From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 18 10:16:01 2022 From: "Brian Skinn brian.skinn++gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54698-220518101435-5775-Bl9ALGYG3m+t8Zz/bUm/ng|server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Brian Skinn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f3d34905df49dfde" Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 10:14:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Brian Skinn [brian.skinn-,-gmail.com] --000000000000f3d34905df49dfde Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks, Steven! I had another idea while reading the HN thread: what about trying to hop CCL over into an existing university-based email list/forum system? For example, I subscribed to Syracuse University's PLASMACHEM list ( https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=plasmachem-l -- registration required to view, unfortunately) for a while, when we had an ICP-OES onsite at work. It was possible to configure a subscription to that list to send each post to me as a separate email. It might avoid some of the problems of global access posed by, e.g., Google Groups? -Brian On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:05 AM Steven Kirk stevenrkirk^gmail.com < owner-chemistry]~[ccl.net> wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrkirk{:}gmail.com] > On 5/18/2022 4:03 AM, Brian Skinn brian.skinn%gmail.com wrote: > > This is a good point. Do you have suggestions for globally-available > > mailing list services, Steven/Sikander/anyone? > > > > I have consulted the HackerNews (https://news.ycombinator.com) hivemind > here: > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31418908 > > Steven Kirk > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:00 AM Sikander Azam syedazam2008]![gmail.com > > > ccl.net>> wrote: > > > > Steven seem right. I agree with him. > > > > Sikander > > > > On Tue, May 17, 2022, 11:08 AM Steven Kirk stevenrkirk#gmail.com > > > > wrote: > > > > > > Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrkirk{:}gmail.com > > ] > > On 5/11/2022 3:57 AM, Bennion, Brian bennion1,llnl.gov > > wrote: > > > What are the pros and cons to a google group or other web > > based platform? > > > the gamess forum works fairly well as a google group. > > However, that is > > > my only experience so far with a google group. > > > > In all of this discussion re: replacing the CCL.net mailing list > > with a > > Google Groups forum or LinkedIn, I'd ask that the following be > > taken > > into account: not everyone, depending on location, has easy > > access to > > either Google *or* LinkedIn. > > > > Steven Kirk > > > > > > > > -= This is automatically added to each message by the mailing > > script =-__ > > E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY__ccl.net > > or use:> > > > > E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST__ccl.net > > or use> > > __> > > > Conferences: > > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ > > > > > > Search Messages: > > http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/searchccl/index.shtml > > > > __ < > http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/aboutccl/instructions/> > > > > > > > -- > Prof. Steven R. Kirk (steven.kirk[]cantab.net, suwen[]hunnu.edu.cn) > 100 Talents of Hunan Award Recipient > College of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering, Hunan Normal University > 36 Lushan Road, Changsha 410081, Hunan Province, P.R. China > Website: http://www.beaconresearch.org > orcid.org/0000-0002-0462-6962> > > --000000000000f3d34905df49dfde Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks, Steven!

I had anothe= r idea while reading the HN thread: what about trying to hop CCL over into = an existing university-based email list/forum system? For example, I subscr= ibed to Syracuse University's PLASMACHEM list (https://listserv.syr.edu/scri= pts/wa.exe?A0=3Dplasmachem-l -- registration required to view, unfortun= ately) for a while, when we had an ICP-OES onsite at work. It was possible = to configure a subscription to that list to send each post to me as a separ= ate email.

It might avoid some of the problems= of global access posed by, e.g., Google Groups?

-= Brian


On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:05 AM Steven Kirk steve= nrkirk^gmail.com <owner-chemistry]~[ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrkirk{:}gmail.com]
On 5/18/2022 4:03 AM, Brian Skinn brian.skinn%gmail.com wrote:
> This is a good point. Do you have suggestions for globally-available <= br> > mailing list services, Steven/Sikander/anyone?
>

I have consulted the HackerNews (https://news.ycombinator.com) hivem= ind
here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D31418908
Steven Kirk


> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:00 AM Sikander Azam syedazam2008]![gmail.com > <= http://gmail.com> <owner-chemistry a ccl.net <mailto:owner-chemistry a
> ccl.ne= t>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Steven seem right. I agree with him.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sikander
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Tue, May 17, 2022, 11:08 AM Steven Kirk stevenrk= irk#gmail= .com
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:owner-chemistry__ccl.net>> wrote:
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>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 5/11/2022 3:57 AM, Bennion, Brian = bennion1,l= lnl.gov
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://llnl.gov> wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > What are the pros and cons to a= google group or other web
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0based platform?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the gamess forum works fairly w= ell as a google group.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0However, that is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > my only experience so far with = a google group.
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>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Steven Kirk
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--000000000000f3d34905df49dfde-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 18 11:11:01 2022 From: "Susi Lehtola susi.lehtola(~)helsinki.fi" To: CCL Subject: CCL: CCL archives onto git? Message-Id: <-54699-220518110551-23791-SAsFFDOgJIc8n708ZniT8Q,+,server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Susi Lehtola Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 11:05:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Susi Lehtola [susi.lehtola * helsinki.fi] Hi, per the recent discussion, the longevity of the CCL is under threat. This is very unfortunate, since the CCL is a real treasure trove of information. I wonder if the CCL archives could be stored on a git repository, for instance, as this would facilitate the long term storage of the information. A local copy of the messages would also make it much easier to search for any pertinent discussions. Susi -- -------------------------------------------------------- Mr. Susi Lehtola, PhD Adjunct Professor susi.lehtola++helsinki.fi University of Helsinki http://susilehtola.github.io/ Finland -------------------------------------------------------- Susi Lehtola, FT dosentti susi.lehtola++helsinki.fi Helsingin yliopisto http://susilehtola.github.io/ -------------------------------------------------------- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 18 12:55:00 2022 From: "=?UTF-8?B?0KTQuNC70LjQv9C/0L7Qsiwg0JjQs9C+0YDRjCDQktC70LDQtNC40LzQuNGA0L7QstC40Yc=?= filippov.iv[a]phystech.edu" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54700-220518125310-17041-MFJMLIE0JeZ4Gww3QtcZSg_._server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: =?UTF-8?B?0KTQuNC70LjQv9C/0L7Qsiwg0JjQs9C+0YDRjCDQktC70LDQtNC40LzQuNGA0L7QstC40Yc=?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000002d532205df4c17cf" Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 12:52:52 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: =?UTF-8?B?0KTQuNC70LjQv9C/0L7Qsiwg0JjQs9C+0YDRjCDQktC70LDQtNC40LzQuNGA0L7QstC40Yc=?= [filippov.iv|,|phystech.edu] --0000000000002d532205df4c17cf Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Rdkit operates a quite successful mailing list using sourceforge. It seems to work similar to what ccl has right now, could this be a potential solution? Igor On Wed, May 18, 2022, 11:36 AM Brian Skinn brian.skinn++gmail.com < owner-chemistry~!~ccl.net> wrote: > Thanks, Steven! > > I had another idea while reading the HN thread: what about trying to hop > CCL over into an existing university-based email list/forum system? For > example, I subscribed to Syracuse University's PLASMACHEM list ( > https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=plasmachem-l -- registration > required to view, unfortunately) for a while, when we had an ICP-OES onsite > at work. It was possible to configure a subscription to that list to send > each post to me as a separate email. > > It might avoid some of the problems of global access posed by, e.g., > Google Groups? > > -Brian > > > On Wed, May 18, 2022 at 1:05 AM Steven Kirk stevenrkirk^gmail.com < > owner-chemistry^^ccl.net> wrote: > >> >> Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrkirk{:}gmail.com] >> On 5/18/2022 4:03 AM, Brian Skinn brian.skinn%gmail.com wrote: >> > This is a good point. Do you have suggestions for globally-available >> > mailing list services, Steven/Sikander/anyone? >> > >> >> I have consulted the HackerNews (https://news.ycombinator.com) hivemind >> here: >> >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31418908 >> >> Steven Kirk >> >> >> > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:00 AM Sikander Azam syedazam2008]![gmail.com >> > > a >> > ccl.net>> wrote: >> > >> > Steven seem right. I agree with him. >> > >> > Sikander >> > >> > On Tue, May 17, 2022, 11:08 AM Steven Kirk stevenrkirk#gmail.com >> > > > > wrote: >> > >> > >> > Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrkirk{:}gmail.com >> > ] >> > On 5/11/2022 3:57 AM, Bennion, Brian bennion1,llnl.gov >> > wrote: >> > > What are the pros and cons to a google group or other web >> > based platform? >> > > the gamess forum works fairly well as a google group. >> > However, that is >> > > my only experience so far with a google group. >> > >> > In all of this discussion re: replacing the CCL.net mailing list >> > with a >> > Google Groups forum or LinkedIn, I'd ask that the following be >> > taken >> > into account: not everyone, depending on location, has easy >> > access to >> > either Google *or* LinkedIn. >> > >> > Steven Kirk >> > >> > >> > >> > -= This is automatically added to each message by the mailing >> > script =-__ >> > E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY__ccl.net >> > or use:> >> > >> > E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST__ccl.net >> > or use> >> > __> >> >> > Conferences: >> > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/ >> > >> > >> > Search Messages: >> > http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/searchccl/index.shtml >> > >> > __ < >> http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/aboutccl/instructions/> >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Prof. Steven R. Kirk (steven.kirk[]cantab.net, suwen[]hunnu.edu.cn) >> 100 Talents of Hunan Award Recipient >> College of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering, Hunan Normal University >> 36 Lushan Road, Changsha 410081, Hunan Province, P.R. China >> Website: http://www.beaconresearch.org >> orcid.org/0000-0002-0462-6962>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY^^ccl.net or use:>> >> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST^^ccl.net or use>> >> >> --0000000000002d532205df4c17cf Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Rdkit operates a quite successful mailing list using sour= ceforge. It seems to work similar to what ccl has right now, could this be = a potential solution?

Igor

On Wed, May 18, 2022, 11:36 AM Brian Skinn brian.skinn++gmail.com <ow= ner-chemistry~!~ccl.net> wrote:
Thanks, Steven!

I had anot= her idea while reading the HN thread: what about trying to hop CCL over int= o an existing university-based email list/forum system? For example, I subs= cribed to Syracuse University's PLASMACHEM list (https://listserv.syr.edu/scripts/wa.exe?A0=3Dplasmachem-l -- = registration required to view, unfortunately) for a while, when we had an I= CP-OES onsite at work. It was possible to configure a subscription to that = list to send each post to me as a separate email.

<= div>It might avoid some of the problems of global access posed by, e.g., Go= ogle Groups?

-Brian


=
On Wed, Ma= y 18, 2022 at 1:05 AM Steven Kirk stevenrkirk^gmail.com <owner-chem= istry^^ccl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrkirk{:}gmail.com]
On 5/18/2022 4:03 AM, Brian Skinn brian.skinn%gmail.com wrote:
> This is a good point. Do you have suggestions for globally-available <= br> > mailing list services, Steven/Sikander/anyone?
>

I have consulted the HackerNews (https://news.ycombinator.com= ) hivemind
here:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3D314= 18908

Steven Kirk


> On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:00 AM Sikander Azam syedazam2008]![gmail= .com
> <http://gmail.com> <owner-chemistry a ccl.net <= mailto:owner-chemistry a
> ccl.net>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Steven seem right. I agree with him.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sikander
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Tue, May 17, 2022, 11:08 AM Steven Kirk stevenrk= irk#gmail.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://gmail.com> <owner-chemistry__ccl.net
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:owner-chemistry__ccl.net>&g= t; wrote:
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrk= irk{:}gmail.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://gmail.com>]
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 5/11/2022 3:57 AM, Bennion, Brian = bennion1,llnl.gov
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<http://llnl.gov> wrote:=
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > What are the pros and cons to a= google group or other web
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0based platform?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > the gamess forum works fairly w= ell as a google group.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0However, that is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 > my only experience so far with = a google group.
>
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>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Steven Kirk
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--
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100 Talents of Hunan Award Recipient
College of Chemistry and Chemical Engineering, Hunan Normal University
36 Lushan Road, Changsha 410081, Hunan Province, P.R. China
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--0000000000002d532205df4c17cf-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 18 13:29:00 2022 From: "Henrique C. S. Junior henriquecsj:_:gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54701-220518125136-16465-m0iGVTYfSTb7Uzo2UvYANw^^server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Henrique C. S. Junior" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000917d9805df4c114d" Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 13:50:19 -0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: "Henrique C. S. Junior" [henriquecsj..gmail.com] --000000000000917d9805df4c114d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I believe that, maybe, Jan could transfer the domain to any good/popular hosting provider and easily install something like GNU/Mailman[1] to manage the group. If I am not mistaken, Dreamhost even provides an easy-to-install Mailman feature. The functionality should be almost the same as the classic CCL List but freeing Jan from the self-hosting problems. [1] - https://list.org/ On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 6:07 PM Brian Skinn brian.skinn%gmail.com < owner-chemistry**ccl.net> wrote: > This is a good point. Do you have suggestions for globally-available > mailing list services, Steven/Sikander/anyone? > > On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:00 AM Sikander Azam syedazam2008]![gmail.com a ccl.net> wrote: > >> Steven seem right. I agree with him. >> >> Sikander >> >> On Tue, May 17, 2022, 11:08 AM Steven Kirk stevenrkirk#gmail.com < >> owner-chemistry__ccl.net> wrote: >> >>> >>> Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrkirk{:}gmail.com] >>> On 5/11/2022 3:57 AM, Bennion, Brian bennion1,llnl.gov wrote: >>> > What are the pros and cons to a google group or other web based >>> platform? >>> > the gamess forum works fairly well as a google group. However, that >>> is >>> > my only experience so far with a google group. >>> >>> In all of this discussion re: replacing the CCL.net mailing list with a >>> Google Groups forum or LinkedIn, I'd ask that the following be taken >>> into account: not everyone, depending on location, has easy access to >>> either Google *or* LinkedIn. >>> >>> Steven Kirk>>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY__ccl.net or use:>>> >>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST__ccl.net or use>>> >>> >>> -- *Henrique C. S. Junior* --000000000000917d9805df4c114d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I believe that, maybe, Jan could transfer the domain to any good/popular hosting prov= ider and easily install something like GNU/Mailman[1] to manage the group. If I = am not mistaken, Dreamhost even provides an easy-to-install Mailman feature. T= he functionality should be almost the same as the classic CCL List but freeing= Jan > from the self-hosting problems.

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On Tue, May 17= , 2022 at 6:07 PM Brian Skinn brian.skinn%gmai= l.com <owner-chemistry**cc= l.net> wrote:
This is a good point. Do you have suggestions for glo= bally-available mailing list services, Steven/Sikander/anyone?
On Tue, M= ay 17, 2022 at 7:00 AM Sikander Azam syedazam2008]![gmail.com <owner-chemistry a ccl.net> wrote:
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St= even seem right. I agree with him.

Sikander=C2=A0

On Tue, May 17, 2022, 11:08 AM Steven Kirk stevenr= kirk#gmail.com <owner-chemistry__c= cl.net> wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Steven Kirk [stevenrkirk{:}gmail.com]
On 5/11/2022 3:57 AM, Bennion, Brian bennion1,llnl.gov wrote:
> What are the pros and cons to a google group or other web based platfo= rm?
> the gamess forum works fairly well as a google group.=C2=A0 However, t= hat is
> my only experience so far with a google group.

In all of this discussion re: replacing the CCL.net mailing list with a Google Groups forum or LinkedIn, I'd ask that the following be taken into account: not everyone, depending on location, has easy access to
either Google *or* LinkedIn.

Steven Kirk



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--000000000000917d9805df4c114d-- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Wed May 18 15:52:01 2022 From: "Geoffrey Hutchison geoff.hutchison : gmail.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: Some bad news ahead for CCL Message-Id: <-54702-220518150124-29061-O8HlfZbJwYFEV5dadEcisA ~~ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Geoffrey Hutchison Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 18 May 2022 15:01:16 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 15.0 \(3693.60.0.1.1\)) Sent to CCL by: Geoffrey Hutchison [geoff.hutchison[A]gmail.com] > Rdkit operates a quite successful mailing list using sourceforge. It seems to work similar to what ccl has right now, could this be a potential solution? Speaking from experience, SourceForge mailing lists are fine, but a bit of a pain to moderate. They have their own spam filter, but it means that someone needs to periodically push through legit e-mail from non-subscribed people. Cheers, -Geoff