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Dear CCLers,

I have some questions regarding the state of histidine in proteins. I know that histidine can exist as with a weak positive charge in pH7, but also it might depend on the surrounding environment and neighbours. Is there a way that I can find out how the neighbouring residues can affect histidine? If I take my protein to be at pH7, can I assume that histidine will have a positive charge?  Both NE1 and ND1 will have hydrogens then. From what I've read, either one can be protonated or both will be. 
Also, from the structures that I've found, the double bonds exist in the side chain between CG=CD2 and ND1=CE1. Would the double bond exist for NE1=CE1 instead ? I would like to get more information about this as I'm not sure how to treat the histidine residues in my protein. 

Thank you for your time.

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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, nepenthes@vplaces.net wrote:

>Dear CCLers,
>
>I have some questions regarding the state of histidine in proteins. I 
>know that histidine can exist as with a weak positive charge in pH7, but 
>also it might depend on the surrounding environment and neighbours. Is 
>there a way that I can find out how the neighbouring residues can affect 
>histidine? If I take my protein to be at pH7, can I assume that histidine 
>will have a positive charge?  Both NE1 and ND1 will have hydrogens then. 
>From what I've read, either one can be protonated or both will be. 
In a protein you can check the hydrogen bonding network. In solution 90% 
is NE1 and 10% ND1 (at pH7)

Groeten, David.
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Dear CCLers,

Some times ago, I posted this question:

Please, I'm working with structures containing Co-Co bonds. I'm using =
LANL2DZ as pseudopotential for the core electrons of the cobalt, In =
thats conditions, could I use AIM methodology to analyse the molecule?. =
Thank you

Thanks for the useful replies:

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Hi Miguel,

I think you could, but... As far as I know AIM needs the total electron
density to be able to produce sensible results. So if you are using a
pseudopotential you will need to add the density of the core electrons
back in before you feed your density to the AIM package.

Huub


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Hola Miguel,

Lo que ocurre cuando se usan pseudopotenciales, es que el m=E1ximo =
(punto
cr=EDtico 3,-3) en el n=FAcleo se transforma en un m=EDnimo (3,+3), y =
eso puede
hacer que el PC de enlace (3,-1) no aparezca, y que aparezcan m=E1ximos =
(3,-3)
en la capa de valencia del metal. En todo caso, todo depende de la =
mol=E9cula,
y en concreto del tipo de enlace entre los =E1tomos que usan
pseudopotenciales, as=ED que lo mejor es realizar pruebas. Te =
recomendar=EDa el
art=EDculo  Journal of Computational Chemistry, Vol. 18, No. 3, 416-429 =
(te lo
puedo enviar por correo, si no tienes acceso a =E9l).

Yo he hecho bastantes c=E1lculos con LANL2DZ (aunque ninguno con enlace
metal-metal) y en general los PC de enlace los localizo sin problemas, y
adem=E1s presentan valores de densidad, laplaciana,... correctos. Eso =
s=ED, al
no existir m=E1ximo en el n=FAcleo, el "bond path" no conecta el PC de =
enlace
con el PC (3,-3) en el n=FAcleo. Tambi=E9n puedo realizar las integrales =
sobre
los =E1tomos sin problemas.
Un grupo que ha trabajado con LANL2DZ y enlace metal-metal es el del =
difunto
J. M. Molina, de Granada. Te puedo recomendar esta referencia Journal of
Molecular Structure (Theochem) 493 (1999) 249-257, pero estoy seguro que
tienen m=E1s art=EDculos sobre el tema.

Espero que la anterior te sirva de ayuda. SI tienes alguna duda, no =
dudes en
preguntarme, aunque yo no soy ni mucho menos un experto en el tema.

Un saludo

Pablo

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Universidad del Pa=EDs Vasco (UPV/EHU)
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I am not sure in your specific case but I do know that pseudo potentials =
can give incorrect numbers of critical points in the electron density =
(i.e. 1 Bond Critical Point) in a water molecule compared to the usual =
two. As such I would also expect other features of the density to be =
different too. Personally I would not trust pseudopotential =
calculations.=20
regards,=20

Sean O'Brien=20
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  miguel,

it is possible to use AIM with pseudo potentials, there is a paper by=20
ron gillespie and richard bader among others from a few years back that
examined the changes in topolgy seen when usin such bases, and the
effect of the size of the valence functions, i think that the conclusion
was that you should NOT use a minimal basis for TM compounds.

noj
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  Chemistry Department                  =20
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  Manchester, England. M60 1QD

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Hola,

Yes, you can use AIM to analyze your electronic density. The difference
between a pseudopotential calculation and a full electron treatment is =
the
core density, which does not exists when using pseudos. But that not
affects the form of the valence density, which is what you want to =
analyze.

Hope it helps
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You'll have to drill back through articles around 1994 from Gernot
Frenking, but the basic answer is, "Not Really".  Because of the missing
core electrons, there are problems determining the bond paths near the
atoms using the ecps.

You could also check my paper in Organometallics, 1999, 18, p4800 on
Ruthenium Silylenes, where I compared the bond critical point values and
energy densities determined by AIM with the LANL2DZ ECP on Ruthenium.
The critical point values are low when compared with the all electron
case.

Frenking's article (which I can't find this morning quickly) discusses =
ECP
vs. All Electron, plus a couple of schemes to try to replace the core
density.  None are consistently successful.  You should also look in
Inorganic Chemistry around 1994/1995 when Gillespy and Bytheway discuss
polarization of formally core electrons by strong ligands in early TM
oxo-fluorides, and effect that would be lost if ECPs were used.

-Fred

Frederick P. Arnold, Jr.
NUIT, Northwestern U.
f-arnold@northwestern.edu

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In principle you can but you have to add back in the "missing" electrons
before proceeding with the analysis.
=20
--David Shobe
S=FCd-Chemie Inc.
phone (502) 634-7409
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email  dshobe@sud-chemieinc.com

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In fact, it's impossible to use pseudopotential with AIM.
I suggest  you to make a simple point energy calculation at a higher =
level with a full basis set like DZVP
You can find it and other basis sets at the address
http://www.emsl.pnl.gov:2080/forms/basisform.html

Sincerely yours

Etienne Derat
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Etienne Derat
Doctorant
Groupe Mod=E9lisation et R=E9activit=E9 Chimique=20
UMR 6519 "R=E9actions s=E9lectives et Applications"
Universit=E9 de Reims Champagne-Ardenne

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Dr. Mu=3DF1oz,

   The problem with using AIM and molecules using described with ECP's
is that the integration of the density requires the full density.
I know of no implementation of AIM that can either work without that
core density or can "replace" it by analyzing the core potential.

   So in short, no there is no option for using AIM with ECP's.

Douglas J. Fox
  Technical Support
  Gaussian, Inc.
  help@gaussian.com
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Universidad de La Laguna
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working with=20
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core electrons of the cobalt, In thats conditions, could I use AIM =
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replies:</FONT></DIV>
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4AD<BR><BR>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D<BR>Hola=20
Miguel,<BR><BR>Lo que ocurre cuando se usan pseudopotenciales, es que el =
m=E1ximo=20
(punto<BR>cr=EDtico 3,-3) en el n=FAcleo se transforma en un m=EDnimo =
(3,+3), y eso=20
puede<BR>hacer que el PC de enlace (3,-1) no aparezca, y que aparezcan =
m=E1ximos=20
(3,-3)<BR>en la capa de valencia del metal. En todo caso, todo depende =
de la=20
mol=E9cula,<BR>y en concreto del tipo de enlace entre los =E1tomos que=20
usan<BR>pseudopotenciales, as=ED que lo mejor es realizar pruebas. Te =
recomendar=EDa=20
el<BR>art=EDculo&nbsp; Journal of Computational Chemistry, Vol. 18, No. =
3, 416-429=20
(te lo<BR>puedo enviar por correo, si no tienes acceso a =
=E9l).<BR><BR>Yo he hecho=20
bastantes c=E1lculos con LANL2DZ (aunque ninguno con =
enlace<BR>metal-metal) y en=20
general los PC de enlace los localizo sin problemas, y<BR>adem=E1s =
presentan=20
valores de densidad, laplaciana,... correctos. Eso s=ED, al<BR>no =
existir m=E1ximo=20
en el n=FAcleo, el "bond path" no conecta el PC de enlace<BR>con el PC =
(3,-3) en=20
el n=FAcleo. Tambi=E9n puedo realizar las integrales sobre<BR>los =
=E1tomos sin=20
problemas.<BR>Un grupo que ha trabajado con LANL2DZ y enlace metal-metal =
es el=20
del difunto<BR>J. M. Molina, de Granada. Te puedo recomendar esta =
referencia=20
Journal of<BR>Molecular Structure (Theochem) 493 (1999) 249-257, pero =
estoy=20
seguro que<BR>tienen m=E1s art=EDculos sobre el tema.<BR><BR>Espero que =
la anterior=20
te sirva de ayuda. SI tienes alguna duda, no dudes en<BR>preguntarme, =
aunque yo=20
no soy ni mucho menos un experto en el tema.<BR><BR>Un=20
saludo<BR><BR>Pablo<BR><BR>----------------------------------------------=
----------<BR>Pablo=20
Vitoria Garcia<BR>Dpto. Qu=EDmica Inorg=E1nica, Facultad de =
Ciencias<BR>Universidad=20
del Pa=EDs Vasco (UPV/EHU)<BR>Aptdo. 644<BR>48080 Bilbao =
(Bizkaia)<BR><BR>Tfno. 94=20
6012579<BR>Fax. 94=20
4648500<BR>______________________________________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I&nbsp;am not sure in your specific =
case but=20
I&nbsp;do know that pseudo potentials can give incorrect numbers of =
critical=20
points in the electron density (i.e. 1 Bond Critical Point) in a water =
molecule=20
compared to the usual two. As such I would also expect other features of =
the=20
density to be different too. Personally I would not trust =
pseudopotential=20
calculations.=20
<P>regards,=20
<P>Sean=20
O'Brien&nbsp;<BR>********************************************************=
*************************<BR>Dr.=20
Sean E. O'Brien<BR>Cancer Research Laboratories<BR>School Of =
Pharmaceutical=20
Sciences<BR>University of Nottingham<BR>University =
Park<BR>Nottingham<BR>NG7=20
2RD<BR>0115 951=20
3423<BR>*****************************************************************=
****************&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;=20
miguel,<BR><BR>it is possible to use AIM with pseudo potentials, there =
is a=20
paper by <BR>ron gillespie and richard bader among others from a few =
years back=20
that<BR>examined the changes in topolgy seen when usin such bases, and=20
the<BR>effect of the size of the valence functions, i think that the=20
conclusion<BR>was that you should NOT use a minimal basis for TM=20
compounds.<BR><BR>noj<BR>-- <BR>&nbsp; Dr. N.O.J.=20
Malcolm&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<A =
href=3D"mailto:n.malcolm@umist.ac.uk">n.malcolm@umist.ac.uk</A><BR>&nbsp;=
=20
Chemistry=20
Department&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp; UMIST, Sackville Street<BR>&nbsp; Manchester, England. M60 =
1QD</P>
<P>____________________________________________________________</P>
<P><BR>Hola,<BR><BR>Yes, you can use AIM to analyze your electronic =
density. The=20
difference<BR>between a pseudopotential calculation and a full electron=20
treatment is the<BR>core density, which does not exists when using =
pseudos. But=20
that not<BR>affects the form of the valence density, which is what you =
want to=20
analyze.<BR><BR>Hope it=20
helps<BR>&nbsp;__________________________________________________________=
______<BR><BR>&nbsp;=20
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Universitat=20
Rovira i Virgili&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Voice +34=20
977 55 9569<BR>&nbsp; Pl. Imperial Tarraco,=20
1&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;=20
FAX&nbsp;&nbsp; +34 977 55 9563<BR>&nbsp; 43005 -=20
Tarragona&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<BR>&nbsp;=20
SPAIN&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;=20
<A=20
href=3D"http://www.quimica.urv.es/~w3qfi">http://www.quimica.urv.es/~w3qf=
i</A><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<A=20
href=3D"http://www.quimica.urv.es/cgi-bin/card?bo+qfi">http://www.quimica=
.urv.es/cgi-bin/card?bo+qfi</A><BR>______________________________________=
__________________________</P>
<P><BR>You'll have to drill back through articles around 1994 from=20
Gernot<BR>Frenking, but the basic answer is, "Not Really".&nbsp; Because =
of the=20
missing<BR>core electrons, there are problems determining the bond paths =
near=20
the<BR>atoms using the ecps.<BR><BR>You could also check my paper in=20
Organometallics, 1999, 18, p4800 on<BR>Ruthenium Silylenes, where I =
compared the=20
bond critical point values and<BR>energy densities determined by AIM =
with the=20
LANL2DZ ECP on Ruthenium.<BR>The critical point values are low when =
compared=20
with the all electron<BR>case.<BR><BR>Frenking's article (which I can't =
find=20
this morning quickly) discusses ECP<BR>vs. All Electron, plus a couple =
of=20
schemes to try to replace the core<BR>density.&nbsp; None are =
consistently=20
successful.&nbsp; You should also look in<BR>Inorganic Chemistry around=20
1994/1995 when Gillespy and Bytheway discuss<BR>polarization of formally =
core=20
electrons by strong ligands in early TM<BR>oxo-fluorides, and effect =
that would=20
be lost if ECPs were used.<BR><BR>-Fred<BR><BR>Frederick P. Arnold, =
Jr.<BR>NUIT,=20
Northwestern U.<BR><A=20
href=3D"mailto:f-arnold@northwestern.edu">f-arnold@northwestern.edu</A></=
P>
<P>__________________________________________________________<BR>In =
principle=20
you can but you have to add back in the "missing" electrons<BR>before =
proceeding=20
with the analysis.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>--David Shobe<BR>S=FCd-Chemie =
Inc.<BR>phone (502)=20
634-7409<BR>fax&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (502) 634-7724<BR>email&nbsp; <A =

href=3D"mailto:dshobe@sud-chemieinc.com">dshobe@sud-chemieinc.com</A><BR>=
<BR>__________________________________________________________________</P=
></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In fact, it&#8217;s impossible to use =
pseudopotential=20
with AIM.<BR>I suggest &nbsp;you to make a simple point energy =
calculation at a=20
higher level with a full basis set like DZVP<BR>You can find it and =
other basis=20
sets at the=20
address<BR>http://www.emsl.pnl.gov:2080/forms/basisform.html<BR><BR>Since=
rely=20
yours<BR><BR>Etienne Derat<BR>-- <BR><BR>Etienne =
Derat<BR>Doctorant<BR>Groupe=20
Mod=E9lisation et R=E9activit=E9 Chimique <BR>UMR 6519 "R=E9actions =
s=E9lectives et=20
Applications"<BR>Universit=E9 de Reims Champagne-Ardenne<BR><BR>T=E9l : =
+33 3 26 91=20
32 45<BR>Fax : +33 3 26 91 31=20
66<BR>________________________________________________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dr. Mu=3DF1oz,<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; The =
problem with=20
using AIM and molecules using described with ECP's<BR>is that the =
integration of=20
the density requires the full density.<BR>I know of no implementation of =
AIM=20
that can either work without that<BR>core density or can "replace" it by =

analyzing the core potential.<BR><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp; So in short, no there =
is no=20
option for using AIM with ECP's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><BR>Douglas J. Fox<BR>&nbsp; Technical=20
Support<BR>&nbsp; Gaussian, Inc.<BR>&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:help@gaussian.com">help@gaussian.com</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>_________________________________________________</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
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NT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dr. Miguel A. Ram=EDrez =
Mu=F1oz<BR>Instituto=20
Universitario de Bio-Org=E1nica "Antonio Gonz=E1lez"<BR>Universidad de =
La=20
Laguna<BR>Astrof=EDsico Francisco S=E1nchez, n=BA 2<BR>38206, La Laguna, =
Tenerife,=20
Spain<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Tfno:=20
(22)318594<BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:mramirez@ull.es">mramirez@ull.es</A><BR>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=
&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
<A=20
href=3D"http://webpages.ull.es/users/mramirez.htm">http://webpages.ull.es=
/users/mramirez.htm</A></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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I guess it it is well known that the Koopmans that won the 1975 nobel prize
in economics is also the same person that is quoted in our famous Koopmans
"theorem".

I was surprised the other day to learn that his past in theoretical
chemistry is unknowned to the economists. As a matter of fact, here is how
he presented this period of his life in his nobel prize autobiography
(http://www.nobel.se/economics/laureates/1975/koopmans-autobio.html) :

"in 1930, I switched [from mathematics] my emphasis to theoretical physics -
a timid compromise between my desire for a subject matter closer to real
life and the obvious argument in favor of a field in which my mathematical
training could be put to use. [...] Below, I cite my one publication in
quantum mechanics so that I can add here that Kramers's generosity and my
inexperience combined to prevent his being listed as co-author of that
paper. He should have been, because, although the main proposition was my
own idea, Kramers, besides guiding the writing, also supplied the proof"

This means that his paper ("Ueber die Zuordaung von Wellenfunktionen und
Eigenwerten zu den einzelnen Elektronen eines Atoms, "Physica 1, no. 2,
1934, pp. 104-113) was the only one he ever wrote in the field.

I know it was not uncommon at the time that people publishing in theoretical
physics/chemistry were in fact mathematicians, but i am surprised that his
work seemed so secondary in his career. Could it be that he was even unaware
of how much he is quoted in theoretical chemistry ?

Any hints ?

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Dear CCLers,

last week I posted a question about a free molecule editor under Linux.

Many thanks to all who answered !!
(summary below)


Best regards,

Anselm



======================================================================
Original question:
-------------------------

I am looking for a free 3D-molecule editor/builder (not just viewer)
under Linux/Unix.
Input should be mouse-and-click-orientated (not just visualized
Z-matrix-input),
and ideally it should run without any additional installation effords
(i.e. statically linked; C/C++/[Java]).

At the moment, I am only aware of Pymol and GDIS.
Are there any established alternatives ?

My motivation is to offer our Windows-trained students some familiar
input facility and visualization tool...


======================================================================
Here are the summarized answers:
-------------------------

I'm rather biased towards the Ghemical package under the GNOME
environment. Excellent editor and improving fairly quickly. The package
uses the new Open Babel project (included) for file translation to many
file formats.

There are now RPMs and Debian .debs available too.
<http://www.uku.fi/~thassine/ghemical/>

--
-Geoff Hutchison                <hutchisn@chem.nwu.edu>
Marks/Ratner Groups             (847) 491-3295
Northwestern Chemistry          <http://www.chem.nwu.edu>

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Hello,

perhaps take a look at WebMO:

http://www.webmo.net

Kind regards,

Wibke Sudholt
University of California, San Diego
USA

-------------------------

Dear Anselm,

the Marvin Java applets are not totally free but maybe worth a look:

http://www.chemaxon.com/marvin/

Cheers

Thomas Wein

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Please look at http://chemviz.ncsa.uiuc.edu/ under nanocad editor or
http://chemviz.ncsa.uiuc.edu/cgi-bin/nanocad/nanocad.cgi You can
register
and get an account free.
This applet will be included in a java based portal application to be
distributed in the next few months.

Sudhakar.


-------------------------

Dear Anselm,

My response may be way off the mark, Linux-wise, but if you are ever in need of
a very inexpensive Windows molecule builder, please consider looking at
ArgusLab (www.arguslab.com).

Sincerely,
Mark Thompson

-------------------------

Anselm,

        I'm curious about what your experience has been with PyMOL so
far, in terms of being a builder.  The project is still in 'early days'
and the documentation on building is nonexistent, but have you been able
to use it for this purpose at all?  If you have, are the critical
missing components you would add first in order to help address your
basic needs?

        Obviously PyMOL won't change greatly overnight, but over the
next 6-12 months, I'd like it to evolve into a better and better tool
for this kind of thing, particularly when it comes to students...

Cheers,
Warren

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Alexandre Hocquet:

> I guess it it is well known that the Koopmans that won the 1975
> nobel prize in economics is also the same person that is quoted in
> our famous Koopmans "theorem".
> 
> I was surprised the other day to learn that his past in theoretical
> chemistry is unknowned to the economists. ....

Dear Alexandre,

your story reminds me of another, albeit less famous one, namely that 
of Oeyvind Burrau. He was born in Copenhagen, Denmark, in 1896 and was 
educated as a practical mathematician in the life insurance field, 
but in 1926-1927 he was associated with Niels Bohr's Institute of 
Theoretical Physics in Copenhagen. In 1926 he performed what would 
seem to be the first ab initio quantum mechanical calculation of a 
molecular species with a covalent bond: By numerical integration in 
spheroidical coordinates, he solved the Schroedinger equation for the 
hydrogen molecule cation (within the approximation later to be 
associated with the names of Born and Oppenheimer):

Oe. Burrau: "Berechnung des Energiewertes des Wasserstoff Molekel-Ions 
(H2+) im Normalzustand", Die Naturwissenschaften, 16-17 (1927).
["Zuschrift", submitted 22. November 1926]

Oe. Burrau: "Berechnung des Energiewertes des Wasserstoff Molekel-Ions
(H2+) im Normalzustand", Det Kgl. Danske Videnskabernes Selskab, 
Mathematisk-fysiske Meddelelser VII,14 (1927).

The latter, full paper shows potential energy curves and plots of the 
electron density distribution. However, Burrau did not continue in 
this field, but switched to that of geodesy where he had a brillant 
career, leading to the post of "State Geodesian of Denmark" during 
1952-63. - In the Danish "Who's Who" (Kraks Blaa Bog 1973), Burrau's 
brief association with Bohr's Institute and his contribution to the 
birth of computational quantum chemistry and is not mentioned at all.

Yours, Jens >--<




    

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Dear CCLers,
      I would like to do the docking calculation which includes the real 
solvents molecules. The AutoDock includes solvent effect by using 
the dielectric constant but I want the real solvents. Does anybody know
method or software for this purpose ?
      Thank you in advance.

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Hi all

Is there a way to convert a CHARMm dcd file that was written on a
unix machine to one that can be read by a Linux version of CHARMm?

I tried DYNA FORM on the unix box and then DYNA UNFORM on the
Linux machine, but this didn't work because DYNA UNFORM couldn't
read the NTITLE value or version number.

Alternatively, how can one write the correct info to the dhx file?

Thanks,
Richard

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Hi,

Try FlipDCD.  http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Development/MDTools/flipdcd/

-Jim


On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Dr. Richard L. Wood wrote:

> Hi all
>
> Is there a way to convert a CHARMm dcd file that was written on a
> unix machine to one that can be read by a Linux version of CHARMm?
>
> I tried DYNA FORM on the unix box and then DYNA UNFORM on the
> Linux machine, but this didn't work because DYNA UNFORM couldn't
> read the NTITLE value or version number.
>
> Alternatively, how can one write the correct info to the dhx file?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
> --
> Richard L. Wood, Ph. D.
> Physical/Computational Chemist
> Post-doctoral Associate
> Department of Food Science
> 120 Stocking Hall
> Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853
>
>
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On Tue, 19 Mar 2002, Jim Phillips wrote:
> Try FlipDCD.  http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Development/MDTools/flipdcd/
> 
> -Jim

I found this to be a problem for CHARMM (vs. CHARMm); flipdcd seemed to
be written for REAL*4 trajectories such as the commercial CHARMm
creates, while the academic CHARMM switched to REAL*8 several years ago.

I never got flipdcd to work on CHARMM REAL*8 trajectories.


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Dear Colleagues:

Is it possible in GAUSSIAN to calculate atoms nuclear charges? For example:

F(-1/3), 

where the the monatomic system is X and the charge is Z so the ground state 
is F(0) (in the above case)? 

If it cannot can you recommend a pacakge that will?




Best Wishes;

Abraham F. Jalbout
Department of Chemistry
University of New Orleans



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><FONT  SIZE=2>Dear Colleagues:
<BR>
<BR>Is it possible in GAUSSIAN to calculate atoms nuclear charges? For example:
<BR>
<BR>F(-1/3), 
<BR>
<BR>where the the monatomic system is X and the charge is Z so the ground state is F(0) (in the above case)? 
<BR>
<BR>If it cannot can you recommend a pacakge that will?
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>Best Wishes;
<BR>
<BR>Abraham F. Jalbout
<BR>Department of Chemistry
<BR>University of New Orleans
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