From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Feb 18 11:59:00 2018 From: "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch apisan .. unam.mx" To: CCL Subject: CCL: "We the people of the CCL" as research subjects in IEEE Paper Message-Id: <-53186-180218022905-31278-WaqZ4/GUQVIpstm9B14cjA__server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" Content-Language: es-MX Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:28:44 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch" [apisan]*[unam.mx] Hi, an apology for the link through my institution's library (noticed too late.) The IEEE's link to the paper on CCL and the question of openness in Computational Chemistry software is https://www.computer.org/csdl/mags/an/2017/04/man2017040040-abs.html I will gladly make a copy available to those interested, within the policy of the publisher. Yours, Alejandro Pisanty - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Facultad de Química UNAM Av. Universidad 3000, 04510 Mexico DF Mexico +52-1-5541444475 FROM ABROAD +525541444475 DESDE MÉXICO SMS +525541444475 Blog: http://pisanty.blogspot.com LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/pisanty Unete al grupo UNAM en LinkedIn, http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/22285/4A106C0C8614 Twitter: http://twitter.com/apisanty ---->> Unete a ISOC Mexico, http://www.isoc.org . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . ________________________________________ Desde: owner-chemistry+apisan==servidor.unam.mx ~ ccl.net [owner-chemistry+apisan==servidor.unam.mx ~ ccl.net] en nombre de Alejandro Pisanty apisan*servidor.unam.mx [owner-chemistry ~ ccl.net] Enviado el: sábado, 17 de febrero de 2018 20:01 Hasta: Dr. Alejandro Pisanty Baruch Asunto: CCL: "We the people of the CCL" as research subjects in IEEE Paper Sent to CCL by: "Alejandro Pisanty" [apisan+/-servidor.unam.mx] Hi, in http://ieeexplore.ieee.org.pbidi.unam.mx:8080/document/8268025/ Alexandre Hocquet and Frederic Wieber have published a very interesting and thought-provoking paper about the CCL, Computational Chemistry List, titled "Only the Initiates Will Have the Secrets Revealed: Computational Chemists and the Openness of Scientific Software". May I recommend its reading to alll members. As a member of the first batch of 100 members of the list started in 1991 by Jan Labanowski (and co-author with him of the first paper on the List, quoted by Hocquet and Wieber), I find it heartening to observe that even our "flame wars" have been mild and constructive - and now part of the scientific record. I have often quoted the CCL as an exemplary, self-regulated, civil space for learning, for the exchange between experts and novices and for the exchanges on ideas from widely differing perspectives. I believe that Hocquet and Wieber's paper largely vindicates that view. We are now 27 years in existence. A testimony to the community and, above all, to Jan Labanowski's generosity, vision, and iron will. Yours, Alejandro Pisanty The full reference is A. Hocquet and F. Wieber, "Only the Initiates Will Have the Secrets Revealed: Computational Chemists and the Openness of Scientific Software", IEEE Annals of the History of Computing, v. 35 noo. 4 oct-dec 2017 pp. 40-58 https://doi.org/10.1109/MAHC.2018.1221048http://www.ccl.net/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_messagehttp://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlhttp://www.ccl.net/spammers.txt From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Feb 18 20:45:00 2018 From: "Alexandre Hocquet alexandre.hocquet-x-univ-lorraine.fr" To: CCL Subject: CCL: "We the people of the CCL" as research subjects in IEEE Paper Message-Id: <-53187-180218203426-18553-onAxmDwc3IKV9idYYARXAw{=}server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Alexandre Hocquet Content-Language: en-CA Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 02:34:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Alexandre Hocquet [alexandre.hocquet[]univ-lorraine.fr] On 18/02/2018 03:01, Alejandro Pisanty apisan*servidor.unam.mx wrote: > in http://ieeexplore.ieee.org.pbidi.unam.mx:8080/document/8268025/ > Alexandre Hocquet and Frederic Wieber have published a very interesting > and thought-provoking paper about the CCL, Computational Chemistry List, > titled "Only the Initiates Will Have the Secrets Revealed: > Computational Chemists and the Openness of Scientific Software". Estimado Alejandro, Thank you very much for your kind post. Though I first subscribed to the CCL a few years later than you, some people may remember that I once was a computational chemist before I metamorphosed into a historian of science. Our work, Frédéric Wieber and I, is threefold. The first paper you mention has just been released and depicts the relationships of computational chemists with software from a social history viewpoint. In a second paper, the epistemological issues at stake are discussed in a chemistry oriented journal, and in a third, we methodologically highlight the characteristics of the CCL mailing list (and flame wars!) as a corpus for historians. Both the second and third are still under review. You are right that the CCL is pivotal to our work and we also argue that the CCL is pivotal to computational chemistry. As a matter of fact, this paper was supposed to be dedicated to Jan Labanowski, but for some reason, it did not appear on the final manuscript. To all members of the list, if you email me or DM me on twitter, I can provide a #Icanhazpdf author version if your library does not provide the IEEE Annals of the history of computing. I'd be happy to discuss the topics adressed in the paper in this list, this would be a beautiful "mise en abyme". Likewise, if CCLers have complaints about inacurracies or misinterpretations, feel free to discuss it here too. Best regards, -- *********************************************** Alexandre Hocquet Université de Lorraine & Archives Henri Poincaré Alexandre.Hocquet*univ-lorraine.fr http://poincare.univ-lorraine.fr/fr/membre-titulaire/alexandre-hocquet *osvaldopiazzoll ***********************************************