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From: Elmar Gerwalin <gerwalin@rhrk.uni-kl.de>
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Subject: g98: convergence of scrf=ipcm
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Hello,

could someone please tell me the convergence criteria for
a g98 scrf=ipcm calculation ?
A job of me seems to run forever.

(and by the way: only 2 parameters for the input stream
 of scrf=ipcm are documented:
    epsilon and the isodensity value,
 but in some inputs (from the test suite of g98)
 I read "scrf with multiple origins"
 and a line like
     78.3 0.001 24 12 3 F 0
 ends the input.

  What is the meaning of those values?)

Thanks a lot for your help.

Bye
Elmar


Maybe a part of an output helps:
---------------------
(Enter /usr/local/g98/l117.exe)
  10 Phi and    5 Theta Values Per Atom
 NABMO  STP  ISTEP  RAD  NUMR  CUTOFF DStMX0 MoBas?
  4 5.00E-02   5 1.0E-01  20 1.0E-10 1.0E+01  F
 Using single center to handle rho isosurface.
 Intersections with the isosurface found.
 Max. Dist. Between Center of Nuclear Charge and Isosurface = 7.669214E+00
 Min. Dist. Between Center of Nuclear Charge and Isosurface = 4.289005E+00
 Total "Solvent Accessible Surface Area" of Solute = 4.950386E+02
 Volume of Solute Cavity = 9.100482E+02
 Total number of points on surface is      50
 Tomasi Approximation I
 (1/(4*pi)) Times Flux of Nuclear E Field Thru Surface =    52.880295
 Actual Positive Charge Within Cavity =    53.000000
 (1/(4*pi)) Times Flux of Solute E Field Thru Surface =     1.247899
 Tomasi Approximation II
  ....
 Iteration number  15 MaxDiff  0.139697791212E-05
 Self polarization converged in  15 iterations.
 ...
 Largest difference in charges from previous cycle is 0.396523001340E-03
 Tomasi Approximation III
 Net Surface Polarization Charge Divided by -(1-1/epsi) =     1.000000
 Leave Link  117 at Wed Jul 10 22:21:34 2002,
  ...
 (Enter /usr/local/g98/l301.exe)
  ...
 Background charge distribution read from rwf:
 Nuclear-Charge attraction  =        -8.5059494510
   193 basis functions      304 primitive gaussians
    26 alpha electrons       26 beta electrons
       nuclear repulsion energy       311.0936271612 Hartrees.
 Nuclear repulsion after solvent point charges= 306.8406524357 Hartrees.
 Leave Link  301 at Wed Jul 10 22:21:34 2002,      ....

----~---------------------



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Dear CCL's,

i need some literature according the relationship of molecular vs. macroscopic
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Dear all,

Has anyone ever compiled a list of substructure search queries that one can
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Dear Colleagues,

We are interested in studying localized chemical reactions on silicon 
Si(111) surfaces, a complex surface which requires large clusters for a 
good representation of the reaction environment.  The ONIOM method is 
probably our best bet to circumvert the computational bottle neck.

I would very much appreciate any help to resolve the following:

In the Si(111) cluster, there is a number of tri-coordinated Si atoms 
(each with one dangling bond). The part to be included in the high-level 
calculation does not include all of the dangling bonds.  Therefore the 
multiplicities of the high-, intermediate-, and low-levels should be 
different.

Gaussian98 seems to mandate the usage of the same multiplicity for the 
three layers. Firsttly, is that a true statement?. If not, then how can 
one specify in G98 different multiplicity for different layers? 

The following is a section of an input file (which failed):

#p oniom=(ub3lyp/3-21g*:ub3lyp/Gen:am1) opt=z-matrix

Si(111), 3 ad-atoms + 1 rest atom with 1 Cl-Benz adsorbed

0 2	 	(multiplicity for the H level - only 1 dangling bond)
0 3 		(multiplicity for the M level - 2 dangling bonds)
0 3 		(multiplicity for the L level - 2 dangling bonds)
 Si 0  x1  y1  z1  M
 Si 0  x2  y2  z2  H
 Si 0  x6  y6  z6  M                
 ....... 
 .......

G98 does not allows except for ONE line for multiplicity specification 
followed by the molecular geometry. As a result the same multiplicity 
is assigned for the three layers.

Thank you very much.   

    Cherif
    
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  Theoretical/Computational Chemist,
  Lash Miller Chemical Laboratories,
  Chemistry Department,
  University of Toronto,
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Hello,

 only 4 parameters for the input stream
 of scrf=ipcm are documented:

    epsilon , the isodensity value, the nr of Phi and Theta points

 but in some inputs (from the test suite of g98)
 you find jobs, described "scrf with multiple(or: single) origins"
 and a line like

     78.3 0.001 24 12 3 F 0

 ends the input.

  What is the meaning of the last 3 values "3 F 0" ?

It has something to do with the "number of origins",
but I cannot see what (even reading the source code didn't help me)


Maybe a part of an output helps:
---------------------
(Enter /usr/local/g98/l117.exe)
  10 Phi and    5 Theta Values Per Atom
 NABMO  STP  ISTEP  RAD  NUMR  CUTOFF DStMX0 MoBas?
  4 5.00E-02   5 1.0E-01  20 1.0E-10 1.0E+01  F
 Using single center to handle rho isosurface.
 ...
------

Thanks a lot for your help,

bye

Elmar

==============================================================
Elmar Gerwalin , University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
                 gerwalin@rhrk.uni-kl.de
                 (soon: ) http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~gerwalin
==============================================================





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Dear Elmar, and other members of CCL...

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> To: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST@ccl.net
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> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> for 2 days I try to post a message to the CCL List.
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> Could you please tell me if I made a mistake or
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> 
> bye
> 
> Elmar
> ==============================================================
> Elmar Gerwalin , University of Kaiserslautern, Germany
>                  gerwalin@rhrk.uni-kl.de
>                  (soon: ) http://www.rhrk.uni-kl.de/~gerwalin
> ==============================================================
> 
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Dear CCL,
   There are some very helpful responses to my query about the=
 most common structure.
   They are listed below (with permission for responses not=
 already posted to the list).
   Looks like this can work with some care (kernel problems for=
 which patches are available seem to be the key).
   I really appreciate the responses provided, 
=09=09Steve Bowlus, 
=09=09Rick Venable, 
=09=09David Shobe.
   Who have the program about it, please tell me, thanks.        =
             

---------------------
Original Question:

Sir/Miss=A3=BA
    Good morning.
=09Who can tell me how to pick up the most common structure from a=
 set
of compounds, and save it into a structure file? Could you=
 indicate to me
further softwares able to perform the same task? I have SYBYL=
 software, but
no DISTILL module.


=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
Here are the answers received:
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D

From: David Shobe < dshobe@sud-chemieinc.com >
=09
=09I dont' have the answer, but I will ask a clarifying question=
 that may help others.
 =09If you take the phrase "most common structure" literally, it=
 means the (sub)structure which is present in the greatest number=
 of compounds in the set. This would end up being individual=
 atoms like C or H, if we don't make any restrictions on what is=
 a structure.  But if there is a restriction, for example that a=
 "structure" must consist of at least 5 atoms, then this would be=
 a meaningful question with a nontrivial answer.
=09However, the above interpretation relies on a fine point of=
 English usage, and I would not be surprised if the intended=
 request is for the LARGEST common structure, that is the largest=
 substructure which is present in ALL of the compounds of the=
 set.  
=09Note that "common" can mean either "occurring frequently" as in=
 the first interpretation, or "occurring in all" as in the=
 second.  
=09I didn't mean to turn this into an English lesson, but I hope=
 this ensures that the right question is answered.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Form Rick Venable <rvenable@gandalf.cber.nih.gov>

I usually use a 2 step process:

(1) compute the average coordinate structure 
(2) find structure with smallest coord RMSD vs. average

=09I've termed this the 'typical' structure.  I often limit the=
 RMSD calc to heavy atoms, or just the polymer backbone.
=09I use CHARMM for this, but perhaps SYBYL has a scripting=
 procedure that could be used to accomplish the 2 steps.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> From  Steve Bowlus <stephen.bowlus@lionbioscience.com>

Since you refer to the Distill module, I infer you are looking=
 for the "Maximal Common Substructure" (in Tripos parlance). =
 This will entail a lot of trying this and trying that, but one=
 way to attack the problem is 

0) Just to make visualization easier, delete all H from the=
 compounds in your database.
1) select a "representative" molecule from the database.
2) guess the largest substructure, and delete all other atoms
  - You can make a guess and run, or you can nibble away at the=
 molecule by deleting "trivial" functionality
3) run File > Align Database using the structure from 2 as the=
 alignment template
  - If the fragment is present in every molecule, the alignment=
 will run without any messages informing you that the structure=
 is not present.
4) iterate steps 2 and 3 until the alignment step gives no=
 messages.  You can check by loading the database into Sybyl=
 (database get * m2 retrieve); the aligned molecules will stack=
 up very clearly using the substructure from 2
=09
=09This does not guarantee that the fragment you find is the=
 largest or only large common fragment, but you can try other=
 starting points as well.

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=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D



Li Qiang

Shanghai Institute of Organic Chemistry
Chinese Academy of Sciences 

No.354 Road FengLin
ShangHai, 200032, China
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Subject: how to get over 2G intermidiate file on linux g98? 
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hi CCLers

I heard that g98 on linux can make single over 2Gbyte intermediate file.
we use g98 rev a11.3 on Redhat 7.2 (kernel 2.4) 
and I know Redhat 7.2 kernel exeeding over 2Gfile size limit.
so this problem"can't make over 2G intermidiate file"  may be derived from g98.
Anyone know how to improbe this problem?

I know how to divide  under 2G rwf file to 8 rwf files.
so we can get summed 16Gbyte inetrmidiate file.but we want to get single file whose size is over 2Gbyte..

regards!


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