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Tanja, Dominik, and all,
There is no phisical law forbidding frequency calculations on Ar atom.
And Hessian (as opposed to frequencies) makes sence at any point on
potencial surface, not only at the crytical points. In fact, this is how Opt=CalcFC
works in Gaussian.
If you are interested in Hessian, there is a workarownd:
use keyword FORCE instead of FREQ. Try HF first.
We found that in some cases FORCE on single atom won't work with MP2.
If you try GAMESS-UK, you may get Hessian in more readable format :)

Artem


> What you are trying to do here is to calulate the frequency of the Ar
> atom (albeit with some basis functions on the formic acid ghost atoms).
> This is not possible.
>
> Similarly, you cannot calculate the frequencies of formic acid in the
> presence of ghost functions like this (i.e. by replacing the last 5 lines
> by "6 Nuc 0.0"). To calculate a hessian, your molecule has to be in the minimum
> (for the given method/basis), and this is not the case (I assume the geometry
> above comes from an optimization on the cluster).
>
> I am afraid that there is not an easy way to calculate counterpoise-corrected
> frequencies automatically. You would need a potential energy surface and
> calculate the frequencies on it numerically, but this is not practical on any
> higher level of theory.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tanja

>
>  > to do the calculation with ghost atoms for the organic molecule and
> > electrons only at the argon atom. Unfortunately, with G98 this type of
> > calculation fails: 'Molecule is non-linear but NTrRo=3'. Who knows how
> > to fix this problem, or is there another convenient way to obtain the
> > second derivatives without this problem. I used the following input:
> >



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Hi:

    I would like a list of some good reviews on QSAR. This would include
review articles and some relevant books. I am particularly interested=20
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a training set etc.

    Thank you for your assistance.

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> There is no phisical law forbidding frequency calculations on Ar atom.

Am I missing something completely? All methods mentioned are based on
the Born-Oppenheimer approximation. The Argon can't feel a force,
because in this approximation forces only exist between nuclei. The
Hessian is the derivative of the force, which is also zero. Everything
else is spurious.

To the original poster: as I understand Counterpoise, it can only be
used to calculate wavefunction properties (e.g. the energy, but not the
Hessian). Then you can calculate other properties (gradients, the
Hessian, etc.) from the potential energy surface. I don't think you can
apply the counterpoise method directly to the Hessian. Even if your
program happens to give you non-zero numbers. 

You will of course get different energies when you move ghost atoms
around (and therefore a numerical gradient/Hessian will be non-zero),
but that has nothing to do with a physical frequency.

  Herbert

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Herbert Fruchtl writes:
 > > There is no phisical law forbidding frequency calculations on Ar atom.
 > 
 > Am I missing something completely? All methods mentioned are based on
 > the Born-Oppenheimer approximation.

But then BOA isn't a physical law :-O

 > The Argon can't feel a force,
 > because in this approximation forces only exist between nuclei. The
 > Hessian is the derivative of the force, which is also zero.

Well, the derivative of nothing isn't actually zero - but nothing.
In the BOA it simply doesn't make sense to talk about _that_ Hessian.

 > You will of course get different energies when you move ghost atoms
 > around (and therefore a numerical gradient/Hessian will be non-zero),
 > but that has nothing to do with a physical frequency.

It actually means leaving BOA behind. You should then probably try to
do that from the beginning - if you really want :-)

Jochen

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Hi Roberta,

>I would like a list of some good reviews on QSAR. This would include
>review articles and some relevant books.
>Roberta Susnow
>Physiome Sciences

You will find the following chapters from Reviews in Computational 
Chemistry helpful:

E. L. Plummer, in Reviews in Computational Chemistry, K. B. Lipkowitz 
and D. B. Boyd, Eds., VCH Publishers, New York, 1990, Vol. 1, pp. 119-168.

L. H. Hall and L. B. Kier, RCC, 1991, Vol. 2, pp. 367-422.

I. B. Bersuker and A. S. Dimoglo, RCC, 1991, Vol. 2, pp. 423-460.

L. M. Balbes, S. W. Mascarella, and D. B. Boyd, RCC, 1994, Vol. 5, pp.
337-379.

G. A. Arteca, RCC, 1996, Vol. 9, pp. 191-253.

E. J. Martin, D. C. Spellmeyer, R. E. Critchlow Jr., and J. M. Blaney, 
RCC, 1997, Vol. 10, pp. 75-100.

T. I. Oprea and C. L. Waller, RCC, Wiley, 1997, Vol. 11, pp. 127-182.

P.-A. Carrupt, B. Testa, and P. Gaillard, RCC, Wiley, 1997, Vol. 11, pp.
241-315.

Good luck, Don

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Bernd Engels wrote:
> hy,

> I am interested in Base Pairing and expecially which method
> is able to handle such things. I know that MP2 using a smaller
> basis set gives reasonable results, but perhaps somebody
> can point to a review or other paper.
> Thanks, I will summarize
> Bernd Engels
> Organische Chemie
> Universität Würzburg

Hi Bernd,
 
Jiri Sponer and Pavel Hobza contributed extensive studies in recent
years. For a review you might use
 
@ARTICLE{hobza99, 
author={Hobza, P. and Sponer, J.}, 
title={{Structure, Energetics, and Dynamics of the Nucleic 
Acids Base Pairs: Nonempirical Ab Initio Calculations}}, 
journal={Chem Rev}, 
volume={99}, 
pages={3247-3276}, 
year={1999 }}.

Greetings
C.
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Hi Roberta:

    The following few references (and the references cited therein) will provide
you with detail descriptions on QSAR (both methods and applications).
1.    "Exploring QSAR" Vol 1 and 2, Hansch, C.  et al., 1995. ACS publication.
2.    "Comprehensive Medicinal Chemistry", Vol 4 (Rational Drug Design),
Hansch et. (Des)., 1990, Pergamon Press.
3.   "Classical and Three-Dimensional QSAR in Agrochemistry", Hansch, C. and
Fujita, T. (Des), 1995, ACS Symposium Series.
4.    "Medicinal Chemistry Vol. 19 (Quantitative Structure-Activity Relationships
of Drugs)", Topliss, J.G. (ed), 1983, Academic Press.
5.    "Quantitative Drug Design. A critical introduction", Martin, Y.C., 1978,
Marcel Dekker.
6.    "Strategy of Drug Design. A Molecular Guide to Biological Activity" Purcell,
W. P., et al. , 1973, Wiley.
7.    "3D QSAR in Drug Design, Theory, Methods and Application." Kubinyi, H.
(Ed)., 1993, ESCOM Science Publishers.
8.    "Perspectives in Drug Discovery and Design, Vols. 9/10/11 (3D QSAR in Drug
Design: Ligand-Protein Interactions and Molecular Similarity", Kubinyi, H. et al.
(Des), 1998, Kluwer/ESCOM.
9.    "Perspectives in Drug Discovery and Design, Vols. 12/13/14 (3D QSAR in Drug
Design: Recent Advances", Kubinyi, H. et al. (Des), 1998, Kluwer/ ESCOM.

    I just wrote a chapter on QSAR in a book  and if you are interested I will
send you a reprint when the book comes out later this year.
    Hope this helps.

Asim Debnath

Roberta Susnow wrote:

> Hi:
>
>     I would like a list of some good reviews on QSAR. This would include
> review articles and some relevant books. I am particularly interested=20
> in some of the details such as the choice of descriptors, how to design
> a training set etc.
>


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As well as any papers by the research group I'm in, Hopfinger et al.

Richard

On 28 Jan 2000, Boyd wrote:

> Hi Roberta,
> 
> >I would like a list of some good reviews on QSAR. This would include
> >review articles and some relevant books.
> >Roberta Susnow
> >Physiome Sciences
> 
> You will find the following chapters from Reviews in Computational 
> Chemistry helpful:
> 
> E. L. Plummer, in Reviews in Computational Chemistry, K. B. Lipkowitz 
> and D. B. Boyd, Eds., VCH Publishers, New York, 1990, Vol. 1, pp. 119-168.
> 
> L. H. Hall and L. B. Kier, RCC, 1991, Vol. 2, pp. 367-422.
> 
> I. B. Bersuker and A. S. Dimoglo, RCC, 1991, Vol. 2, pp. 423-460.
> 
> L. M. Balbes, S. W. Mascarella, and D. B. Boyd, RCC, 1994, Vol. 5, pp.
> 337-379.
> 
> G. A. Arteca, RCC, 1996, Vol. 9, pp. 191-253.
> 
> E. J. Martin, D. C. Spellmeyer, R. E. Critchlow Jr., and J. M. Blaney, 
> RCC, 1997, Vol. 10, pp. 75-100.
> 
> T. I. Oprea and C. L. Waller, RCC, Wiley, 1997, Vol. 11, pp. 127-182.
> 
> P.-A. Carrupt, B. Testa, and P. Gaillard, RCC, Wiley, 1997, Vol. 11, pp.
> 241-315.
> 
> Good luck, Don
> 
> Donald B. Boyd, Ph.D.
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Hi, Robert:
The following chapters in "The Encyclopedia of Computational Chemistry"
(Paul Schleyer et al. Eds. John Wiley & Sons: Chichester, 1998, ISBN:
0-471-96588-X)
covers QSAR:

Environmental Chemistry: QSAR
Qnatitative Structure-Activity Relationships in Drug Design
Qnatitative Structure-Property Relationships (QSPR)
Structure-Activity Relationships in Modeling Nucleic Acid Ligand Interactions

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   Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 17:35:55 +0100
   From: hinsen@dirac.cnrs-orleans.fr
   Subject: Re: CCL:Why WHAM?

   The theory behind WHAM may be more involved, but it's no less
   transparent.

There are a couple of items in WHAM that are less than transparent, I
think.  One is the assumption that the single integrated correlation
time that one can compute from the simulation's energy data is a good
enough approximation for the integrated correlation time for the
occupancy of each bin (which, in principle, depends on the bin's
coordinates); it is the latter that we need to estimate the error that
we want to minimize.  Given that the minimization of this error is the
crux of the method, it seems that the published applications of WHAM
are extremely cavalier about determining this error.  Also, I've not
seen a justification for assuming that the bin occupancy has a Poisson
distribution, or at any rate, that its variance equals its mean (this
assumption is implicit in the formula Kumar gives for \tau).

None of these concerns arise with the more naive approach to combining
the histograms, because this method does not depend crucially on a
good estimate of the error in the histogram.

Thanks for the reference by Roux, and for the Python code.

KJ

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Dear CCLers,

I will write a small chapter  in my PhD thesis about the methods used to 
calculate excited state properties and geometries. I would like a list of 
articles and books where I can find some description of those methods.
I will summarize. 
Thanks in advance,
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Jochen Küpper wrote:

> Herbert Fruchtl writes:
> Well, the derivative of nothing isn't actually zero - but nothing.
> In the BOA it simply doesn't make sense to talk about _that_ Hessian.

Isn't zero a constant, and so the derivative of a constant is zero?

Richard




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Richard Wood wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Jochen Küpper wrote:
> 
> > Herbert Fruchtl writes:
> > Well, the derivative of nothing isn't actually zero - but nothing.
> > In the BOA it simply doesn't make sense to talk about _that_ Hessian.
> 
> Isn't zero a constant, and so the derivative of a constant is zero?
> 
Of course you're right. Just the quote that you generously attribute to me
isn't mine. 

  Herbert


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Richard Wood writes:
 > On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Jochen Küpper wrote:
 > > Well, the derivative of nothing isn't actually zero - but nothing.
 > 
 > Isn't zero a constant, and so the derivative of a constant is zero?

Your statement as such ios correct.
But if you read the earlier messages (e.g the one you cited), you will
see that he was calcualting the derivative outside the definition
range of the function.

Consider
   t: ]-1,+1[ ---> R
      x       |--> tan( x )

What's the derivative of dt/dx at x = 5 ?

Jochen


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There was a a very well written article on Beowulf and Chemistry
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It is one of the most accurate write ups I have seen. 
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But i WAS responding to what was written, namely the derivative of 0 not 
being zero.

What does 0 have to do with dt/dx anyway?

Look at it this way, if dt/dx=0, doesn't d2t/dx2=0 also?

Richard


On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Jochen Küpper wrote:

> Richard Wood writes:
>  > On Fri, 28 Jan 2000, Jochen Küpper wrote:
>  > > Well, the derivative of nothing isn't actually zero - but nothing.
>  > 
>  > Isn't zero a constant, and so the derivative of a constant is zero?
> 
> Your statement as such ios correct.
> But if you read the earlier messages (e.g the one you cited), you will
> see that he was calcualting the derivative outside the definition
> range of the function.
> 
> Consider
>    t: ]-1,+1[ ---> R
>       x       |--> tan( x )
> 
> What's the derivative of dt/dx at x = 5 ?
> 
> Jochen
> 


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>Herbert Fruchtl writes:
>Well, the derivative of nothing isn't actually zero - but nothing.
>In the BOA it simply doesn't make sense to talk about _that_ Hessian.

This discussion is getting a bit metaphysical..

>The Argon can't feel a force,
>because in this approximation forces only exist between nuclei. The

First note that MO LCAO approximation is not a part of BOA.
In the perfect world with complete basis sets (or numerical
wavefunctions) you would be right. But we have to deal with atom
centered basis functions, which don't even satisfy Hellman-Feinman
theorem.. And we (OK, some of us) are just trying to make the results
a little better.

Now, when you move your basis function and leave the atomic nuclei
in place, does the energy change? Yes. Can we look at the derivatives
with respect to this displacement? Sure. Does it have something to do with 
physical frequency? As a term in correction formula. Is it part
of Counterpoise correction? If it's not, we'll just have to adjust the 
definitions.

>as I understand Counterpoise, it can only be used to calculate wavefunction 
>properties (e.g. the energy, but not the Hessian).

OK, a derivative of a sum equals the sum of the derivative, doesn't it? So 
to get Hessian of the corrected energy you'll need Hessians of all the 
corrections...

And if not all the corrections have physical meaning, blame your bais for 
that.

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       	          MOPAC USER GROUP (MUG) MEETING 

In reponse to demand from many users worldwide, the first MOPAC user
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