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On Thu, 25 Jan 2001, Renxiao Wang wrote:

>For some reasons we need to solvate organic molecules or even proteins
>with explicit water molecules. Will anybody recommend a reliable algorithm
>for doing this? It will be ideal if it is able to reproduce the 'real'
>situations. The first layer of water is enough. 
>
>Please note that we prefer an algorithm rather than a certain program. It
>is simply because we are writing programs in our approach. We certainly
>know about some programs, such as AMBER and CHARMm, which can place waters
>around a given molecule. But we are a little bit skeptical for what they 
>generate on the screen.
If this makes you skeptical, then try quantum mechanics or X-ray
crystallography instead. Writing a program in "your own approach" will
certainly not improve the result unless you use a better description
than molecular mechanics (i.e. quantum chemistry).


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Dear All,

I got molecular electrostatic potential (MEP) for an optimized model using
GAMESS (based on the Connolly surface) in order to develop RESP charges.
Unfortunately, the RESP charges obtained from the GAMESS MEP are different
> from the published RESP charges (MEP obtained with GAUSSIAN). 
Does someone meet this problem ?

For me, it seems to depend on the molecule orientation of the OPTIMIZED
structure. I know that such problem was reported for CHELP/GAMESS (Woods et
al. J Comput Chem 1990).
Is there the same problem with the Connolly surface ?

Is there a way to get highly similar RESP charges with GAMESS/RESP than
those obtained with GAUSSIAN/RESP ?

Thanks a lot, 
Best regards,
Francois
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Dear CCLers:

I need the Kollman united atom charges of deprotonated 
histidine(histidinate) and the unprotonated form of Glu.
would you please let me know the charges because I could not get the charges 
> from the AMBER6.0. BTW, besides the sybyl and amber4.0(?), is there any 
other software can calculate the Kollman charges?
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CAChe does this and it also has special renderings for ionic, weak, 
coordinate and pi bonds. CAChe can also show calculated or formal bond 
order by diameter and color of a single cylinder. You can download a free 
evaluation copy at http://www.cachesoftware.com/

David Gallagher, Fujitsu

At 03:31 PM 1/22/01 +0200, Maija Lahtela wrote:
>Dear CCLers,
>
>I would like to
>know if there are molecular modeling program such as RasMol,
>WebLAbviewer that could present double bond as two tubes and triple bond
>with three tubes ( the way as student are used books of chemistry in high
>school or collage).
>
>Yours,
>Maija L.-K.
>
>*****************************************************
>Maija Lahtela-Kakkonen, Researcher
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Different parameters may play a role :
					GAMESS keyword		Gaussian
keyword
- Number of layers		see LAYER in $PDC		IOp(6/41)
- Density of points on layer	see PTDENS in $PDC	IOp(6/42)
- Increment between layers	see VDWINC in $PDC	IOp(6/43)
- vdW scale factor for 1st layer
					see VDWSCL in $PDC	IOp(6/56)
but added this one myself :-)

If you would take the points from GAMESS (standard provided by GAMESS), and
insert them into G98, take care in symmetry, use NoSymm, I would say. Maybe
using the same parameters in both programs, you might still want to check if
the same points are being used on some surface (CONNOLLY). Gamess does this
happily, G98 only if providing some overlay options (but again, added some
myself for extra flexibility in G98). Also make a note what multipoles you
are constraining in both molecules, just total charge, or dipole as well, or
quadrupole maybe.

You can almost perfectly reproduce things between the two programs (see also
source file prplib.src of GAMESS where this is also mentionned), if you
'play' around with the options, making sure you are doing the same thing in
both programs...

Hope this might help a little (sorry for sending this to the entire list, I
lost the original mail, and had this reply lying about, forgetting to send
it. Maybe it is still of help to the original sender !)

Kind regards,

Patrick Bultinck
Ghent University
Belgium

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<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>GAMESS =
keyword&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gaussian =
keyword</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Number of layers&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; see LAYER in =
$PDC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IOp(6/41)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Density of points on layer&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; see =
PTDENS in $PDC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IOp(6/42)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- Increment between =
layers&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; see VDWINC in =
$PDC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IOp(6/43)</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>- vdW scale factor for 1st layer</FONT>
<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <FONT SIZE=3D2>see VDWSCL in =
$PDC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; IOp(6/56) but added this one myself =
:-)</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>If you would take the points from GAMESS (standard =
provided by GAMESS), and insert them into G98, take care in symmetry, =
use NoSymm, I would say. Maybe using the same parameters in both =
programs, you might still want to check if the same points are being =
used on some surface (CONNOLLY). Gamess does this happily, G98 only if =
providing some overlay options (but again, added some myself for extra =
flexibility in G98). Also make a note what multipoles you are =
constraining in both molecules, just total charge, or dipole as well, =
or quadrupole maybe.</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>You can almost perfectly reproduce things between the =
two programs (see also source file prplib.src of GAMESS where this is =
also mentionned), if you 'play' around with the options, making sure =
you are doing the same thing in both programs...</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Hope this might help a little (sorry for sending this =
to the entire list, I lost the original mail, and had this reply lying =
about, forgetting to send it. Maybe it is still of help to the original =
sender !)</FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Kind regards,</FONT>
</P>

<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>Patrick Bultinck</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Ghent University</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=3D2>Belgium</FONT>
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Materials Visualizer (core module of Materials Studio, the new PC-based 
package from MSI), has a versatile range of options for graphical display 
of bond order, including what you describe below. It can handle single, 
resonant, double, triple and pi-bonds. Bond order can be easily defined via 
the various sketching and editing options, and there is also a bond 
calculation tool.

If you'd like further information I'd recommend visiting 
www.materials-studio.com

You will also see a link there to order an evaluation copy.

Sincerely

Phil Hastings, MSI


At 03:31 PM 1/22/01 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear CCLers,
>
>I would like to
>know if there are molecular modeling program such as RasMol,
>WebLAbviewer that could present double bond as two tubes and triple bond
>with three tubes ( the way as student are used books of chemistry in high
>school or collage).
>
>Yours,
>Maija L.-K.
>
>*****************************************************
>Maija Lahtela-Kakkonen, Researcher
>CSC-Scientific Computing
>Tekniikantie 15 a D, P.O.Box 405
>FIN-02101 ESPOO  FINLAND
>TEL 358-9-4572079 /050-3819506, FAX 358-9-4572302
>E-MAIL mlahtela@csc.fi, Internet:www.csc.fi
>****************************************************
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Francois Dupradeau wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I got molecular electrostatic potential (MEP) for an optimized model using
> GAMESS (based on the Connolly surface) in order to develop RESP charges.
> Unfortunately, the RESP charges obtained from the GAMESS MEP are different
> > from the published RESP charges (MEP obtained with GAUSSIAN).
> Does someone meet this problem ?
> 
> For me, it seems to depend on the molecule orientation of the OPTIMIZED
> structure. I know that such problem was reported for CHELP/GAMESS (Woods et
> al. J Comput Chem 1990).
> Is there the same problem with the Connolly surface ?
> 
> Is there a way to get highly similar RESP charges with GAMESS/RESP than
> those obtained with GAUSSIAN/RESP ?
> 
> Thanks a lot,
> Best regards,
> Francois
>  --
> F.-Y. Dupradeau
> http://www.u-picardie.fr/UPIC/UPJV/recherche/labos/bpd/fyd.htm
> 

Folks,

This was the motivation for utilizing a higher point densities and using
a different sampling strategy in the CHELPG routine that's implemented
in Gaussian9x.

See:

Breneman, C.M. and Wiberg, K.B., "Determining Atom-Centered Monopoles
> from Molecular Electrostatic Potentials.  The Need for High Sampling
Density in Formamide Conformational Analysis",J. Comp. Chem.,
1990,11(3), p. 361-373.

Curt Breneman
RPI Chemistry

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Hi, everyone,

I builts molecular structures by Cerius2. After I build a structure, I
want to get its enatiomeric structure. But I don't know how to transform
it in  Cerius2. Could anyone give me advice?

Thanks in advance

Y. Fan

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Hi Yubo

You can do it manualy and individually for each chiral center:

i) Load your molecule in C2 visualizer. Open the 3D-sketcher (Visualizer ->
Buil -> 3D sketcher)

ii) on the 3D sketcher windows that pops-up, select the 'invert' icon
(bottom-right column)

iii) now click on the molecule's chiral center(s) you want to invert

you should have the molecule updated in the visualizer

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> I builts molecular structures by Cerius2. After I build a structure, I
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From: Nilesh Banavali <nbanaval@umaryland.edu>
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Subject: Summary of responses for WHAM question
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Hi CCLers,

 Here is a belated summary for the WHAM programs available and comments
regarding possible differences amongst them. Thanks to Jerome Baudry and
Konrad Hinsen for their help. 

Serge Crouzy and Konrad Hinsen have their own WHAM programs.

'As for possible differences in the results, I would first check the
default values for all the WHAM parameters. In particular, the number of
iterations of the WHAM equations was found to significantly affect the
convergence of the results (see following paper by Crouzy et al.). Also,
in the case of a periodic degree of freedom, like e.g. a dihedral angle,
the final results would be changed if you correct the hysteresis (by, for
instance, replicating times series at the ends of the reaction coordinate,
or by imposing equality of the PMF values at both ends of the reaction
coordinate during the WHAM iterations)' - Jerome Baudry 

'There could be minor differences due to different criteria for
terminating the iterations etc. These differences could become important
when the data is insufficient (e.g. no sufficient overlap between
neighbouring windows)' - Konrad Hinsen 

References 

Efficient calculation of 2-dimensional adiabatic and free energy maps:
Application to the isomerization of the C13=C14 and C15=N16 bonds in the
retinal of bacteriorhodopsin. Serge Crouzy, Jerome Baudry, Jeremy C. Smith
and Benoit Roux. J. Comp. Chem. 20,15 (1999) 1644-1658. 

Justin Gullingsrud, Rosemary Braun, and Klaus Schulten. Reconstructing
potentials of mean force through time series analysis of steered molecular
dynamics simulations. Journal of Computational Physics, 151:190--211,
1999. ( see this paper at: 
http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Publications/Papers/abstract.cgi?tbcode=GULL99 ) 

O. Roche, K. Hinsen, M.J. Field Theoretical study of the conformation of
the H-protein lipoamide arm as a function of the terminal group Proteins
36(2), 228 (1999)

 Thanks,

 Nilesh Banavali
 Graduate Student,
 University of Maryland.







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I just read one of the original accounts of the
SHAKE algorythm (J Comp Phys 1977 23 327-41),
and I have a question about the energy produced.

To what extent does a microcannonical ensemble
simulation using SHAKE conserve the energy?  The
authors of the above paper mentioned that it
fluxuated about a stable value, but gave no
indication as to how great the flux was.

Anybody know anything about this?

Thanks.

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Subject: ArgusLab 2.0 final release available
Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2001 15:18:24 -0800

ArgusLab 2.0 final release is available!

ArgusLab is still free.

The new website is:  http://www.planaria-software.com

In addition to the features listed below, I added calculating
rotary strengths to this release.  There were numerous bug
fixes, additions to the help system, and restart from prior
SCF added to the calculation dialog boxes.

enjoy
Mark Thompson, President
Planaria Software
Seattle, WA.


ArgusLab is a molecular modeling program for Microsoft Windows operating
systems.

Overview of 2.0 features:
-----------------------------
1. Interactive 3D Molecule Builder with:
        Interactive 3D manipulator
        Fragment Library
        Beautify Geometry
        Automatically Add/Hide/Delete Hydrogens
        Cut & Paste
        Supports Multiple-Level Undo/Redo.
        Multiple Rendering Styles for Atoms and Bonds
        Geometry Monitors

2. Calculation Types
        Single-Point Energies
        Optimize Geometries
        Electronic Excitation Spectra
        Self Consistent Reaction Field (SCRF) Solvent Model for Electronic
            Spectra

3. Molecular Mechanics
        Universal Force Field (UFF) for the entire periodic table


4. Quantum Mechanics
        Extended Huckel for entire periodic table
        MNDO, AM1, and PM3 semi-empirical Hamiltonians
        INDO1/s semi-empirical Hamiltonian
        Restricted and Unrestricted Hartree-Fock SCF

5. File Types: supports XYZ, PDB, and ArgusLab XML file formats.

6. HTML Help

7. No size limitations for molecules or calculations other than available
   system resources

8. Multi-threaded architecture allows multiple molecules opened
   simultaneously and running calculations

9. Runs on Windows 95/98, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000





