Nice try but unresponsive. You can rationalize evil all you = want, but it is still evil.

Jim Kress

From:= = owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com ~ ccl.net = [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com ~ ccl.net] On = Behalf Of David A Mannock dmannock,ualberta.ca
Sent: = Monday, May 02, 2011 5:29 PM
To: Kress, Jim =
Subject: CCL: To begin with computational = chemistry

Jim, I know. I feel guilty every time a = take an egg from a chicken or go to a cut-price movie theatre. lol The = unfortunate reality is that in the third world piracy of software and = text books is commonplace and there is little that we can do to stop it. = In order to stop it and bring those countries into line, there have to = be electronic options put in place for teaching purposes. Once = qualified, many of those people will probably buy a hard copy to put on = their bookshelf if they continue in science. Personally, I smile when I = see someone copy a paragraph or two from one of my papers into their own = "original" work. In reality, since knowledge is power, and I = occasionally have to pay an advertizing fee to publish, I wonder if I = should not be getting a royalty payment everytime someone downloads or = photocopies my papers. Hmm! I wonder if I could afford a Lamborghini = just like my brothers after all? Dave

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Jim Kress = ccl_nospam++kressworks.com <owner-chemistry:ccl.net> = wrote:

There is no justification for = theft.

Jim Kress

> From: = owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net
[mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3D kressworks.com]_[ccl.net] On Behalf Of
David A Mannock = dmannock(-)ualberta.ca
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 = PM
To: Kress, Jim
Subject: CCL: To begin with computational = chemistry

Chris, as a newbie to computational chemistry, = I try to use every resource
that I can get hold of. I have to admit = that I sometimes pirate electronic
copies to help me search texts = which are often long and complicated. A
recent point relevant to this = issue is Jacob Israelachvili's "Intermolecular
and surface = forces", 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a black = hole
known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated online copy = of this
essential text. I later bought a second-hand hard copy, while = awaiting the
appearance of the 3rd Edition, which was due to appear = in 2010, but came out
in 2011. I have read the 1991 2nd edition cover = to cover and have returned
to it in order to refresh my memory many = times. After talking to Jacob
Israelachvili, he explained the delays = in getting the 3rd edition to press
and told me when it would be = available. Within a week of it coming off the
presses, I had bought a = copy from Amazon out of my own pocket. The new
edition is several = hundred pages longer than the previous copy and an
electronic version = would be useful to me. It is a beautifully written
masterpiece in my = opinion. However, many publishers are slow in their move
into the = electronic realm. This is where the future lies.

My job ends here = on June 30th, 2011, but I still have responsibilities for
writing up = papers for a student. I will not have access to online = library
facilities here because of local University policy. Despite = this, I would
still be willing to buy a new edition of your book to = help with my
calculations on my Linux box. I would do this out of my = own pocket if need
be.

As I see it, one of the main purposes = of text books is to put all of the
knowledge in a certain area in one = place for ease of reference. I think that
this is very valuable for = those of us who do research and those who teach.
Putting together a = new edition of your book would be recognized as a
valuable = contribution by people in this scientific area, but rather than = be
pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to make an = electronic copy
available for sale at 50% of the price of the = softcover. A university could
either buy a yearly site license for = distribution to students at a lower
price, or the institution could = host a copy which could be read online, but
not downloaded. There = will always be people who want to get something for
nothing and who = are willing to remove the encryption on electronic media,
the = simplest solution is to make the text available at a lower cost = for
academic use and make some money rather than none. You should be = talking to
your publisher about this policy, as it will help their = bottom line and your
standard of living in your retirement!! So cheer = up and realize that old
dogs, like myself, would rather sit on a sun = lounger on my back porch
reading your new edition, than sitting at a = computer screen in the lab or in
my study! David Mannock

On = Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cramer cramer+/-umn.edu
<owner-chemistry++ccl.net> = wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Christopher Cramer [cramer-$-umn.edu]
My...

The least you can do if = you're going to steal the book, and post it online
for piracy, is = choose a later printing -- then people won't have to refer to
so many = errata.

Now I recall why I've been reluctant to devote the time = to a 3rd edition...

CJC

On Apr 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, = Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/gmail.com
wrote:

>
> Sent to = CCL by: Deepangi Pandit [deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com]
> Hi = Bhargav:
> You can refer "Essentials of Computational = Chemistry: Theories and
> Models" by Christopher J. = Cramer
>
>
http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20= of%20Computational%20
Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20= -%20Christopher%20J.%20Crame
r.pdf
>
> = ShortURL
>
> http://alturl.com/jks5j
>
> Also = please feel free to browse
>
> http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/Int= roCompChem.pdf
>
> I believe these are good starting = points and based on your interests
> you can explore the topic/s = further.
>
> Regards,
> = Deepa
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, = Bhargav Trivedi
> bhargavatrivedi*|*gmail.com <owner-chemistry~!~ccl.net> = wrote:
>>
>> Sent to CCL by: "Bhargav = Trivedi" [bhargavatrivedi[-]gmail.com]
>> Dear all,
>> I = would like to learn computational chemistry. Please tell me how can = I
prepare for it.
>> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical = chemistry & an academician since last 16
years. I teach = thermodynamics and electrochemistry to under graduates.
>> = Thanks a lot:
>> Dr. Bhargav Trivedi,
>> Associate = Professor of Chemistry,
>> J & J College of = science,
>> Nadiad, Gujarat.
>> = India>
>

--

Christopher J. Cramer
Elmore H. = Northey Professor
University of Minnesota
Department of = Chemistry
207 Pleasant St. SE
Minneapolis, MN = 55455-0431
--------------------------
Phone: (612) 624-0859 = <tel:%28612%29%20624-0859> || FAX: (612) = 626-7541
<tel:%28612%29%20626-7541>
Mobile: (952) 297-2575 = <tel:%28952%29%20297-2575>
email: cramer,+,umn.edu
jabber: = cramer,+,jabber.umn.edu
http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/~cramer <http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/%7Ecramer>
(websit= e includes information about the textbook "Essentials
of = Computational Chemistry: Theories and Models, 2nd = Edition")<br

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[mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D3D=3D3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net] On =3D
Behalf Of = David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca Sent: = =3D
Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM To: = Kress, Jim =3D
 Subject: CCL: To begin = with computational = =3D
chemistry<o:p></o:p></div>= ;</div><o:p> </o:p>= Chris, as a newbie to = computational =3D
chemistry, I try to use every resource that I can = get hold of. I have to =3D
admit that I sometimes pirate electronic = copies to help me search texts =3D
which are often long and = complicated. A recent point relevant to this =3D
issue is Jacob = Israelachvili's "Intermolecular and surface = =3D
forces", 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a = black hole =3D
known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated = online copy of this =3D
essential text. I later bought a second-hand = hard copy, while awaiting =3D
the appearance of the 3rd Edition, = which was due to appear in 2010, but =3D
came out in 2011. I have = read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and =3D
have returned to it = in order to refresh my memory many times. After =3D
talking to Jacob = Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the =3D
3rd edition = to press and told me when it would be available. Within a =3D
week of = it coming off the presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out =3D
of = my own pocket. The new edition is several hundred pages longer than = =3D
the previous copy and an electronic version would be useful to = me. It is =3D
a beautifully written masterpiece in my opinion. = However, many =3D
publishers are slow in their move into the = electronic realm. This is =3D
where the future = lies. My job ends here on June 30th, 2011, but I = =3D
still have responsibilities for writing up papers for a student. = I will =3D
not have access to online library facilities here because = of local =3D
University policy. Despite this, I would still be = willing to buy a new =3D
edition of your book to help with my = calculations on my Linux box. I =3D
would do this out of my own = pocket if need be. As I see it, one =3D
of the = main purposes of text books is to put all of the knowledge in a = =3D
certain area in one place for ease of reference. I think that = this is =3D
very valuable for those of us who do research and those = who teach. =3D
Putting together a new edition of your book would be = recognized as a =3D
valuable contribution by people in this = scientific area, but rather than =3D
be pessimistic about piracy, ask = your publishers to make an electronic =3D
copy available for sale at = 50% of the price of the softcover. A =3D
university could either buy = a yearly site license for distribution to =3D
students at a lower = price, or the institution could host a copy which =3D
could be read = online, but not downloaded. There will always be people =3D
who want = to get something for nothing and who are willing to remove the = =3D
encryption on electronic media, the simplest solution is to make = the =3D
text available at a lower cost for academic use and make some = money =3D
rather than none. You should be talking to your publisher = about this =3D
policy, as it will help their bottom line and your = standard of living in =3D
your retirement!! So cheer up and realize = that old dogs, like myself, =3D
would rather sit on a sun lounger on = my back porch reading your new =3D
edition, than sitting at a = computer screen in the lab or in my study! =3D
David = Mannock  <o:p></o:p><div>On Sat, Apr =3D
30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, = Christopher Cramer cramer+/-<a =3D
href=3D3D"http://umn.edu">umn.edu</a> = <<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:owner-chemistry++ccl.net= ">owner-chemistry++ccl.net</a>>=3D
wrote:<o:p= ></o:p> Sent to CCL by: = Christopher Cramer =3D
[cramer-$-<a href=3D3D"http://umn.edu" = =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">umn.edu</a>] My... <br&g= t;The least you can do if =3D
you're going to steal the book, and = post it online for piracy, is choose =3D
a later printing -- then = people won't have to refer to so many = =3D
errata. Now I recall why I've been reluctant = to devote the time =3D
to a 3rd = edition... CJC On Apr 30, 2011, at = 12:30 PM, =3D
Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/<a = href=3D3D"http://gmail.com" = =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">gmail.com</a> = wrote: > > Sent to CCL = =3D
by: Deepangi Pandit [<a href=3D3D"http://deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com" = =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com</a>] &am= p;gt; Hi =3D
Bhargav: > You can refer = "Essentials of Computational =3D
Chemistry: Theories = and > Models" by Christopher J. = =3D
Cramer > > <a = =3D
href=3D3D"http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20= of%20Compu=3D
tational%20Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed= %20-%20Christophe=3D
r%20J.%20Cramer.pdf" = =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Essentials%20= =3D
of%20Computational%20Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed= %20-%20=3D
Christopher%20J.%20Cramer.pdf</a> &g= t; > =3D
ShortURL > > = <a href=3D3D"http://alturl.com/jks5j" = =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">http://alturl.com/jks5j</a> >= > Also =3D
please feel free to = browse > > <a = =3D
href=3D3D"http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/Int= roCompChem=3D
.pdf" = =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/Int= =3D
roCompChem.pdf</a> > > = I believe these are good starting =3D
points and based on your = interests > you can explore the topic/s = =3D
further. > > = Regards, > = =3D
Deepa > > ><br&= gt;> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, =3D
Bhargav = Trivedi > bhargavatrivedi*|*<a href=3D3D"http://gmail.com" = =3D
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 Trivedi" = [bhargavatrivedi[-]<a href=3D3D"http://gmail.com" = =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">gmail.com</a>] >> = Dear all, >> I =3D
would like to learn = computational chemistry. Please tell me how can I =3D
prepare for = it. >> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical chemistry = =3D
& an academician since last 16 years. I teach = thermodynamics and =3D
electrochemistry to under = graduates. >> Thanks a = =3D
lot: >> Dr. Bhargav = Trivedi, >> Associate Professor of = =3D
Chemistry, >> J & J College of = science, >> Nadiad, = =3D
Gujarat. >> = India> > -- = Christopher J. =3D
Cramer Elmore H. Northey = Professor University of =3D
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> style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497=3D >> D'>There is no justification for theft.

> class=3D3DMsoNormal>> style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497=3D >> D'>

> style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497=3D >> D'>Jim Kress

> style=3D3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F= 497=3D >> D'>

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> 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'>

> style=3D3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>> >> From:=3D >> =3D >> owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D3D=3D3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net =3D >> [mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D3D=3D3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net] On =3D >> Behalf Of David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca
Sent: =3D >> Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM
To: Kress, Jim =3D >>
Subject: CCL: To begin with computational =3D >> chemistry

> class=3D3DMsoNormal>

> style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Chris, as a newbie to computational =3D >> chemistry, I try to use every resource that I can get hold of. I have to= =3D >> admit that I sometimes pirate electronic copies to help me search texts = =3D >> which are often long and complicated. A recent point relevant to this = =3D >> issue is Jacob Israelachvili's "Intermolecular and surface =3D >> forces", 2nd Edn. As our lab copy disappeared into a black hole =3D >> known as my colleagues basement, I found a pirated online copy of this = =3D >> essential text. I later bought a second-hand hard copy, while awaiting = =3D >> the appearance of the 3rd Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but = =3D >> came out in 2011. I have read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and = =3D >> have returned to it in order to refresh my memory many times. After =3D >> talking to Jacob Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the = =3D >> 3rd edition to press and told me when it would be available. Within a = =3D >> week of it coming off the presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out = =3D >> of my own pocket. The new edition is several hundred pages longer than = =3D >> the previous copy and an electronic version would be useful to me. It is= =3D >> a beautifully written masterpiece in my opinion. However, many =3D >> publishers are slow in their move into the electronic realm. This is =3D >> where the future lies.

My job ends here on June 30th, 2011, but I= =3D >> still have responsibilities for writing up papers for a student. I will = =3D >> not have access to online library facilities here because of local =3D >> University policy. Despite this, I would still be willing to buy a new = =3D >> edition of your book to help with my calculations on my Linux box. I =3D >> would do this out of my own pocket if need be.

As I see it, one = =3D >> of the main purposes of text books is to put all of the knowledge in a = =3D >> certain area in one place for ease of reference. I think that this is = =3D >> very valuable for those of us who do research and those who teach. =3D >> Putting together a new edition of your book would be recognized as a =3D >> valuable contribution by people in this scientific area, but rather than= =3D >> be pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to make an electronic = =3D >> copy available for sale at 50% of the price of the softcover. A =3D >> university could either buy a yearly site license for distribution to = =3D >> students at a lower price, or the institution could host a copy which = =3D >> could be read online, but not downloaded. There will always be people = =3D >> who want to get something for nothing and who are willing to remove the = =3D >> encryption on electronic media, the simplest solution is to make the =3D >> text available at a lower cost for academic use and make some money =3D >> rather than none. You should be talking to your publisher about this =3D >> policy, as it will help their bottom line and your standard of living in= =3D >> your retirement!! So cheer up and realize that old dogs, like myself, = =3D >> would rather sit on a sun lounger on my back porch reading your new =3D >> edition, than sitting at a computer screen in the lab or in my study! = =3D >> David Mannock

On Sat, A= pr =3D >> 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cramer cramer+/-> href=3D3D"http://umn.edu">umn.edu <> href=3D3D"mailto:owner-chemistry++ccl.net">owner-chemistry++ccl.net >> >=3D >> wrote:

> class=3D3DMsoNormal>

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Mauricio Fe= derico Erben erben.:.quimica.unlp.ed= u.ar <o= wner-chemistry-#-ccl.net> wrote:

= Dave, I have some doubts regarding the terms=20 you present the problem, especially about the role of the =96assumed- third= world=20 piracy.

= As far as I know -for example in=20 Argentina- the science bureau pays=20 for the access to journals from several "first world" editorials,= and the cost=20 is not inexpensive, actually. Indeed, in relative terms, the access to the= =20 information is a quite elevate amount of=A0our modest science budgets. The= =20 same apply for the computer programs and books available in our=20 universities.

= The property of the knowledge, including=20 copyright and other topics, is a very interesting issue to be discussed, bu= t the=20 =93unfortunate reality in the third world=94, -even when only science is co= ncerning-=20 is beyond piracy=85 please don=92t trivialize the question.

= Best regard,

= Mauricio.

= =A0

= =A0

= =A0

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 David A=20 Mannock dmannock,ualberta.ca

To: E= rben, Mauricio Federico =20

Sent: Monday, May 02, 2011 6:28 P= M

Subject: CCL: To begin with compu= tational=20 chemistry

Jim, I know. I feel guilty every time a take an egg > f= rom a=20 chicken or go to a cut-price movie theatre. lol The unfortunate reality i= s=20 that in the third world piracy of software and text books is commonplace = and=20 there is little that we can do to stop it. In order to stop it and bring = those=20 countries into line, there have to be electronic options put in place for= =20 teaching purposes. Once qualified, many of those people will probably buy= a=20 hard copy to put on their bookshelf if they continue in science. Personal= ly, I=20 smile when I see someone copy a paragraph or two from one of my papers in= to=20 their own "original" work. In reality, since knowledge is power= , and I=20 occasionally have to pay an advertizing fee to publish, I wonder if I sho= uld=20 not be getting a royalty payment everytime someone downloads or photocopi= es my=20 papers. Hmm! I wonder if I could afford a Lamborghini just like my brothe= rs=20 after all? Dave

On Mon, May 2, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Jim Kress=20 ccl_nospam++kresswork= s.com <owner-chemistry:ccl.net>=20 wrote:

There=20 is no justification for theft.

Jim Kress

= >=20 From: owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net
[mailto:owner-chemistry+ccl_nospam=3D=3Dkressworks.com]_[ccl.net] On Behalf Of
David A=20 Mannock dmannock(-)ual= berta.ca
Sent: Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13=20 PM
To: Kress, Jim
Subject: CCL: To begin with computational=20 chemistry

Chris, as a newbie to computational chemistry,= I=20 try to use every resource
that I can get hold of. I have to admit th= at I=20 sometimes pirate electronic
copies to help me search texts which are= =20 often long and complicated. A
recent point relevant to this issue is= =20 Jacob Israelachvili's "Intermolecular
and surface forces&qu= ot;, 2nd Edn. As=20 our lab copy disappeared into a black hole
known as my colleagues=20 basement, I found a pirated online copy of this
essential text. I la= ter=20 bought a second-hand hard copy, while awaiting the
appearance of the= 3rd=20 Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but came out
in 2011. I ha= ve=20 read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and have returned
to it in = order=20 to refresh my memory many times. After talking to Jacob
Israelachvil= i, he=20 explained the delays in getting the 3rd edition to press
and told me= when=20 it would be available. Within a week of it coming off the
presses, I= had=20 bought a copy from Amazon out of my own pocket. The new
edition is= =20 several hundred pages longer than the previous copy and an
electroni= c=20 version would be useful to me. It is a beautifully written
masterpie= ce in=20 my opinion. However, many publishers are slow in their move
into the= =20 electronic realm. This is where the future lies.

My job ends her= e on=20 June 30th, 2011, but I still have responsibilities for
writing up pa= pers=20 for a student. I will not have access to online library
facilities h= ere=20 because of local University policy. Despite this, I would
still be= =20 willing to buy a new edition of your book to help with my
calculatio= ns on=20 my Linux box. I would do this out of my own pocket if need
be.
As=20 I see it, one of the main purposes of text books is to put all of=20 the
knowledge in a certain area in one place for ease of reference. = I=20 think that
this is very valuable for those of us who do research and= =20 those who teach.
Putting together a new edition of your book would b= e=20 recognized as a
valuable contribution by people in this scientific a= rea,=20 but rather than be
pessimistic about piracy, ask your publishers to = make=20 an electronic copy
available for sale at 50% of the price of the=20 softcover. A university could
either buy a yearly site license for= =20 distribution to students at a lower
price, or the institution could = host=20 a copy which could be read online, but
not downloaded. There will al= ways=20 be people who want to get something for
nothing and who are willing = to=20 remove the encryption on electronic media,
the simplest solution is = to=20 make the text available at a lower cost for
academic use and make so= me=20 money rather than none. You should be talking to
your publisher abou= t=20 this policy, as it will help their bottom line and your
standard of= =20 living in your retirement!! So cheer up and realize that old
dogs, l= ike=20 myself, would rather sit on a sun lounger on my back porch
reading y= our=20 new edition, than sitting at a computer screen in the lab or in
my s= tudy!=20 David Mannock

On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Christopher Cram= er=20 cramer+/-umn.edu
&l= t;owner-chemistry++ccl.net= > wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Christopher=20 Cramer [cramer-$-umn.edu]
My...

The least you can do if you're=20 going to steal the book, and post it online
for piracy, is choose a = later=20 printing -- then people won't have to refer to
so many errata.
Now=20 I recall why I've been reluctant to devote the time to a 3rd=20 edition...

CJC

On Apr 30, 2011, at 12:30 PM, Deepangi Pan= dit=20 deepangi.pandita/gmail.c= om
wrote:

>
> Sent to CCL by:=20 Deepangi Pandit [deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com]
> Hi Bhargav:
>=20 You can refer "Essentials of Computational Chemistry: Theories and=
>=20 Models" by Christopher J. Cramer
>
>
http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbooks/Ess= entials%20of%20Computational%20
Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20Christopher%20J.%20Cram= e
r.pdf
>
>=20 ShortURL
>
> http://alturl.com/jks5j
>
> Also please feel=20 free to browse
>
> http://static.m= si.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/IntroCompChem.pdf
>
>= =20 I believe these are good starting points and based on your interests>=20 you can explore the topic/s further.
>
> Regards,
>= =20 Deepa
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM,= =20 Bhargav Trivedi
> bhargavatrivedi*|*gmail.com <owner-chemistry~!~ccl.net> wrote:
>>
>> Sent= to CCL by:=20 "Bhargav =A0Trivedi" [bhargavatrivedi[-]gmail.com]
>> Dear all,
>> = I would like=20 to learn computational chemistry. Please tell me how can I
prepare f= or=20 it.
>> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical chemistry & an=20 academician since last 16
years. I teach thermodynamics and=20 electrochemistry to under graduates.
>> Thanks a lot:
>&= gt;=20 Dr. Bhargav Trivedi,
>> Associate Professor of=20 Chemistry,
>> J & J College of science,
>> Nadiad= ,=20 Gujarat.
>> India>
>

--

Christopher J.= =20 Cramer
Elmore H. Northey Professor
University of=20 Minnesota
Department of Chemistry
207 Pleasant St. SE
Minneapo= lis,=20 MN 55455-0431
--------------------------
Phone: =A0(612) 624-0= 859=20 <tel:%28612%29%20624-0859> =A0|| FAX: =A0(612)=20 626-7541
<tel:%28612%29%20626-7541>
Mobile: (952) 29= 7-2575=20 <tel:%28952%29%20297-2575>
email: =A0cramer,+,umn.edu
jabber: =A0cramer,+,jabber.umn.edu
http://pollux.chem.u= mn.edu/~cramer <http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/%7Ecramer>
(website=20 includes information about the textbook "Essentials
=A0 of=20 Computational Chemistry: =A0Theories and Models, 2nd=20 Edition")<br

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Behalf Of=20 David A Mannock dmannock(-)ualberta.ca Sent:=20 =3D
Saturday, April 30, 2011 5:13 PM To:= Kress,=20 Jim =3D
 Subject: CCL: To begin with=20 computational=20 =3D
chemistry<o:p></o:p></div&= gt;</div><p=20 =3D
class=3D3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p&g= t;<p=20 class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D
style=3D3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>= Chris, as a newbie=20 to computational =3D
chemistry, I try to use every resource that I c= an get=20 hold of. I have to =3D
admit that I sometimes pirate electronic copi= es to=20 help me search texts =3D
which are often long and complicated. A rec= ent=20 point relevant to this =3D
issue is Jacob Israelachvili's=20 "Intermolecular and surface =3D
forces", 2nd Edn. = As our=20 lab copy disappeared into a black hole =3D
known as my colleagues ba= sement,=20 I found a pirated online copy of this =3D
essential text. I later bo= ught a=20 second-hand hard copy, while awaiting =3D
the appearance of the 3rd= =20 Edition, which was due to appear in 2010, but =3D
came out in 2011. = I have=20 read the 1991 2nd edition cover to cover and =3D
have returned to it= in=20 order to refresh my memory many times. After =3D
talking to Jacob=20 Israelachvili, he explained the delays in getting the =3D
3rd editio= n to=20 press and told me when it would be available. Within a =3D
week of i= t=20 coming off the presses, I had bought a copy from Amazon out =3D
of m= y own=20 pocket. The new edition is several hundred pages longer than =3D
the= =20 previous copy and an electronic version would be useful to me. It is = =3D
a=20 beautifully written masterpiece in my opinion. However, many =3D
pub= lishers=20 are slow in their move into the electronic realm. This is =3D
where = the=20 future lies. My job ends here on June 30th, 2011, bu= t I=20 =3D
still have responsibilities for writing up papers for a student.= I will=20 =3D
not have access to online library facilities here because of loc= al=20 =3D
University policy. Despite this, I would still be willing to buy= a new=20 =3D
edition of your book to help with my calculations on my Linux bo= x. I=20 =3D
would do this out of my own pocket if need be. <br&= gt;As I=20 see it, one =3D
of the main purposes of text books is to put all of = the=20 knowledge in a =3D
certain area in one place for ease of reference. = I think=20 that this is =3D
very valuable for those of us who do research and t= hose=20 who teach. =3D
Putting together a new edition of your book would be= =20 recognized as a =3D
valuable contribution by people in this scientif= ic=20 area, but rather than =3D
be pessimistic about piracy, ask your publ= ishers=20 to make an electronic =3D
copy available for sale at 50% of the pric= e of=20 the softcover. A =3D
university could either buy a yearly site licen= se for=20 distribution to =3D
students at a lower price, or the institution co= uld=20 host a copy which =3D
could be read online, but not downloaded. Ther= e will=20 always be people =3D
who want to get something for nothing and who a= re=20 willing to remove the =3D
encryption on electronic media, the simple= st=20 solution is to make the =3D
text available at a lower cost for acade= mic use=20 and make some money =3D
rather than none. You should be talking to y= our=20 publisher about this =3D
policy, as it will help their bottom line a= nd your=20 standard of living in =3D
your retirement!! So cheer up and realize = that=20 old dogs, like myself, =3D
would rather sit on a sun lounger on my b= ack=20 porch reading your new =3D
edition, than sitting at a computer scree= n in=20 the lab or in my study! =3D
David Mannock =20 <o:p></o:p><div>umn.ed= u</a> <<a =3D
href=3D3D"mailto:owner-chemistry++ccl.net<= /a>">owner-chemistry++= ccl.net</a>>=3D
=A0wrote:<o:p></o:p><p=20 class=3D3DMsoNormal =3D
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[cramer-$-<a href=3D3D"http://umn.edu"=20 =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">umn.edu</a>] My... The= =20 least you can do if =3D
you're going to steal the book, and post= it online=20 for piracy, is choose =3D
a later printing -- then people won't = have to=20 refer to so many =3D
errata. Now I recall why I&#= 39;ve been=20 reluctant to devote the time =3D
to a 3rd=20 edition... CJC On Apr 30, 2011, a= t=20 12:30 PM, =3D
Deepangi Pandit deepangi.pandita/<a href=3D3D"= http://gmail.com"= =20 =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">gmail.com</a>=20 wrote: > > Sent to CCL =3Dby:=20 Deepangi Pandit [<a href=3D3D"http://deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com"= ;=20 =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">deepangi.pandit_-_gmail.com</a>= ] >=20 Hi =3D
Bhargav: > You can refer "Essentials= of=20 Computational =3D
Chemistry: Theories and >=20 Models" by Christopher J.=20 =3D
Cramer > > <a =3D
href=3D3= D"http://kimia.unnes.ac.id/kasmui/textbook= s/Essentials%20of%20Compu=3D
tational%20Chemistry%20Theories%20and%20Models%202d%20Ed%20-%20Christophe= =3D
r%20J.%20Cramer.pdf"=20 =3D
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Christopher%20J.%20Cramer.pdf</a> ><br&= gt;>=20 =3D
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target=3D3D"_blank">http://alturl.com/jks5j</a> &= gt; >=20 Also =3D
please feel free to browse > &= gt;=20 <a =3D
href=3D3D"http://stati= c.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/IntroCompChem=3D
.pdf"= =20 =3D
target=3D3D"_blank">= http://static.msi.umn.edu/tutorial/chemistryphysics/Int=3D
roCompChem.pd= f</a> > >=20 I believe these are good starting =3D
points and based on your=20 interests > you can explore the topic/s=20 =3D
further. > > Regards, &= amp;gt;=20 =3D
Deepa > > ><b= r>>=20 On Sat, Apr 30, 2011 at 6:20 AM, =3D
Bhargav Trivedi &g= t;=20 bhargavatrivedi*|*<a href=3D3D"http://gmail.com" =3D
target=3D3D"_blank&qu= ot;>gmail.com</a&g= t;=20 <owner-chemistry~!~<a =3D
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 Trivedi"=20 [bhargavatrivedi[-]<a href=3D3D"http://gmail.com" =3D
target=3D3D"_blank&q= uot;>gmail.com</a&= gt;] >> Dear=20 all, >> I =3D
would like to learn computation= al=20 chemistry. Please tell me how can I =3D
prepare for=20 it. >> I am an M Sc PhD with Physical chemistry= =20 =3D
& an academician since last 16 years. I teach thermodyna= mics=20 and =3D
electrochemistry to under graduates. >&g= t;=20 Thanks a =3D
lot: >> Dr. Bhargav=20 Trivedi, >> Associate Professor of=20 =3D
Chemistry, >> J & J College of=20 science, >> Nadiad,=20 =3D
Gujarat. >>=20 India> > -- <br&g= t;Christopher=20 J. =3D
Cramer Elmore H. Northey Professor Universi= ty of=20 =3D
Minnesota Department of Chemistry 207 Pleasant= St.=20 =3D
SE Minneapolis, MN=20 55455-0431 -------------------------- Phone:=20 =3D
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