
The major improvement over previous versions is the addition of routines 
which allow the user to change force constants for selected internal 
coordinates and to see the effect of these changes on the calculated 
isotope effects (like in the BEBOVIB but at the quantum-chemical level).
********************************************************************************
                    Prof. Dr. Hab. Piotr Paneth               
Department of Chemistry (I-19)            phone: (+48-42) 631-3199
Technical University of Lodz                fax: (+48-42) 636-5008 
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I am forwarding this message for my boss. Please send *all replies* to
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Dear Collegues,

        I am looking for a candidate for a POSTDOCTORAL POSITION in my
group.

Research area: Quantum chemical studies of the reaction mechanismen of
transition metal catalyzed
processes.

Requirements: Ph.D. in Theoretical/Computational Chemistry. Experience in
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Sorry for misleading address. It is:
 http://ck-sg.p.lodz.pl/isoeff/isoeff.html
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                    Prof. Dr. Hab. Piotr Paneth               
Department of Chemistry (I-19)            phone: (+48-42) 631-3199
Technical University of Lodz                fax: (+48-42) 636-5008 
Zeromskiego 116, 90-924 Lodz, Poland     E-mail: paneth@ck-sg.p.lodz.pl



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Hello Berry,

This is a loaded question because solid fuels come in a variety
of forms and compositions.  They also have different burn 
characteristics based upon the thermochemistry involved, the type
of fuel, and shape of fuel grains.

There is also the enthalpy to consider, sometimes called the Q reaction.
Heat of fusion and vaporization must also be considered.  

You can attempt to predict the products of combustion with the
Equilibrium Constant method, or with the Minimization of Free Energy 
method.  Both of these examine the change in heat of reaction and use 
our friend PV = nrT. ( Note there are 3 equations a good physicist never 
forgets: PV = nrT, E =  1/2kt , and F = Gamma*ma + qE from these just
about every useful equation known to mankind can be derived! )

So, it really does depend upon what are your reactants, how will they 
burn, i.e. pressure and geometry of burn, the binder in the propellant, 
and a little statistical analysis.

I would love to discuss this offline with you.  I am currently involved 
in hybrid engines ( N20 + fuel ).  I'm also a HAM operator.  My call
sign is KE6WBO.  I don't have a rig at the moment, but I do amature TV 
telemtry from rockets.  I'm invlovled in a project to place a 12" hybrid 
about 200mi up, and downlink telemtry via video overlay.

If you are serious, I would love to discuss fuel propulsion and
reactions.  Best bet contact me at blackfu2@aol.com.  I'm using 
hanging out on AOL.

Jonathan 

p.s.  You may want to ask Thom Stark.  He knows far more than anyone 
I have ever heard of studying rocket propulsion and propellant mixtures.

BARRY BITTINGER SR. wrote:
> 
> I respectfully  request your input into my concerns about what chemicals
> are emitted in the smoke of thermal chemical fuel, specifically solid
> rocket fuel, when all these chemicals are burned together at one time?
>         atomized aluminm powder (fuel) 16%
>          ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer) 69.83%
>         iron oxide powder (catalyst) 17% (varies)
>         polybutadiene acrylic acid acrylonitrite (binder) 12% AKA
>         carbonated polyester
>         epoxy curing agent 2%
> Thank you very much. I would appreciate feedback.
> 
>        From Barry W. Bittinger Sr.
> 
>         SCIENCELINK@webtv.net
> 
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Hello Berry,

This is a loaded question because solid fuels come in a variety
of forms and compositions.  They also have different burn 
characteristics based upon the thermochemistry involved, the type
of fuel, and shape of fuel grains.

There is also the enthalpy to consider, sometimes called the Q reaction.
Heat of fusion and vaporization must also be considered.  

You can attempt to predict the products of combustion with the
Equilibrium Constant method, or with the Minimization of Free Energy 
method.  Both of these examine the change in heat of reaction and use 
our friend PV = nrT. ( Note there are 3 equations a good physicist never 
forgets: PV = nrT, E =  1/2kt , and F = Gamma*ma + qE from these just
about every useful equation known to mankind can be derived! )

So, it really does depend upon what are your reactants, how will they 
burn, i.e. pressure and geometry of burn, the binder in the propellant, 
and a little statistical analysis.

I would love to discuss this offline with you.  I am currently involved 
in hybrid engines ( N20 + fuel ).  I'm also a HAM operator.  My call
sign is KE6WBO.  I don't have a rig at the moment, but I do amature TV 
telemtry from rockets.  I'm invlovled in a project to place a 12" hybrid 
about 200mi up, and downlink telemtry via video overlay.

If you are serious, I would love to discuss fuel propulsion and
reactions.  Best bet contact me at blackfu2@aol.com.  I'm using 
hanging out on AOL.

Jonathan 

p.s.  You may want to ask Thom Stark.  He knows far more than anyone 
I have ever heard of studying rocket propulsion and propellant mixtures.

BARRY BITTINGER SR. wrote:
> 
> I respectfully  request your input into my concerns about what chemicals
> are emitted in the smoke of thermal chemical fuel, specifically solid
> rocket fuel, when all these chemicals are burned together at one time?
>         atomized aluminm powder (fuel) 16%
>          ammonium perchlorate (oxidizer) 69.83%
>         iron oxide powder (catalyst) 17% (varies)
>         polybutadiene acrylic acid acrylonitrite (binder) 12% AKA
>         carbonated polyester
>         epoxy curing agent 2%
> Thank you very much. I would appreciate feedback.
> 
>        From Barry W. Bittinger Sr.
> 
>         SCIENCELINK@webtv.net
> 
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On Mon, 20 Jul 1998 16:45:37 -0700 (PDT)  ross@cgl.ucsf.edu wrote:

> CVS may be the answer ...  It may not handle the desired parallel
> versions though.

It doesn't.

> At the very least, I'd encourage all linearly-oriented
> RCS users to go to CVS.

I agree with this -- I have been using CVS since the late 1980s and I
think it is much superior to raw RCS, even if you're the only
developer on the project.
--
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Dear Sir:

        I summarized x,y,z vs. internal coordinates.

Masao Masamura
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Okayama University Dental School
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Okayama 700
Japan
FAX: 81-86-235-6714
e-mail: ep7@dent.okayama-u.ac.jp 

<my question 1>

        I ask about the following.

(1)  The optimization using x,y,z coordinates is faster than that using
internal coordinates.

(2)  Do you experience that the optimization using x,y,z coordinates
converges  unexpected optimized structure ?   The optimization using
internal coordinates is more safe than the optimization using x,y,z
coordinates ?

        Thank you.

<responce 1-1>

> (1)  The optimization using x,y,z coordinates is faster than that using
> internal coordinates.

No, generally not. Because in internal coord. you optimize 3N-6
variables, whereas in xyz you have 3N.

> 
> (2)  Do you experience that the optimization using x,y,z coordinates
> converges  unexpected optimized structure ?   The optimization using
> internal coordinates is more safe than the optimization using x,y,z
> coordinates ?

Yes and no. For cyclic systems or bigger molecules, a little deviation
of one variable like an angle can cause big distortions of your
molecule. For example, since C1 and C6 in a 6-membered ring are not
"connected", changing the dihedral 2-3-4-5 by 50 causes a relativily
great change in bond length for C1-C6. 

There are more types of coordinates like the redundant internal
coordinates used in Gaussian. There is also a neverending debate about
the "right" ones.
See their manual at www.gaussian.com for references.

-- 
                                Andreas Goeller

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                               Friedrich-Schiller-Universitaet
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email: goeller@organik.uni-erlangen.de
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<my question 2>

       I would like to ask about the following.

(1)  The redundant internal coordinates is more reliable ?
(2)  What is www.gaussian.com ?
(3)  The optimization using the redundant internal coordinates is faster
than the optimization using x,y,z coordinates ?

<responce 2-1>

> (1)  The redundant internal coordinates is more reliable ?

They say so. These coord. have the advantage of being redundant, i.e., 
there are achieved additional coord. from your input., so the system can
change to other coord. during opt.
> (2)  What is www.gaussian.comwww.gaussian.com ?
http://www.gaussian.com
> (3)  The optimization using the redundant internal coordinates is faster
> than the optimization using x,y,z coordinates ?
More likely leeding to convergence I would think
> 

<responce 1-2>

About the second item I have no experience, although it sounds a bit strange.
However, for the first one, I can say that generally it is the opposite and
optimization in the internal coordinates are much faster than cartesian
coordinates. For some special cases, however, it is not straightforward to set
up a suitable internal coordinate set which can be properly used during the
optimization and one has to use the XYZ coordinates (or redundant internal
coordinates, if implemented).

<responce 1-3>

I have heard arguments on both sides. One the one hand,
optimization steps taken in torsion space are thought by
many to follow more closely the natural low energy pathways
in molecules, or at least in proteins. This argument seems to 
be backed up by recent numerical experiments in Ruben Abagyan's group:

Abagyan R.A. and Totrov, M.M. J. Mol. Bio 235 (1994) 983

(which admittedly I have not read), in which they measure how 
far one can move away from a local minimum and still return via
optimization.

Others argue that by restricting the conformational search
to torsion space, the energy barriers are made higher
and the search space becomes "topologically" more complex
as a result. Note that the ECEPP forcefield used by Abagyan
has adjusted torsional barrier heights, supposedly to 
compensate for this.

Personally, I think this is comparing apples with oranges until
someone can perform an optimization in ALL internal coordinates
(including bends, stretches etc. but excluding redundant coordinates)
so that the number of degrees of freedom are the same. I suspect,
however, that internal coords will win for the reasons stated above.
Anybody know of a progam that can do FULL internal coordinate 
optimization?


Richard Gillilan
Cornell Theory Center

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Cartesian  <-> internal coordinates:
This question has to be answered with is clear
"It depends".

Usually cartesian coordinates introduces a great
deal of undesired couplings. One may get rid of them
by choosing the right internal coordinates.
My experience is that nothing can beat a well-chosen
Z-matrix. Other internal coordinate systems, e.g.
Pulays natural internal coordinates compare also very
well in the literature.
However, the choice of the coordinate system depends
-at least in my view- entirely on two things:

1. The nature of the molecule one wishes to optimize.
   Establishing a Z-matrix for polycyclic systems is a
   nightmare that nobody really wants to go through.
   Some people claim that it is impossible to compose 
   a good Z-matrix for such a system. So if the only two
   options available are cartesians and Z-matrix AND the
   molecule is unpleasantly complex, cartesians
   should be preferred. 
   In agreement with this, many papers mention that cartesians
   are superior to anything else for polycyclic molecules.
   However, these statements are NOT independent of 2.)

2. The quality of the initial Hessian that is available.
   Because of the couplings they introduce, cartesians do
   in general not have the best reputation. However,
   Baker and Hehre showed that if a good approximation to the Hessian
   is available, cartesians perform comparably to other
   sets of internal coordinates. They also stress, that for
   FLEXIBLE polycyclic systems (whatever that may be) they found
   the performance of cartesian coordinates to be below internal
   coordinates.

A few of the relevant references are:
J.Baker and W.J. Hehre, J.Comp.Chem. 12, 606 (1991)
J.Baker, J.Comp.Chem. 14, 1085 (1993)
J.Baker and D.Bergeron, J.Comp.Chem. 14, 1339 (1993)
P.Pulay and G.Fogarasi, J.Chem.Phys. 96, 2856 (1991)

 
 Hope this helps,
 Folke


Folke Noertemann
Lehrstuhl f. Theoret. Chemie
TU Muenchen
noertema@theochem.tu-muenchen.de


