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On Mit, 28 Jul 1999 Gavin Tsai wrote:

> Is there any one can give me any suggestion or advice for the
> degenerate = eigensystem?

In case of a double degenerate eigenvalue, aren't any two linear
combinations that span a two-dimensional vector-space eigenvectors of the
system as well ?

So how do ou know what "are" the correct eigenvalues ?

-- Jochen
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Hi alltogether

Can anyone recommend a force field program which is able to carry out
calculations on molecules like Indole, Indene, Carbazole?

Thanks in advance

Thomas

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Hi alltogether,

I investigate clusters normally consisting of two to three molecules.
But sometimes generation of clusters works well and sometimes not
depending on the molecules I use. I think the problem is the process of
creation the clusters during the expansion in the nozzle which depends
probably on the geometry of the nozzle. Does anyone have
an idea with respect to this problem or does anybody know a reference
referring to this?

Thanks in advance

Thomas

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Hi ccl'ers
Does anyone know how to make contact with a MOPAC 2000 dealer?
I already try the homeage of Fujitsu for MOPAC 2000 and the hp of the
Schroedinger Inc too, send mails etc etc, and I don't receive a single
response.
Could anyone please give me a mail where they read my questions?

Thanks

Antonio Luiz Oliveira de Noronha   -   noronha@dedalus.lcc.ufmg.br
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I'd like to announce the release of JChemPaint v0.4

JChemPaint is a Java program for drawing 2D chemical structures like
those found in most chemistry textbooks. Its GUI is based on the Swing
tool kit. The program is developed as an Open Source
Project and released under GNU General Public License. The code should
be considered pre-alpha quality, but there are enough features
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JChemPaint development is coordinated by Christoph Steinbeck and his
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Version 0.4 now features one-click condensation of rings using
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The program currently supports: 

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More information as well as a download option can be found on
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People a sought to join the development of JChemPaint.

JChemPaint is associated with the OpenScience project
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Thanks to those of you who took the time to reply, summary is as follows

The current and soon to be available (MOPAC2000) versions of MOPAC seem to
work for periodic systems.

As for heavier elements, the new version of MOPAC (MOPAC2000) is set up for
inclusion of d-electrons, however in the next release there seem to be few
elements parameterised, "It has Thiel's MNDO_d and also has Ag
and Cu for AM1_d." I don't know if there are any other sources of
parameters for MOPAC - if you know then please pass the information on. You
can find out more about the new version of MOPAC on
http://www.fujitsu.co.jp/hypertext/softinfo/product/indust/winmopac/mo
pac2000/index_e.html

There are also parameters for PM3 in Spartan which seem to cover a little
bit more of the transition series.

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Dear CCLers,

 I have found some problems with the calculation of B3LYP frequencies.
Thus, for
the optimized LiH at B3LYP/3-21G level (internuclear distance = 1.6297
Angstroms), numerical computations indicate a positive frequency of
1398.9861 cm-1. Instead, analytical calculations yield an imaginary
(negative) frequency of
-1024.1595 cm-1.
 The analytical vibrational analysis of other structures optimized at
B3LYP level by using different basis sets present very large numbers of
imaginary (negative)
frequencies.
 Can anybody explain these results?

 Thank you,
                        LUIS SALVATELLA

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I wrote:
> >So how do you know what "are" the correct eigenvalues ?

By correct I went back to your original question. This sounded like you
weren't satisfied with the linear combinations you got ouf of NR-Jacobi.
So I asked how you decide wether they are good in your sense. They are
"correct" in a mathematical sense (if the implementation is correct,
anyhow :-), aren't they ?

On Don, 29 Jul 1999 Gavin Tsai wrote:
> It is a good questions. I can not guarantee they are exactly correct.
> But when compared with other calculations, the eigenvalues are very =
> similar.

> In my calculation, I just call the subroutine 'Jacobn' in the book =
> "Numerical Recipes".
> Do I need special routine to treat the double degenerate problem?

I would say NO. But any two algorithms or even two different
implementations of the same algorithm might give you different linear
combinations of the eigenvectors. And they are all correct.

Btw., Jacobi is a good algorithm for small matrices, but there are better
algorithms for medium sized or large matrices. (Some people say Jacobi is
good up to dim=10, probably dim=50 is usually ok, I would say.)
And as someone stated before, NR routines are not the best in a sense of
speed and robustness. They are simple though, as a pro.

Probably you look at LAPACK to get a lot of good black-box matrix
routines, check it out at netlib.org.

-- Jochen
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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Jochen Kuepper wrote:
...
> 
> Btw., Jacobi is a good algorithm for small matrices, but there are better
> algorithms for medium sized or large matrices. (Some people say Jacobi is
> good up to dim=10, probably dim=50 is usually ok, I would say.)
> And as someone stated before, NR routines are not the best in a sense of
> speed and robustness. They are simple though, as a pro.
> 
...

I once wrote a Jacobi routine in Fortran using the threshold method that 
worked quite well for even larger matrices. The good thing with the
Jacobi method is that it always preserves orthogonality, but it is not
a very fast method, especially for large matrices. If you want a faster
method, you have to use the Householder method in combination with
some other methods (look in NETLIB, e.g.).

Of course Jacobi did not have access to a computer when he devised his
method more than 100 years ago, he did his calculations by hand ;-)

           Regards,
           
              TS
              
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Hello. Perl seems to dominate the 
chem(bio)-informatical sciences these
days. An example of such dominance is
descibed on papers describing the BioPerl consortium
http://bio.perl.org (see, e.g., an article in 
http://www.bitsjournal.com
Bioperl:Standard perl modules for bioinformatics)...
The question is why...why has python been neglected
from its role in the informatics fields....

Your responses would be appreciated...Iraj.

Iraj Daizadeh, Ph.D.
Harvard University
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The Biological Laboratories
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For my phd dissertation, we spent quite some time diagonalizing SPARSE
matrices of the order of 1000x1000 or so...The diagonalization process was
performed by a routine called cboris (fortran code):

cboris_(&n,&n,a,b,c,d,e,f,&ifail);

It is included in the QCPE 
(255 I think) package for extended huckel calculations (i think it was
written by someone in the hoffman group (theoretical group at cornell)
This routine is not faster than the diagonalization packages that come
with blas or something or that sort...

Iraj.



      subroutine cboris(n,nd,a,b,c,d,e,f,ifail)
      implicit double precision(a-h,o-z)
c
      dimension a(nd,nd),b(nd,nd),c(nd,nd),d(nd),e(nd),f(nd)
c
c ----------------------------------------------------------------------
c subroutine cboris solves the complex eigenvalue
c problem
c      a*x=b*x*lambda
c
c where
c a     --- given matrix of order n
c b     --- given positive definite matrix of order n
c x     --- eigenvectors, column by column,
c           normalized to (bx,x)=i
c lambda --- eigenvalues in increasing order
c
c matrices a and b should be given in
c arrays a and b respectively in the following way
c
c diagonal elements in the diagonal
c real parts of the lower triangle in the lower
c triangle
c imag parts of the lower triangle in the upper
c triangle
c
c real parts of eigenvectors are stored in a,
c imag parts in array c.  array b is destroyed during
c computation.  it holds the lower triangle of the
c choleski decomposition of matrix b (see
c subroutine cchol).
c
c all matrices are of order n, declared in the
c calling program with dimension nd which need
c not to be equal to n.
c
c eigenvalues are stored in array d.  arrays e
c and f are used for intermediate results.
c
c ifail gets the following values
c  0 --- computation finished succesfully
c  1 --- b not positive definite
c  2 --- qr algorithm does not converge


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On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Tom Sundius wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Jul 1999, Jochen Kuepper wrote:
> >...
> > 
> > Btw., Jacobi is a good algorithm for small matrices, but there are better
> > algorithms for medium sized or large matrices. (Some people say Jacobi is
> > good up to dim=10, probably dim=50 is usually ok, I would say.)
> > And as someone stated before, NR routines are not the best in a sense of
> > speed and robustness. They are simple though, as a pro.
> > 
> >...
> 
> I once wrote a Jacobi routine in Fortran using the threshold method that 
> worked quite well for even larger matrices. The good thing with the
> Jacobi method is that it always preserves orthogonality, but it is not
> a very fast method, especially for large matrices. If you want a faster
> method, you have to use the Householder method in combination with
> some other methods (look in NETLIB, e.g.).
> 
> Of course Jacobi did not have access to a computer when he devised his
> method more than 100 years ago, he did his calculations by hand ;-)
> 
>            Regards,
>            
>               TS
>               
> Tom Sundius
> University of Helsinki, Department of Physics    phone +358-9-191 8339
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Hi

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