From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 29 05:01:00 2021 From: "Lu s Sobral lsobral_-_hovione.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: DFT Solvent Calculations With Small Molecules Message-Id: <-54264-210129045930-20782-wVyHGiFQEfUrpTWJ8TpocA-.-server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: "Lu s Sobral" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 04:59:27 -0500 Sent to CCL by: "Lu s Sobral" [lsobral{}hovione.com] > Dear Mr. Mihailovs, I would like to thank you for replying to my message. I have done PCM solvent calculations with other molecules, including transition states, and the geometry did not change. I the mean time, I tried to add the instruction "Close all;" prior to the program of the molecule which changed the geometry, and it worked well (geometry did not change). Thank you and best wishes, Lus Sobral "Igors Mihailovs igorsm_+_cfi.lu.lv" wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: Igors Mihailovs [igorsm,cfi.lu.lv] > ------UIALQZQ40TMZR3CHI3TNLMN12OO74X > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Dear Mr=2E Sobral, > > I think what You described is pretty much normal? Surely if the molecule i= > s not completely rigid (such as pyrene or so) there will be differences bet= > ween the gas phase and the solvent phase=2E > > As what regards finding the transition state, maybe this would be helpful: > > https://joaquinbarroso=2Ecom/2016/05/26/the-art-of-finding-transition-stat= > es-part-1/ > > Best wishes, > Igors Mihailovs > > > On 23 January 2021 21:25:08 EET, "Lu s Sobral lsobral!=3D!hovione=2Ecom" <= > owner-chemistry/./ccl=2Enet> wrote: > > > >Sent to CCL by: "Lu s Sobral" [lsobral=2E/./=2Ehovione=2Ecom] > >I am doing PCM solvent calculations in methanol of a molecule whose > >geometry=20 > >was previously optimized in the gas phase=2E The calculations are being > >performed=20 > >at the B3LYP/6-31G(d) level of theory=2E This specific molecule is a > >transition=20 > >state and the geometry changed during PCM (IEFPCM) calculations=2E The > >output=20 > >structure presents a geometry different from the input structure and it > >is not=20 > >a transition state=2E The software I am using is Gaussian 16=2E > > > >Thank you, > >Lus Sobral > > > > > > > >-=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script = > =3D- > >To recover the email address of the author of the message, please > >change > >the strange characters on the top line to the /./ sign=2E You can also > >look up the X-Original-From: line in the mail header=2E > > > >E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY/./ccl=2Enet or use: > > http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message > > > >E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST/./ccl=2Enet or use > > http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message > > > >Subscribe/Unsubscribe:=20 > > http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/chemistry/sub_unsub=2Eshtml > > > >Before posting, check wait time at: http://www=2Eccl=2Enet > > > >Job: http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/jobs=20 > >Conferences: http://server=2Eccl=2Enet/chemistry/announcements/conference= > s/ > > > >Search Messages: http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/chemistry/searchccl/index=2Eshtml > > > >If your mail bounces from CCL with 5=2E7=2E1 error, check: > > http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/spammers=2Etxt > > > >RTFI: http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/chemistry/aboutccl/instructions/ > > --=20 > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E > ------UIALQZQ40TMZR3CHI3TNLMN12OO74X > Content-Type: text/html; > charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Dear Mr=2E Sobral,

I think what You describ= > ed is pretty much normal? Surely if the molecule is not completely rigid (s= > uch as pyrene or so) there will be differences between the gas phase and th= > e solvent phase=2E

As what regards finding the transition state, may= > be this would be helpful:

16/05/26/the-art-of-finding-transition-states-part-1/">https://joaquinbarro= > so=2Ecom/2016/05/26/the-art-of-finding-transition-states-part-1/
>Best wishes,
Igors Mihailovs


On 2= > 3 January 2021 21:25:08 EET, "Lu s Sobral lsobral!=3D!hovione=2Ecom" <ow= > ner-chemistry/./ccl=2Enet> wrote:
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Sent to CCL by: "Lu s Sobral" [lsobral=2E/./=2Eh= > ovione=2Ecom]
I am doing PCM solvent calculations in methanol of a molec= > ule whose geometry
was previously optimized in the gas phase=2E The cal= > culations are being performed
at the B3LYP/6-31G(d) level of theory=2E = > This specific molecule is a transition
state and the geometry changed d= > uring PCM (IEFPCM) calculations=2E The output
structure presents a geom= > etry different from the input structure and it is not
a transition stat= > e=2E The software I am using is Gaussian 16=2E

Thank you,
Lus Sob= > ral



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Sent from my Android = > device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E > ------UIALQZQ40TMZR3CHI3TNLMN12OO74X-- > > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jan 29 14:03:00 2021 From: "Igors Mihailovs igorsm++cfi.lu.lv" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: DFT Solvent Calculations With Small Molecules Message-Id: <-54265-210129133339-27261-P7cz9bi6aJyZgsJGNef+sw]_[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Igors Mihailovs Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------F167A85D2570046DC86076FC" Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:33:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Igors Mihailovs [igorsm..cfi.lu.lv] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------F167A85D2570046DC86076FC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all, I am utterly confused by this. Can anyone comment? I found the Mr. Sobral's question on ResearhGate, too, but I have never heard of "clc" instruction in Gaussian, nor can I find it in the Reference. Mr. Sobral, What did change in the contents of the output file when You added said instruction (except for geometry)? Please forgive my stupidity if that is the reason of my confusion. *_________* Yours sincerely, Igors Mihailovs Research assistant Laboratory of Organic Materials Institute of Solid State Physics University of Latvia www.cfi.lu.lv On 1/29/21 11:59 AM, Lu s Sobral lsobral_-_hovione.com wrote: > Sent to CCL by: "Lu s Sobral" [lsobral{}hovione.com] > >> Dear Mr. Mihailovs, > I would like to thank you for replying to my message. > > I have done PCM solvent calculations with other molecules, including transition > states, and the geometry did not change. I the mean time, I tried to add the > instruction "Close all;" prior to the program of the molecule which changed the > geometry, and it worked well (geometry did not change). > > Thank you and best wishes, > Lus Sobral > > "Igors Mihailovs igorsm_+_cfi.lu.lv" wrote: >> Sent to CCL by: Igors Mihailovs [igorsm,cfi.lu.lv] >> ------UIALQZQ40TMZR3CHI3TNLMN12OO74X >> Content-Type: text/plain; >> charset=utf-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Dear Mr=2E Sobral, >> >> I think what You described is pretty much normal? Surely if the molecule i= >> s not completely rigid (such as pyrene or so) there will be differences bet= >> ween the gas phase and the solvent phase=2E >> >> As what regards finding the transition state, maybe this would be helpful: >> >> https://joaquinbarroso=2Ecom/2016/05/26/the-art-of-finding-transition-stat= >> es-part-1/ >> >> Best wishes, >> Igors Mihailovs >> >> >> On 23 January 2021 21:25:08 EET, "Lu s Sobral lsobral!=3D!hovione=2Ecom" <= >> owner-chemistry/./ccl=2Enet> wrote: >>> Sent to CCL by: "Lu s Sobral" [lsobral=2E/./=2Ehovione=2Ecom] >>> I am doing PCM solvent calculations in methanol of a molecule whose >>> geometry=20 >>> was previously optimized in the gas phase=2E The calculations are being >>> performed=20 >>> at the B3LYP/6-31G(d) level of theory=2E This specific molecule is a >>> transition=20 >>> state and the geometry changed during PCM (IEFPCM) calculations=2E The >>> output=20 >>> structure presents a geometry different from the input structure and it >>> is not=20 >>> a transition state=2E The software I am using is Gaussian 16=2E >>> >>> Thank you, >>> Lus Sobral >>> >>> >>> >>> -=3D This is automatically added to each message by the mailing script = >> =3D- >>> To recover the email address of the author of the message, please >>> change >>> the strange characters on the top line to the /./ sign=2E You can also >>> look up the X-Original-From: line in the mail header=2E >>> >>> E-mail to subscribers: CHEMISTRY/./ccl=2Enet or use: >>> http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message >>> >>> E-mail to administrators: CHEMISTRY-REQUEST/./ccl=2Enet or use >>> http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/cgi-bin/ccl/send_ccl_message >>> >>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe:=20 >>> http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/chemistry/sub_unsub=2Eshtml >>> >>> Before posting, check wait time at: http://www=2Eccl=2Enet >>> >>> Job: http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/jobs=20 >>> Conferences: http://server=2Eccl=2Enet/chemistry/announcements/conference= >> s/ >>> Search Messages: http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/chemistry/searchccl/index=2Eshtml >>> >>> If your mail bounces from CCL with 5=2E7=2E1 error, check: >>> http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/spammers=2Etxt >>> >>> RTFI: http://www=2Eccl=2Enet/chemistry/aboutccl/instructions/ >> --=20 >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E >> ------UIALQZQ40TMZR3CHI3TNLMN12OO74X >> Content-Type: text/html; >> charset=utf-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >> >> Dear Mr=2E Sobral,

I think what You describ= >> ed is pretty much normal? Surely if the molecule is not completely rigid (s= >> uch as pyrene or so) there will be differences between the gas phase and th= >> e solvent phase=2E

As what regards finding the transition state, may= >> be this would be helpful:

> 16/05/26/the-art-of-finding-transition-states-part-1/">https://joaquinbarro= >> so=2Ecom/2016/05/26/the-art-of-finding-transition-states-part-1/
>> Best wishes,
Igors Mihailovs


On 2= >> 3 January 2021 21:25:08 EET, "Lu s Sobral lsobral!=3D!hovione=2Ecom" <ow= >> ner-chemistry/./ccl=2Enet> wrote:
> =3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);= >> padding-left: 1ex;"> >>

Sent to CCL by: "Lu s Sobral" [lsobral=2E/./=2Eh= >> ovione=2Ecom]
I am doing PCM solvent calculations in methanol of a molec= >> ule whose geometry
was previously optimized in the gas phase=2E The cal= >> culations are being performed
at the B3LYP/6-31G(d) level of theory=2E = >> This specific molecule is a transition
state and the geometry changed d= >> uring PCM (IEFPCM) calculations=2E The output
structure presents a geom= >> etry different from the input structure and it is not
a transition stat= >> e=2E The software I am using is Gaussian 16=2E

Thank you,
Lus Sob= >> ral



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I am utterly confused by this. Can anyone comment? I found the Mr. Sobral's question on ResearhGate, too, but I have never heard of  "clc" instruction in Gaussian, nor can I find it in the Reference.

Mr. Sobral,

What did change in the contents of the output file when You added said instruction (except for geometry)?

Please forgive my stupidity if that is the reason of my confusion.
_________

Yours sincerely,
Igors Mihailovs
Research assistant
Laboratory of Organic Materials
Institute of Solid State Physics
University of Latvia

On 1/29/21 11:59 AM, Lu s Sobral lsobral_-_hovione.com wrote:
Sent to CCL by: "Lu  s  Sobral" [lsobral{}hovione.com]

Dear Mr. Mihailovs,
I would like to thank you for replying to my message.

I have done PCM solvent calculations with other molecules, including transition 
states, and the geometry did not change. I the mean time, I tried to add the 
instruction "Close all;" prior to the program of the molecule which changed the 
geometry, and it worked well (geometry did not change).

Thank you and best wishes,
Lus Sobral

 "Igors Mihailovs igorsm_+_cfi.lu.lv"  wrote:
Sent to CCL by: Igors Mihailovs [igorsm,cfi.lu.lv]
------UIALQZQ40TMZR3CHI3TNLMN12OO74X
Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Mr=2E Sobral,

I think what You described is pretty much normal? Surely if the molecule i=
s not completely rigid (such as pyrene or so) there will be differences bet=
ween the gas phase and the solvent phase=2E

As what regards finding the transition state, maybe this would be helpful:

https://joaquinbarroso=2Ecom/2016/05/26/the-art-of-finding-transition-stat=
es-part-1/

Best wishes,
Igors Mihailovs


On 23 January 2021 21:25:08 EET, "Lu s Sobral lsobral!=3D!hovione=2Ecom" <=
owner-chemistry/./ccl=2Enet> wrote:
Sent to CCL by: "Lu  s  Sobral" [lsobral=2E/./=2Ehovione=2Ecom]
I am doing PCM solvent calculations in methanol of a molecule whose
geometry=20
was previously optimized in the gas phase=2E The calculations are being
performed=20
at the B3LYP/6-31G(d) level of theory=2E This specific molecule is a
transition=20
state and the geometry changed during PCM (IEFPCM) calculations=2E The
output=20
structure presents a geometry different from the input structure and it
is not=20
a transition state=2E The software I am using is Gaussian 16=2E

Thank you,
Lus Sobral



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ed is pretty much normal? Surely if the molecule is not completely rigid (s=
uch as pyrene or so) there will be differences between the gas phase and th=
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ule whose geometry <br>was previously optimized in the gas phase=2E The cal=
culations are being performed <br>at the B3LYP/6-31G(d) level of theory=2E =
This specific molecule is a transition <br>state and the geometry changed d=
uring PCM (IEFPCM) calculations=2E The output <br>structure presents a geom=
etry different from the input structure and it is not <br>a transition stat=
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