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hi CCLers:

  I have a general question about data structure of program. Now I am
involving a biological system which contains protein, water, ion and
surface by using MD technique. What I want is to code a general FORTRAN
program which can deal with single or multiple component system.

 For example, if the system contains protein, water, ion and surface,
it is very straightforward to assign different components with different
arrays,
e.g.

  x(n),v(n),a(n) represent protein coordinate,velocity and acceleration.
  wx(3,n),wv(3,n),wa(3,n) represent water coor., velo. and acce.
  ionx(n),ionv(n),iona(n) represent ion coor., velo. and acce.
  ...

  Now, I am wonder that

1) is that data structure suitable to deal with biological systems?
2) how other softwares such as CHARMM, AMBER or GROMACS to handle such
systems.

   I will appreciate your any suggestion. thanks.

 Jie


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JIE:

  In my opinion, it is far better to use C++ if you 
want good modern data structures. 
(Some may suggest using Python script for the user
interface and C or C++ under ... this is also good,
but one must be aware of the memory and performance
limitations of Python). If you work carefully,
performance with C++ can be quite good and the code will be 
much easier for others to maintain and improve (than FORTRAN)
in the future. You can even check out VMD/NAMD or similar 
freely-available, open codes that will probably already 
do what you want ... in parallel.

I'm sure you will hear many opionions on this.

Richard Gillilan
MacCHESS
Cornell


"J. Zheng" wrote:
> 
> hi CCLers:
> 
>   I have a general question about data structure of program. Now I am
> involving a biological system which contains protein, water, ion and
> surface by using MD technique. What I want is to code a general FORTRAN
> program which can deal with single or multiple component system.
>

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"J. Zheng" <jzheng73@u.washington.edu> writes:

> 1) is that data structure suitable to deal with biological systems?

It's as good as many others. However, the difficulty of biological  
systems lies elsewhere. The rather complex force fields require
a considerable effort to prepare energy evaluations, and rather
complex data structures for energy terms.

If you want to write a simulation program from scratch for dealing
with biological systems, plan a lot of time for that. I also
do not recommend using Fortran, which is not well equipped
to handle the complex data structures.

You might be better off starting with existing code that already
does much of the work. I am aware of two codes that can handle
biomolecules and that are OpenSource software, i.e. permit you
to make your own modifications and pass them on to others:
GROMACS (www.gromacs.org), written in C, and my own
Molecular Modelling Toolkit (dirac.cnrs-orleans.fr/MMTK/),
written in a mixture of Python and C.
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Babel  can only convert from one format to another, assiging residue
names is not a simple conversion problem, it requires a search and
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>>> eric hu <erichu_linux@yahoo.com> 07/18/02 12:56 PM >>>
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standard way to do this kind of thing. However babel
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Babel  can only convert from one format to another, assiging residue
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>>> eric hu <erichu_linux@yahoo.com> 07/18/02 12:56 PM >>>
Of course I tried Babel first which I thought is the
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Dear Dr. Molnar:

I have the same problem. The platform I installed ADT
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"polygon offset extension failed" is flagged.

I run the control distributed file 3ptb-ben and it
generated ben.pdbq & 3ptb.pdbqs almost perfectly. Now,
I'm trying to resolve usage of ADT with my samples.

Anyone would please kindly give us hint.

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Hi all


I just want to let everyone know that I have solved my own problem.

What happened was that I was translating half of a 74.5848 A box of
water 24.8616 A, instead of translating it 74.5848 A.  Thus, this  leads
to
bad contacts, and bad energy.

I want to thank everyone that offered suggestions to me.


Cheers,

Richard

"Dr. Richard L. Wood" wrote:

> Hi all
>
> I have what I think is a very strange problem.
>
> I'm curently using a "big" version of CHARMm, one that will handle
> 60,000+ atoms.
> I have built a system that consists of a glycosylated peptide having 27
> amino acids and
> 21 mannoses.  The system is solvated with 14,375 TIP3P waters, giving a
> total of 43,915
> atoms.  When I try and calculate the energy of the system with all the
> waters present, the
> energy goes through the roof; that is to say, I get stars instead of
> numbers for the energy.
> However, if I change the number of waters in the lines
>
> READ SEQUENCE TIP3 8844
> GENERATE WAT NOANGLE NODIHE
>
> READ SEQUENCE TIP3 5531
> GENERATE WAT2 NOANGLE NODIHE
>
> to this:
>
> READ SEQUENCE TIP3 5700
> GENERATE WAT NOANGLE NODIHE
>
> CHARMm is able to read the structure in and calculate its energy.
>
> The other way, with 14,375 waters defined in the input file, it will
> read the structure in,
> but claculates the energy as *********.  I don't want to go with only
> 5700 waters as my peptide
> won't be completely solvated.  With the 14,375 waters, I have a shell
> around the peptide about 18 A
> thick.
>
> Obviously, I'm under the 60,000 atom limit, but I'm over some other
> limit that I'm not aware of.
> Has anyone encountered this problem before and how is it handled?
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Richard
>
> --
> Richard L. Wood, Ph. D.
> Physical/Computational Chemist
> Post-doctoral Associate
> Department of Food Science
> 120 Stocking Hall
> Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853

--
Richard L. Wood, Ph. D.
Physical/Computational Chemist
Post-doctoral Associate
Department of Food Science
120 Stocking Hall
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY 14853





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Does anyone know where I can find good data for the equilibrium constants, (as a
function of temperature), for the reactions:

H2 + Cl2 = 2HCL

and

H2 + Br2 = 2HBr

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Hi all

I have yet ANOTHER stupid CHARMM question.

I'm doing a verlet simulation on a system other than a water box, namely 
my solvated peptide which I just fixed (finally).  I'm currently in the 
process of heating my system from 100 to 300 K in 50 K steps.

My question is this: what values should I use for IHTFRQ, the heating 
frequency, and TEMINC, the heating increment in degrees K?  My 50 K 
heatings run last for 10,000 time teps; I've broken it up into 4 10 ps 
heatings.

I was thinking something along these lines, namely that the number of 
steps divided by IHTFRQ times TEMINC should be equal to the change in 
temperature, or in this case 50.  In the CHARMm dictionary, 
published by MSI, there is an example where the number of steps, 
STEPS is 3000, IHTFRQ is 50, and TEMINC is 5.  Does this always 
hold, or am I goofy?  In my run, I've set IHTFRQ to be 100 and this 
means that TEMINC would be 0.5.  My NSTEPS are 10000.  Are these 
values of IHTFRQ and TEMINC ok?

Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Cheers,
Richard
 

