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Hi,

Do you actually mean pyramidality, don't? The out-of-plane displacement
is not the best measure, as it depends on the bond lengths.
For different possibilities (such as POAV or P index)
have a look at
http://www.compuchem.com/m2m2.htm


Tamas

Dr. Tamas E. Gunda
University of Debrecen,
H-4010 Debrecen, Hungary
tamasgunda@tigris.klte.hu

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> Hi
>
> I'm trying to calculate tau, the out of plane displacement for a
> central atom to which three others are attached (eg for I-J-K-L, K is
> the central atom, I, J, L are attached), assuming you know all bond
> lengths between K and the attached atoms and all angles (I-K-L, etc).  I
> have made a weak attempt at coming up with this but since this value is
> often reported (without reference as to how it was determined/calc) I
> was hoping that someone had the necessary equations to figure this out.
> Thanks.
>
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Dear Sir:
    I have a question about the VASP program. I want to know
if I can keep some atom velosities constant and leave the others in free dynamic motion when I use the constant velocity MD function in VASP. How can I get this goal?

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Hi,

To be specific, in case someone should still want to get the out-of-plane
hight:

c     out-of-plane distance

      opr11=q(4)-q(4)    x origin corner (opr is distance, q is position)
      opr12=q(5)-q(5)    y
      opr13=q(6)-q(6)    z

      opr21=q(10)-q(4)   x right leg corner
      opr22=q(11)-q(5)   y
      opr23=q(12)-q(6)   z

      opr31=q(7)-q(4)    x left leg corner
      opr32=q(8)-q(5)    y
      opr33=q(9)-q(6)    z

      opr41=q(1)-q(4)    x top corner
      opr42=q(2)-q(5)    y
      opr43=q(3)-q(6)    z

      opl=(opr41*(opr22*opr33-opr23*opr32)-     opl is out-of-plane
     &     opr42*(opr21*opr33-opr23*opr31)+
     &     opr43*(opr21*opr32-opr22*opr31))/
     &    dsqrt((opr22*opr33-opr23*opr32)**2+
     &     (opr21*opr33-opr23*opr31)**2+
     &     (opr21*opr32-opr22*opr31)**2)


this is the projection of the vector from the origin to the top onto the
normal vector of the plane spaned by the two legs.

I've used this in potential functions used at low energies. I guess, at
higher energies one has to care about coupling to other bond length
related modes.

take care!
:-)
/Harald


On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Tamas E. Gunda wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Do you actually mean pyramidality, don't? The out-of-plane displacement
> is not the best measure, as it depends on the bond lengths.
> For different possibilities (such as POAV or P index)
> have a look at
> http://www.compuchem.com/m2m2.htm
>
>
> Tamas
>
> Dr. Tamas E. Gunda
> University of Debrecen,
> H-4010 Debrecen, Hungary
> tamasgunda@tigris.klte.hu
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Gannett" <pgannett@hsc.wvu.edu>
> To: <chemistry@ccl.net>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 22:49
> Subject: CCL:calculate tau (out of plane displacement)
>
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> > Hi
> >
> > I'm trying to calculate tau, the out of plane displacement for a
> > central atom to which three others are attached (eg for I-J-K-L, K is
> > the central atom, I, J, L are attached), assuming you know all bond
> > lengths between K and the attached atoms and all angles (I-K-L, etc).  I
> > have made a weak attempt at coming up with this but since this value is
> > often reported (without reference as to how it was determined/calc) I
> > was hoping that someone had the necessary equations to figure this out.
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Pete
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Hi all

I've moved on from CHARMm and I'm just beginning with Gaussian and I am
having some difficulties.

I'm trying to find the transition state in a reaction, but it won't seem
to do what I want it to (It could be that I'm not using the
correct commands).

Here's part of my input file:

$RunGauss
%chk=test2.chk
#opt=(calcall,ts) freq=noraman rb3lyp/6-31g

  test2

 -1  1

I know that some of my commands are not correct.  I also want to use a
different basis set than a 6-31g.  What I have runs, but it gives me 21
imaginary frequencies and it stops, giving me the following message:

Error termination request processed by link 9999.
Error termination via Lnk1e in /usr/gaussian/g98/l9999.exe.

I also tried to increase the number of cycles N to 1000 by using
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Dear CCLer's:
Here is the replies to my question:

Dear CCL members, 
> I am sorry to post this general question. 
> I am using a double beam spectrophotometer to measure the electronic 
> absorption spectra of some organic compounds, so I am using the solvent as
a 
> blank and run autozeroing before scanning the sample. My question is:
should 
> I stop scanning at the cutoff wavelength (240 nm) of the solvent or may I 
> measure the samble beyond the cutoff wavelength of the solvent? As the 
> solvent is in the blank cell so its interference will be eliminated, is
that 
> correct? 
> regards 
> Tarek 
----------------------------------------------------------------
----------------------------------------------------------------

REPLIES:
Dear Tarek, 

Well, if you ran autozeroing with the same solvent 
in both cells and use that information in running the sample against 
the solvent, you are perfectly OK. One of your test should 
proabbly be in the autozeroing step, where you should get 
either a rising line or a descending one as you gather 
the spectrum from longer to shorter wavelength. The reason 
is of course that the all solvents have very large peaks 
in the sigma-sigma* region which is under 200nm 
and even a tiny difference between the cells, of 0.001cm 
will give rise to large absorption differences - you have a 
hign molarity of your solvent (~55 for water so A= eps*l*c 
can get fairly large). 

I hope that this helps, 

Amiram 

=================================================
Dear Tarek, 

There is usually no need to stop scanning at the cutoff point. 

However, any results below that point should be treated with caution. 
It is possible that you could get spurious peaks in that region; this 
depends on what particular type of spectrophotometer you are using. The 
older machines with mechanical chopper mechanisms were very prone to 
this type of artifact.  Modern ratio recording machines are a lot 
less prone to this effect 

Remember also that the cutoff is not necessarily a sharp point. My 
advice would be to check the actual absorption of the solvent 
by running a spectrum  of the solvent (+ cell) against air. 

Remember also that you will be able to work at lower wavelengths 
if you use a thin cell (1 mm) rather than the usual size (10 mm). 

Also read what the manufacturer's manual says about the sensitivity 
at low transmissions. 

Cheers 

Peter Bladon 

===========================================================
Hi, 

It is also useful to measure the solvent and the sample separately and 
extract the solvent spectrum from that of the sample. It can be done by 
most of theavailable spectrophotometers with a built-in function. 
Best, 
Csaba 

============================================================
Dear Tarek, 

        If the solvent does not transmit light below 240 nm, then any 
data collected in that solvent would be meaningless.  If some small 
amount of  light is transmitted (the most likely case) then you will 
obtain some data below 240 nm, but the noise will be greatly increased. 
 You could check the definition of 'cutoff wavelength' to see whether it 
means 0.1%, 1% or 10% of full intensity, etc.  Generally, data collected 
below the solvent cutoff would be considered unreliable. 

        Regards, 

                 Steve 

=========================================================
Dear Tarek: 

My experience with this kind of problem suggests that you can't go much 
below the cutoff wavelength for the solvent, even if you are using it as 
blank in a double beam instrument.  The problem is that as you get beyond 
the cutoff wavelength, you still aren't going to get enough light through 
the blank to allow for a really proper correction.  Most instruments will 
try to take things as far as you can, but sooner or later you get so little 
signal through the blank that the instrument has a hard time trying to 
apply any blank correction because the signal is so weak and noisy.  So, 
you might be able to push it a bit, but really not too far. 

Hope this was of some help. 

Brian Williams,Chemistry 
Buckenll University 

============================================
 I take it you are using UV-Vis.  Generally, one doesn't scan beyond the
cutoffs of the equipment, whether this is the cufoff of the optics, the
glassware (quartz in your case, I suspect, but Pyrex will do for > 290 or
so),  or the solvent.  Even well matched cells will have some differential
absorption for the solvent in this situation.  A good peak deconvolution
program might recover some sample information in this region -- this may be
a function of software provided with modern spectrometers, but not with
older dual-beam instruments.  You should consult the manufacturer's
literature, or some of the standard texts on care and feeding of UV
measurements.

Cheers, 
Steve 

================================================
Tarek 

The problem with measuring the absorbance in a region where the solvent 
absorbs is that very little light makes it to the instrument's detector, 
even for the blank.  Thus you would be trying to detect the difference 
between the very low light intensity for your reference and an even lower 
intensity for the sample plus solvent.  In practice, most instruments 
allow enough stray light to reach the detector to make the measurement 
you're describing suspect at best.  Therefore, the solvent blank does not 
assure a meaningful result, and subtracting the spectrum of the solvent 
> from the spectrum of the solution is not likely to help.  Adherence to 
Beer's law (the linearity of absorbance with concentration) would perhaps 
suggest that your results are meaningful. 

ciao, 
Bruce 



Bruce Palfey 
Department of Biological Chemistry 
University of Michigan 
Ann Arbor, MI 48109-0606 


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Hi,
I use dual-proccessor tyan mainboards (S2462) for 
g98 and generaly I'm quite happy with them.
Unfortuantely I've found that if difference of
temperature between both proccessores is larger
then 4-5 degree system becomes unstable.

Is somebody aware of software runing under linux
wich can report temperature from hardware sensors
of board?

With kind regards
K.Radacki

p.s.
Tyan has written me that they have no support for 
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Several people pointed out to me that I could do a calc and then compare
with tables - but more assuring I got response from Doug Fox that stated
that the units are au.

A big thank you to everyone who responded.

/Patrik

Original question below.

Patrik Johansson skrev:
> 
> Hi CCLers
> 
> I have seen this Q in the archives (many times) - but no answer:
> 
> What are the units used by G98 for polarisabilities and
> hyperpolarisabilities? I.e. are they a.u.**3 or Angstrom**3 ?
> 
> I've sent the same Q to Gaussian - and if I get response I will post it
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On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Krzysztof Radacki wrote:

> I use dual-proccessor tyan mainboards (S2462) for 

check: http://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/index.html 

It should work, yes.

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For temperature monitoring under Linux, check out the lm_sensors
package (http://www2.lm-sensors.nu/~lm78/). You'll need to verify that
your particular hardware is supported.

Regards,

Jason Gans

On Thu, 31 Oct 2002, Krzysztof Radacki wrote:

[...] 
> Is somebody aware of software runing under linux
> wich can report temperature from hardware sensors
> of board?
> 

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Hi,

I was trying to compile Gaussian 98 on the Linux using pgf77 trial), at
first it always
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link libpthread.so.0 
into util.so; then compilation could continue on until l402.exe, the
compiler reported 
"multiple defination" of a series of functions, and stopped. The linux
distribution is 
Redhat 7.3 preloaded on Dell workstation. Have anyone encountered the
same problem?
Thanks!

Zhanwu Liu
----------------------
Zhanwu Liu, Ph.D.
Department of Anesthesiology
University of Pittsburgh

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I`d like to perform a geometry optimization (in Gaussian) of a molecule
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Thank you for your reply. I should have mentioned in my original email
that I'm working with a solid state system, specifically modelling of
surfaces. I have access to programs that implement tight-binding and DFT
methods. I have had some good results, but still need to work on my
simulations. My main area of confusion concerns what to do when the
kinetic energy has been damped to essentially zero, but I am not yet at
the potential energy minimum. 
thank you. 

Richard Gillilan wrote:
> 
> In dynamics with friction and stochastic terms there is the
> tendency to mask problems in the underlying trajectory
> integration/dynamics. I believe the step size should be
> chosen so that zero-friction dynamics is stable for long
> time ... that way you know the underlying dynamics is good.
> Usually for dynamics, you would choose a stepsize of 1 or 2
> fsec when hydrogen atoms are present. With a unified atom model
> or bond-length constraints you can go larger. The step size you
> need must be smaller than a typical oscillation period for any
> coordinate. Oscillation period depends upon both the stiffness
> of the spring and the effective mass of the atom or body.
> 
> You could then turn up the friction a little to give you
> what you want. I assume you are using it as a sort of
> simulated annealing?
> 
> I would love to know how others choose good friction terms for
> Langevin type simulations. Perhaps others will comment.
> 
>  Richard Gillilan
>  MacCHESS, Cornell
> 
> > 2) What are good strategies to decide the friction coefficient and time
> > step? I noticed that if the time step is too large, the kinetic
> > instabilities are common.
> >
> > thanks for any help.
> >
> > Aaron Deskins
> > Purdue University
> >
>


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Hi,

This is known problem, and there is a fixed version on there
web site.

You can download fixed "libthreads.so" from following URL.
ftp://ftp.pgroup.com/x86/linux86-patches/redhat73

Regards,
         Aaron

At 14:29 02/10/31 -0500, Liu, Zhanwu wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I was trying to compile Gaussian 98 on the Linux using pgf77 trial), at
>first it always
>  report "pthreads_creat not ...", then I modified the g98.make file to
>link libpthread.so.0
>into util.so; then compilation could continue on until l402.exe, the
>compiler reported
>"multiple defination" of a series of functions, and stopped. The linux
>distribution is
>Redhat 7.3 preloaded on Dell workstation. Have anyone encountered the
>same problem?
>Thanks!
>
>Zhanwu Liu
>----------------------
>Zhanwu Liu, Ph.D.
>Department of Anesthesiology
>University of Pittsburgh
>
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