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Hi,

Here is my query followed by the replies I got for this.

Thanks for the useful replies.

Tapan

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001, Dr.Tapan K.Ghanty wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I was wondering whether Bader's Atom-in-Molecule (AIM) analysis
> can be performed (in-principle as well as in-practice) on a 
> wavefunction which is calculated using ECP basis sets.
> 
> With thanks,
> 
> Tapan K. Ghanty


REPLIES:
*********

# 1
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From: Frederick P. Arnold Jr. <fparnold@chem.nwu.edu>

Sort of.   You need to look up some papers by Gernot Frenking from around
1995 on this topic.  The shortcomings basically are that because of the
lack of core density, (1) spurious critical points appear in the molecular
graph, (2) residual density in the core region caused by the s-orbitals
causes numerical instabilities in various search routines, and (3) the
first two make it difficult to reliably integrate the density, especially
in regions of complex topology.

You're probably better off doing everything up to the AIM analysis with
ECP, and then using the basis sets in the Huzinaga green book
(appropriately split and augmented) for a single-point calculation to
generate the wfn file.

						-fred

					Frederick P. Arnold, Jr.
					NUIT, Northwestern U.
					f-arnold@northwestern.edu

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From: "Shobe, Dave" <dshobe@sud-chemieinc.com>

My understanding is that it can be done, IF one fills in the missing
electron density.  I've seen a paper somewhere where this was done, i.e. a
fixed core density was added to the electron density from the calculation.
I don't remember how they got the core density though, or anything helpful
regarding tracking down the paper.  :-(  

("I don't remember the author or title, but I think the book was red.")




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Dear listmembers,

Can anybody advise me of any free Win95/98/ME programs which can perform
MM3 calculations?

Thanks in advance, I will summarize.

Ioannis


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A couple of weeks ago I asked a question about running a molecular
modelling workshop, thanks to all who replied. The original question and
summary are below.
Sorry about the delay

Original question:
>I am currently applying for funding to run a workshop in molecular
>modelling for our 4th year group (40 students). I plan to give 4-5
>lectures and then have a series of workshops (maybe 4x3 hours) with
>progressively less supervision as time goes on. Ending up with the
>students picking a problem of their own (probably from their organic
>chemistry lectures) and tackling it using whatever methods they see as
>fit and then writing a short report. Maybe the people who read the CCL
>have done something similar. I would be grateful for any advice,
>particularly about:
>Software: Best? Value for money?
>Hardware: Do you need a PC each or can you have them in pairs,
>threes....?
>Pedagogy:
>Has there been much published on this type of course?
>What are the major issues?
> Does the course I have outlined make pedagogical
>sense?
>Or is there a superior alternative approach?

Replies:
The consensus is that Spartan is the best software
Andreas Ehlers replied
"It provides a very good GUI and contains all the methods from MM, semi
empirical to ab initio, so
the students don't have to change programs and write specific inputs for

each problem. But it is expensive."
Yes cost is the problem here, several others agreed with Andreas.

Among the free options were MOE, recommended by David ENOT
"Recently, I ve seen a demonstration of MOE which seems to be
advantageous : you can perform classical modeling tasks as well as drug
design in a
highly pedagogical way, all the platforms are supported and it's free
for education.
Have a look at http://www.chemcomp.com "
I haven't had a chance to try it yet.

Also free is
WebMolecules
Over 200,000 Molecular Models Online in Full 3D
http://www.webmolecules.com
Requires 3D plug-in. Indexed and searchable.
Although this isn't quite what I was looking for myeself!

For a little more money:
Molecules-3D
3D Molecular Model Building
http://www.molecules.com/m3d25int.shtml
Great for new students. Only $49

Molecules-3D Pro
3D Molecular Modelling
http://www.molecules.com/m3d25int.shtml
Ideal for students interested in Computational Chemistry. $99
As recommended by John Vermeer

Several people from MSI contacted me talking about Materials Studio
"http://staging.msi.com/materials/studio/
Or if you wish to evaluate a copy of Materials Visualizer:
http://staging.msi.com/materials/studio/quote/"
I have yet to try this!

Several respondants recommended third party individuals who have run
workshops, I am
in the process of contacting these people, I won't give their names as
they haven't replied yet.
But if they throw up any nuggets I will inform the CCL.

In terms of pedagogy there appears to be many ways to teach MM
successfully,
thanks to Hens Borkent, Michael Nolan and others here.
Most replies suggested that what I had outlined will work, but that it
is
very important to keep the groups small (stagger the sessions if
necessary).
People disagreed as to whether one or two per PC is best, probably two
if the students are
"general chemists". It was agreed that you should never have more than
two per PC and also
that the course should be short if it is for general chemistry,  i.e. 2
or at most 3 weeks.

What Hens said was good:
He uses "a web interface to mopac calculations, based on the Chime
plugin, as you can find under
http://www.cmbi.kun.nl/wetche/organic/
It requires W95/98 Netscape 4.5 - 4.7 to function properly, in
particular the 'editor'. On the editor page you will also find
suggestions for
exercises. Since this is not really a modelling course, a number of
input files
have been constructed beforehand, and the students simply submit them,
but they can also edit the files if they want to.
On practical questions:
We prefer them to work in pairs, which forces them to discuss the
subject among eachother, talk about it. Three people with one mouse is
too many.
It is nice indeed to have a goal in the end: either a kind of
competition, who comes up with the best figures, lowest minimum, etc.,
or a
presentation, in Powerpoint or HTML (chime), as you propose.
It is also our experience that courses of this type should not take too
long. There should be regular interrupts, classical lectures etc,
otherwise
they start "playing" with the computer, chatting, e-mail, browsing.
The main goal is to keep them interested in the subject, add the right
amount of interactivity to keep them busy for a while, then have a
break and get the group together in a discussion of the results.
Sometimes you have luck if you ask them to suggest their own problems,
but it is wise to have some problems at hand. I noticed that many
organic chemists work on very large molecules these days, biological or
supra-
molecular, that are not so easy to model."


One follow up question, I was expecting that Tinker would be mentioned,
but it wasn't;
Tinker is free; is it any good? Easy for students? GUI?

        Thanks again
                    Dermot

--
Dr. Dermot Brougham,

School of Chemical Sciences,
Dublin City University,
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Ireland.

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Dear,

Could anybody point me to information on the most commonly used schemes for
generating atomic charges for molecules, using non-quantumchemical methods.
The goal is to obtain charges on atoms FAST, as is done in many molecular
modelling force-field calculations. If possible, please include in which
software packages these methods have been implemented. A summary will be
sent to other interested subscribers.

Thanks,

Patrick Bultinck, Ghent University, Belgium
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I would like to
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Hello,

I am trying to calculate the energy of some transition metals and
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Tinker.

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> Dear listmembers,
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> Can anybody advise me of any free Win95/98/ME programs which can perform
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"Bultinck, Patrick [JanBe Extern]" wrote:
> 
> Dear,
> 
> Could anybody point me to information on the most commonly used schemes for
> generating atomic charges for molecules, using non-quantumchemical methods.
> The goal is to obtain charges on atoms FAST, as is done in many molecular
> modelling force-field calculations. If possible, please include in which
> software packages these methods have been implemented. A summary will be
> sent to other interested subscribers.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Patrick Bultinck, Ghent University, Belgium
> (currently post-doc with Janssen Research Foundation, Belgium)
> 

i see two ways:

1) you use one of the common MD-packages like CHARMM or AMBER.
   usually these programs include predetermined partial-charges
   for many sorts of residues (mainly biomolecular)
2) you use algorithms like charge equilibration (J. Phys. Chem., 95,
3358 (1991))
   or the gasteiger method (Tetrahedron, 36, 3219 (1980))
   however -- i don't know what sort of calculations you do -- but
   in my humble opinion these methods usually give partial charges  
   of (at the least) questionable quality ...

mic

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Hi,
I am a newer for AMBER and just working on the resp charge fitting. 
Following the instruction I
did the calaulation of water using Gamess(US) and run the script "run.resp", 
just as the example, but the
result of charge is always zero:

-----------------------------------------------
      Restrained ESP Fit 2.3  Amber 4.1
-----------------------------------------------
TITLE
-----------------------------------------------


inopt       =     0   ioutopt     =     0
nmol        =     1   iqopt       =     0
ihfree      =     1   irstrnt     =     1
iunits      =     0   qwt         =   0.00050000
wtmol(1) =     1.000000
subtitle:

TITLE
ich =   0  iuniq =   3
    1    8    0
    2    1    0
    3    1    0
    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0    0  
   0
    0    0

  
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
     ATOM                       COORDINATES                         CHARGE
                       X             Y                Z
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------
  ----------------------------------------------------------------------


Charge on the molecule(ich) =    0
Total number of atoms (iuniq)     =    3
Weight factor on initial charge restraints(qwt)=     0.50000E-03


  there are  3 charge constraints:


     1       0  0  1
     2       0  0  1
     3       0  0  1

Reading esp"s for molecule   1
total number of atoms      =     3
total number of esp points =    34


center     X       Y       Z
    1  -0.5520723E+00   0.2380678E-01   0.0000000E+00
    2  -0.4900439E+00   0.1812906E+01   0.0000000E+00
    3   0.1155385E+01  -0.5140756E+00   0.0000000E+00
Initial ssvpot =     0.649


Number of unique UNfrozen centers=    3

Non-linear optimization requested.
qchnge =             nan
qchnge =             nan
qchnge =             nan

Convergence in    2 iterations


TITLE

          Point Charges Before & After Optimization

    no.  At.no.    q(init)       q(opt)     ivary    d(rstr)/dq
    1   8       0.000000            nan      0            nan
    2   1       0.000000            nan      0       0.000000
    3   1       0.000000            nan      0       0.000000

Sum over the calculated charges:        nan

        Statistics of the fitting:
  The initial sum of squares (ssvpot)                      0.649
  The residual sum of squares (chipot)                       nan
  The std err of estimate (sqrt(chipot/N))                   nan
  ESP relative RMS (SQRT(chipot/ssvpot))                     nan

Center of Mass (Angst.):

X  =   0.00000      Y  =   0.00000      Z  =   0.00000

Dipole (Debye):

X  =       nan      Y  =       nan      Z  =       nan

Dipole Moment (Debye)=       nan

Quadrupole (Debye*Angst.):

Qxx =       nan     QYY =       nan     QZZ =       nan
Qxy =       nan     QXZ =       nan     QYZ =       nan


I do not know what's the problem with it. Seems the script
run.resp did not extract the proper information from the *.dat file to 
generate the correct
esp.in file. The total number of esp points are only 34. I try other 
molecules, and the result is always the same as water, the total number of 
esp points is 34 and the charges are all nan.

   Would someone please figure out what is the problem? I  appreciate  your 
help very much!



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 Hi CCLers,

 Are there any stand-alone Weighted Histogram Analysis Method (WHAM)
programs available out there to calculate a one-dimensional
potential of mean force (PMF) given sampled values of a given reaction
coordinate obtained by a set of constrained MD simulations. The
program that I currently have access to is the one written by Bockzo and
Brooks. The purpose of this inquiry is for me to personally understand
empirically if the PMF calculated by different programs are different for
the same set of coordinate values and if so why. I guess they should
theoretically be the same, however, any help provided is
greatly appreciated. I will summarize the responses.

 Thanks,

 Nilesh.
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