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2004 July 2

People new to gaussian may wish to note that Gaussian *never* seems to 
find a transition state unless the NoEigentest (see below) keyword is 
included. I don't know why this is not the default. A good option is 
often Opt(TS, NoEigenTest, mndofc, MaxCycle=99).

EL
=====


Yan Zhao wrote:

>Substitute "POpt=(Saddle=1)" for "opt=(ts,noeigentest,maxcycle=100)", then
>it will not stop because the wrong number of Negaative eigenvalues, if the
>optimization does not converge, you probably should try some better initial
>guesses of the geometry or add "calcfc" in the opt keyword.
>
>Yan 
>
>On 1 Jul 2004, Carsten Detering wrote:
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>>Hi all,
>>
>>  I would like to optimize a complex involving a bifurcated hydrogen 
>>bond between three nitrogen atoms (trimethylamine and triazen) to a 
>>saddle point (which I know exists from previous Mopac calculations). 
>>Taking this header line in the input file
>>
>>B3LYP/6-31g* POpt=(Saddle=1) nosymmetry test
>>
>>the optimization finishes with an error
>>
>>optimization stopped
>>	--wrong number of Negative eigenvalues: Desired= 1 Actual= 2
>>	--Flag reset to prevent archiving
>>
>>Then I get, at the bottom, the typical proverb that you see only when a 
>>calculation has successfully finished, and then
>>
>>Could anybody make some suggestions how to fix this?
>>
>>Thanks a lot in advance,
>>
>>Carsten
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Hi all

When one does an ab-initio calculation using HyperChem, what are the 
units?  I can't find the answer to this question anywhere.

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Hi all!!!
Gaussian plays tricks again. The same file in G94 runs without any 
problem but in G98 it reduces the number of the basis used... I am 
trying to run a single point calculation using an uncontracted basis set 
by partridge.

same command line for both
#p rhf/gen scf(conver=10) nosymm field=read


-------------------------------------------- MESSAGE IN 
------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------G98--------------------------------------------
Two-electron integral symmetry is turned off.
   187 basis functions      196 primitive gaussians
    26 alpha electrons       26 beta electrons
       nuclear repulsion energy       147.4020983233 Hartrees.
 Leave Link  301 at Fri Jul  2 09:46:53 2004, MaxMem=    6291456 
cpu:       0.1
(Enter /usr/local/g98/l302.exe)
 One-electron integrals computed using PRISM.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 2.00D-04.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 4.00D-04.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 8.00D-04.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 1.60D-03.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 3.20D-03.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 6.40D-03.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 1.28D-02.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 2.56D-02.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 4.12D-08 with   186 functions, increasing 
threshold to 5.12D-02.
 Error in orthogonal basis= 3.10D-09 with   182 functions, increasing 
threshold to 1.02D-01.
 NBasis=   187 RedAO= T  NBF=   187
 NBsUse=   167 1.02D-01 NBFU=   167

-------------------------------------------- MESSAGE IN 
------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------G94W------------------------------------------

Two-electron integral symmetry is turned off.
   187 basis functions      187 primitive gaussians
    26 alpha electrons       26 beta electrons
       nuclear repulsion energy       147.4020983233 Hartrees.
 Leave Link  301 at Fri Jul 02 10:22:17 2004, MaxMem=    4000000 cpu:1.0
 (Enter C:\G94W\l302.exe)
 One-electron integrals computed using PRISM.
 The smallest eigenvalue of the overlap matrix is  2.425E-04
 Leave Link  302 at Fri Jul 02 10:22:17 2004, MaxMem=    4000000 cpu:1.0
 (Enter C:\G94W\l303.exe)

any hint?

Cheers
Demetrios






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Michel Petitjean wrote:

>To: chemistry<<at>>ccl.net
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>
>Konrad Hinsen <hinsen<<at>>cnrs-orleans.fr> wrote:
>  
>
>> If I had to do this (fortunately I don't), I'd first identify the
>>
>>peptide planes as patterns of pairwise distances (they are quite 
>>rigid). I'd then identify the sidechains atom by atom starting from the 
>>C-alphas, again by distance criteria. Not a trivial task, but not an 
>>impossible one either.
>>    
>>
>
>Sure... if you have the side chains ! (were not indicated in the example)
>It needs other assumptions: true residues, no HETATM, lexicographical
>ordering coherent with the PDB conventions...
>  
>
There are programs (such as ARP/wARP) which start with NO atom information, not even coordinates, and can correctly build a protein structure based on an electron density map using pattern recognition techniques.  The ambiguities there, such as ASP vs. ASN, are not present when you know the elements, as we do here.  ARP/wARP is also gaining ligand building capabilities and already handles water molecules.

ARP is part of CCP4 so you get source code with it.
http://www.embl-hamburg.de/ARP/

Of course if you have any unexplained data (whether electron density or known atom positions) that do not fit the pattern of an amino acid, you can just leave them alone and inform the user.



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Hi all

Has anyone out there installed Autodock under Cygwin?  If so, I'd 
appreciate some advice/pointers as I'm about to attempt to do it.

Thanks in advance.

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Hi all!!!
Gaussian plays tricks again. The same file in G94 runs without any 
problem but in G98 it reduces the number of the basis used... I am 
trying to run a single point calculation using an uncontracted basis set 
by partridge.

same command line for both
#p rhf/gen scf(conver=10) nosymm field=read


-------------------------------------------- MESSAGE IN 
------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------G98--------------------------------------------
Two-electron integral symmetry is turned off.
  187 basis functions      196 primitive gaussians
   26 alpha electrons       26 beta electrons
      nuclear repulsion energy       147.4020983233 Hartrees.
Leave Link  301 at Fri Jul  2 09:46:53 2004, MaxMem=    6291456 
cpu:       0.1
(Enter /usr/local/g98/l302.exe)
One-electron integrals computed using PRISM.
Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 2.00D-04.
Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 4.00D-04.
Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 8.00D-04.
Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 1.60D-03.
Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 3.20D-03.
Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 6.40D-03.
Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 1.28D-02.
Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
threshold to 2.56D-02.
Error in orthogonal basis= 4.12D-08 with   186 functions, increasing 
threshold to 5.12D-02.
Error in orthogonal basis= 3.10D-09 with   182 functions, increasing 
threshold to 1.02D-01.
NBasis=   187 RedAO= T  NBF=   187
NBsUse=   167 1.02D-01 NBFU=   167

-------------------------------------------- MESSAGE IN 
------------------------------------
---------------------------------------------------G94W------------------------------------------

Two-electron integral symmetry is turned off.
  187 basis functions      187 primitive gaussians
   26 alpha electrons       26 beta electrons
      nuclear repulsion energy       147.4020983233 Hartrees.
Leave Link  301 at Fri Jul 02 10:22:17 2004, MaxMem=    4000000 cpu:1.0
(Enter C:\G94W\l302.exe)
One-electron integrals computed using PRISM.
The smallest eigenvalue of the overlap matrix is  2.425E-04
Leave Link  302 at Fri Jul 02 10:22:17 2004, MaxMem=    4000000 cpu:1.0
(Enter C:\G94W\l303.exe)

any hint?

Cheers
Demetrios



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I need to know dependence of the dielectric constant of water on pH-value.
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Hello Michael,

Obviously there are side residues also with hydrogens, and you know this
> from my replay that I send to you responding on your first remark.
I simply did not present the whole protein pdb in the three different
formats (XYZ, defected pdb, and correct pdb) in order to save place
in the email. I wrote in my original message presented for CCL
that it is a fragment from the whole protein.
I thought that to see the problem it is sufficient to present
only four lines from the whole protein.

Following your logic:

 Imagine that you are the programmer: how could you know from
 the atomic symbols and the X,Y,Z coordinates what could be
the residue ? The N,CA,C,O coordinates of all residues of
all known proteins in the PDB offer quite similar 3D patterns.

Sure... if you have the side chains ! (were not indicated in the example)
It needs other assumptions: true residues, no HETATM, lexicographical
ordering coherent with the PDB conventions...


why didn't you suggest that the protein was consisted from only four
atoms presented in my email?

Kind regards,
Michael

To: chemistry(at)ccl.net
Subject: CCL:software to convert  XYZ format to PDB ?

Konrad Hinsen <hinsen(at)cnrs-orleans.fr> wrote:
> On Jul 1, 2004, at 11:57, Michel Petitjean wrote:
> > Imagine that you are the programmer: how could you know from
> > the atomic symbols and the X,Y,Z coordinates what could be
> > the residue ? The N,CA,C,O coordinates of all residues of
> > all known proteins in the PDB offer quite similar 3D patterns.
>
> If I had to do this (fortunately I don't), I'd first identify the
> peptide planes as patterns of pairwise distances (they are quite
> rigid). I'd then identify the sidechains atom by atom starting from the
> C-alphas, again by distance criteria. Not a trivial task, but not an
> impossible one either.

Sure... if you have the side chains ! (were not indicated in the example)
It needs other assumptions: true residues, no HETATM, lexicographical
ordering coherent with the PDB conventions...

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Carsten,

The success of a  transition state optimization depends on how close you 
start to the optimized geometry.  The optimized geometries are likely to be 
different in a MOPAC semi-empirical calculation than in a B3LYP/6-31g* 
calculation.  However, you might better your odds at converging by trying

B3LYP/6-31g* OPT=(TS,CalcFC,NoEigenTest)

which requests that Gaussian calculate, rather than approximate, the force 
constants used in the optimization and not initially fail if more than one 
negative frequency is found.

Will Polik

At 02:35 PM 7/1/2004, Carsten Detering wrote:
>  I would like to optimize a complex involving a bifurcated hydrogen bond 
> between three nitrogen atoms (trimethylamine and triazen) to a saddle 
> point (which I know exists from previous Mopac calculations). Taking this 
> header line in the input file
>
>B3LYP/6-31g* POpt=(Saddle=1) nosymmetry test
>
>the optimization finishes with an error
>
>optimization stopped
>         --wrong number of Negative eigenvalues: Desired= 1 Actual= 2
>         --Flag reset to prevent archiving
>
>Then I get, at the bottom, the typical proverb that you see only when a 
>calculation has successfully finished, and then
>
>Could anybody make some suggestions how to fix this?
>
>Thanks a lot in advance,
>
>Carsten

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Carsten,<br><br>
The success of a&nbsp; transition state optimization depends on how close
you start to the optimized geometry.&nbsp; The optimized geometries are
likely to be different in a MOPAC semi-empirical calculation than in a
B3LYP/6-31g* calculation.&nbsp; However, you might better your odds at
converging by trying<br><br>
B3LYP/6-31g* OPT=(TS,CalcFC,NoEigenTest)<br><br>
which requests that Gaussian calculate, rather than approximate, the
force constants used in the optimization and not initially fail if more
than one negative frequency is found.<br><br>
Will Polik<br><br>
At 02:35 PM 7/1/2004, Carsten Detering wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>&nbsp;I would like to optimize a
complex involving a bifurcated hydrogen bond between three nitrogen atoms
(trimethylamine and triazen) to a saddle point (which I know exists from
previous Mopac calculations). Taking this header line in the input
file<br><br>
B3LYP/6-31g* POpt=(Saddle=1) nosymmetry test<br><br>
the optimization finishes with an error<br><br>
optimization stopped<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>--wrong
number of Negative eigenvalues: Desired= 1 Actual= 2<br>
<x-tab>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</x-tab>--Flag
reset to prevent archiving<br><br>
Then I get, at the bottom, the typical proverb that you see only when a
calculation has successfully finished, and then<br><br>
Could anybody make some suggestions how to fix this?<br><br>
Thanks a lot in advance,<br><br>
Carsten<br>
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Holland, MI&nbsp; 49422-9000<br>
USA<br><br>
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Can anybody suggest how to calculate BSSE correction
in g03 ? I want to calculate BSSE corection for ion-water
system.

thanks
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Hi! Gaussian has the "counterpoise" keyword to calculate that. Check the 
online manual for details and examples, it is very straightforward:
http://www.gaussian.com/g_ur/k_counterpoise.htm
kadir

Bhabani Shankar wrote:

>Can anybody suggest how to calculate BSSE correction
>in g03 ? I want to calculate BSSE corection for ion-water
>system.
>
>thanks
>Bhabani
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Hi! Looks like you have linear dependency problems in your basis set. 
You have to improve it. Maybe G94 was not checking for that, or had 
different tolerence compared to G98.
kadir


Demetrios Xenides wrote:

> Hi all!!!
> Gaussian plays tricks again. The same file in G94 runs without any 
> problem but in G98 it reduces the number of the basis used... I am 
> trying to run a single point calculation using an uncontracted basis 
> set by partridge.
>
> same command line for both
> #p rhf/gen scf(conver=10) nosymm field=read
>
>
> -------------------------------------------- MESSAGE IN 
> ------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------------------G98-------------------------------------------- 
>
> Two-electron integral symmetry is turned off.
>  187 basis functions      196 primitive gaussians
>   26 alpha electrons       26 beta electrons
>      nuclear repulsion energy       147.4020983233 Hartrees.
> Leave Link  301 at Fri Jul  2 09:46:53 2004, MaxMem=    6291456 
> cpu:       0.1
> (Enter /usr/local/g98/l302.exe)
> One-electron integrals computed using PRISM.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 2.00D-04.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 4.00D-04.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 8.00D-04.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 1.60D-03.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 3.20D-03.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 6.40D-03.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 1.28D-02.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 1.61D-07 with   187 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 2.56D-02.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 4.12D-08 with   186 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 5.12D-02.
> Error in orthogonal basis= 3.10D-09 with   182 functions, increasing 
> threshold to 1.02D-01.
> NBasis=   187 RedAO= T  NBF=   187
> NBsUse=   167 1.02D-01 NBFU=   167
>
> -------------------------------------------- MESSAGE IN 
> ------------------------------------
> ---------------------------------------------------G94W------------------------------------------ 
>
>
> Two-electron integral symmetry is turned off.
>  187 basis functions      187 primitive gaussians
>   26 alpha electrons       26 beta electrons
>      nuclear repulsion energy       147.4020983233 Hartrees.
> Leave Link  301 at Fri Jul 02 10:22:17 2004, MaxMem=    4000000 cpu:1.0
> (Enter C:\G94W\l302.exe)
> One-electron integrals computed using PRISM.
> The smallest eigenvalue of the overlap matrix is  2.425E-04
> Leave Link  302 at Fri Jul 02 10:22:17 2004, MaxMem=    4000000 cpu:1.0
> (Enter C:\G94W\l303.exe)
>
> any hint?
>
> Cheers
> Demetrios
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Dear CCLers,

I am using Gaussian03 (B3LYP) to study the adsorption of a molecule on a
surface. I would like to measure the strength of the interaction by means
of an exchange energy.

Is there any way to get a value for the exchange energy from a Gaussian
calculation? I was hoping to use Morokuma decomposition - but there doesn't
seem to be any software available for doing this (using results from Gaussian).

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Hi! Everyone!

I am studying the bonding characteristics among atoms in solids such as zinc sulfide. And I am trying to find an efficient way to describe the bonding characteristics between or among atoms, expecially for those with special hybridization states such as d5-d5, d10-d10, and d0-d0. 

Any suggestions from you would be appreciated! 

Thank you in advance for your future help!

Sincerely yours



