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Subject: Re: CCL:cartesians to z-mat and back
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Again I would like to mention Mol2Mol. It can convert Cartesian to Z-matrices with the following options:

You can give the three starting atoms;
The program steps along the atoms by star method or chain method or arbitrary manual numbering;
Option to add MOPAC flags (*, 0, 1 or whatever you want)
Option to use elemental symbols or atomic numbers;
Option to select the dummy atom symbol;
Option to add charges or not;
Option to select left/right handed system;
Option to create Gaussian format with symbolics;
Option to select the number of decimals.

Maybe the first option is the most important:  In the case of the "chain" method the algorithm first tries to
step along the longest chains of the molecule, and after them deals with the other atoms.  In the case of the
"star" method the program tries to include every atoms connected to the previous one before advancing:

To read more about go to:
http://web.interware.hu/frenzy/mol2mol

select from the left menu bar Mol2Mol in a Nutshell, then Molfiles, then Z matrix /write

Tamas Gunda
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Department of Pharmaceutical Chemistry
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----- Original Message -----
From: "elewars" <elewars@trentu.ca>
To: "Jan Labanowski" <jkl@ccl.net>; <chemistry@ccl.net>
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Subject: CCL:cartesians to z-mat and back


> 2003 May 11
>
> I might just add that
>
> As Jan Labanowski implies, writing an algorithm to convert a general set of
> molecular Cartesians to a good Z-matrix is a problem in artificial intelligence
> (the converse is trivial).
> The dying (?) art of writing a Z-matrix is treated nicely and compactly, with
> useful caveats, in _A Handbook of Computational Chemistry_, Tim Clark, Wiley, New
> York, 1985; pp 102-119.
>
> E. Lewars
> ======
>
>
>
>
>
> Jan Labanowski wrote:
>
> > I love MOLDEN and use it often for my geometry conversions. It comes
> > with the Z-matrix editor:
> >
> > http://www.cmbi.kun.nl/~schaft/molden/molden.html
> >
> > It should be stressed that conversion of cartesians to Z-matrix can only
> > be a trivial task for molecules that are trees (i.e., do not contain cycles).
> > When rings (or more complicated arrangements, like cages, say, cubane) are
> > present, the well behaved Z-matrix should contain dummy atoms. You can try
> > to understand the problem by build the Z-matrix in such a way
> > that changing one parameter does not affect any other parameters.
> >
> > For example, the z-matrix for benzene ring has to involve a centroid (a dummy
> > atom in the center of the ring) or otherwise, changing one torsion angles
> > within the ring will change other torsion angles. With the centroid, and
> > the rays going from it to the real atoms, you can build a Z-matrix which
> > does not involve dependencies between parameters.
> >
> > Now... Can the software detect such situations automatically and deal with
> > them. Sure... However, quite frankly, I did not see much of such
> > packages around. It is not a trivial problem, and even for simple molecules
> > with cycles, there are many ways to represent their geometry as a Z-matrix.
> > And deciding which Z-matrix is better, is again not a trivial thing. While
> > there are obviously objective measures, this is still an art, and the
> > beauty of the Z-matrix is in the eye of the beholder. And while there are
> > methods which make Z-matrix less important for unconstrained optimization
> > of the whole molecule (e.g., redundant internal coordinates in Gaussian),
> > there is nothing better than a well behaved Z-matrix when doing partial
> > optimizations of chosen geometrical features of the molecule(s), e.g.,
> > when studying transition states and reaction paths.
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > Jan K. Labanowski         |  phone: 614-292-9279,  FAX: 614-292-7168
> > Ohio Supercomputer Center |  E-mail: jkl@ccl.net
> > 1224 Kinnear Rd,          |  http://www.ccl.net/~jkl
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Hi Dimitry,

there are a lot of these pseudopotential planewave DFT codes. They differ most probably in the pseudopotential implementation (accuracy & efficiency). Some typical examples are:
CPMD (free of charge for public research)
VASP (small cover fee)
Abinit
Fleur
Siesta
Campos (free of charge)
and some more I do not know ...


I know, that there is a commercial version of VASP for Windows systems (www.materialsdesign.com), but rather expensive.

If you want to go to LCAO based stuff, try
Crystal (HF, DFT, MP2 in development)
Gaussian03 (HF, DFT, MP2 was announced but withdrawed again as I understand the website)
For Gaussian, there is a Windows version available.

My hint: Change to Linux, there are much more possibilities. And mostly cheaper! The desired program depends on your plans. If DFT is precise enough, use one of the pseudopotential codes. They are due to plane wave basis sets much more efficient. If you want to use MP2, well, ...


Hope this helps

Alex

On Mon, May 12, 2003 at 10:20:20PM +0400, Dmitry Rozmanov wrote:
> Thank you for the suggestion. Actually I know about CPMD, but still have not
> tried it. I have no access to unix computer, only to windows ones. And could
> not compile CPMD under windows.
> 
> Though, I ran into AbInit code. Have you know anything about it? Is it
> better or worse than CPMD? Is it the same thing as CPMD?
> 
> Regards.
> 
>     ---Dmitry.

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To: CCL <chemistry@ccl.net>
Subject: CCL:Re: How to calculate molecular volume

The ASV freeware computes analytically surfaces and volumes
of any union of spheres. The precision is near the machine
real*8 precision, and thus the volumes values may be used for
numerical calculations of gradients. The reliability is
good, since the method handles all topological situations
for the set of spheres, including those which are never
encountered in chemistry. If your input set contains
some uncertainty, you can automatically generate perturbated
inputs and see the effects on the analytical values.
If you need real*16 precision, I can recompile for you
the f77 source, provided that this is on a platform enabling
it (e.g. the IBM autodblpad compiler option).
The freeaware ASV includes also a Monte-Carlo calculation of
surfaces and volumes (with precision calculus), which is useful
if you need a short computing time for large sets, and provided
that a limited precision suffice, such as for empirical correlations.
See programmes, documentation, and ref. of the method on:
http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.freeware.html#ASV

The rectangular grid containing the molecule may be approximated
> from the xmin,xmax, ymin,ymax, zmin,zmax via random rotations.
Before doing that, since the parallelepiped box is convex, you
can first extract the extremal points which the RADI freeware,
which computes also the minimal sphere containing your set of
points. See programmes, documentation and reference on:
http://petitjeanmichel.free.fr/itoweb.petitjean.freeware.html#RADI

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=?gb2312?q?Jinsong=20Zhao?= <zh_jinsong@yahoo.com.cn> wrote:
>Dear all,
>
>I hope to know if there is any program or routine
>could calculate the molecular volume with high
>precision and reliability, moreover, to figure out the
>length, width and high of the grid that contain the
>molecule.=20
>
>Any comments, suggestion are welcome!
>
>Thanks for essential responses!
>
>Best regards,
>
>Jinsong


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Can anyone recommend a fee (or cheap) program for looking at proteins that
can render the molecules using anaglyph (i.e., red/blue) stereo?

Bruce Palfey
Department of Biological Chemistry
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> Does any one know of a plugin that can be used with a browser under 
> Mac OSX that will allow one to view 3-D chemical structures.?   I am 
> thinking of a Chime-like plug-in, but MDL has no plans for OSX or 
> Linux.  I am familiar with iMol but have been unable to install it as 
> a helper ap.
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> Phil Bays
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On Tuesday 13 May 2003 16:59, Philip Bays wrote:
> > Does any one know of a plugin that can be used with a browser under
> > Mac OSX that will allow one to view 3-D chemical structures.?   I am
> > thinking of a Chime-like plug-in, but MDL has no plans for OSX or
> > Linux.  I am familiar with iMol but have been unable to install it as
> > a helper ap.

Have a look at Jmol: jmol.sourceforge.net.
It's applet does most browsers/platforms, including MacOSX.

The soon-to-be-released version 6 has interesting scripting facilities which 
allows HTML pages to interact with the applet.

kind regards,

Egon Willighagen


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Hello,

Floating point exception errors occurred at an very early stage of a
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Does anyone have any idea to avoid this kind of error?

My route section looks like the following:

#P B3LYP/6-31G* opt=(modredundant,TS,noeigen,CalcFC) nosymm GFINPUT
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I also added scf=qc and also tried to check frequencies by freq instead
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Dear All,

I am in a urgent need to unserstand the threshold values of global score
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Dear All,

The docking software BiGGER in the top of solution manager window shows a
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VMD (http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/vmd/) as an anaglyph rendering option.
I nerver used anaglyph within VMD myself so I can't comment on its
rendering.

NAMD2 is free.


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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Computational Chemistry List
> Can anyone recommend a fee (or cheap) program for looking at
> proteins that
> can render the molecules using anaglyph (i.e., red/blue) stereo?
>
> Bruce Palfey



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I think that SwissPDB Viewer can do it, and it can be downloaded for 
free from

http://us.expasy.org/spdbv/

Luck!

Bruce Allan Palfey wrote:

>Can anyone recommend a fee (or cheap) program for looking at proteins that
>can render the molecules using anaglyph (i.e., red/blue) stereo?
>
>Bruce Palfey
>Department of Biological Chemistry
>University of Michigan
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