From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jul 15 01:05:00 2025 From: "=?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=BCseyin_Karaca?= karaca^sakarya.edu.tr" To: CCL Subject: CCL: The CCL goes away.... Message-Id: <-55400-250714233204-18897-GNMRUcyRUaIRAk0WnAy9kw++server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=BCseyin_Karaca?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 06:31:39 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: =?UTF-8?Q?H=C3=BCseyin_Karaca?= [karaca:+:sakarya.edu.tr] Dear Jan, I was someone who wanted to study Computational Chemistry. However, due to circumstances, I worked experimentally. Fifteen years ago, a friend told me, "If you want to study computational chemistry, you should become a CCL member. If you're not a CCL member, never say you're studying computational chemistry." So, I joined CCL. During this time, I did nothing but read emails. I tried to integrate myself into the world by doing calculations for a few publications. I've been paying closer attention to CCL for the past couple of years. And it's late for me, but I've unfortunately only recently discovered what a tremendous resource CCL is. Hearing that such a large project is progressing thanks to your dedication is heartwarming. I personally thank you so much. You taught people like us, who struggle to access information, that knowledge isn't hidden by sharing it in a vast environment, and thus, you gave us (and me personally) hope. I sincerely pray to Allah to bless you with a long and healthy life. Along with my prayer, I also hope you get to travel the world in your retirement. Assoc.Prof.Dr.Hüseyin KARACA Sakarya Üniversitesi, Fen Ed.F., Kimya Bölümü, 54187 Sakarya/Türkiye Tel: 0090 264 2956049 (Direct) Jan Labanowski jasienku|a|gmail.com , 9 Tem 2025 Çar, 05:01 tarihinde şunu yazdı: > > Dear CCL Subscribers, > > CCL Closure > > With some melancholic feelings I need to announce that I will be closing the CCL Mailing list, i.e., the mail sent to chemistry-#-ccl.net will no longer distribute messages to CCL Subscribers. It will happen within a week or two. This service is just no longer used, that is, it is no longer needed. Yet, operating this kind of service is a lot of work due to the overwhelming level of spam attempts and also exploits to attack the server. On top of this, I am getting senile, and keeping up with these developments becomes a burden. So, at some point (a week or two) the address chemistry-#-ccl.net and corresponding Web pages to submit messages to the list, will no longer distribute email to subscribers. > > I will try to keep the CCL Web site running for a bit longer, so if you need to grab something from there, you still have a month or two. Also, since there are some unexpired position openings announcements ( https://server.ccl.net/jobs ), I need to run this site, as it was my commitment. I plan to do some traveling later this summer and fall, and I will probably close the CCL Web site at this time. Leaving the server without monitoring is becoming a very risky proposition lately. > > I would like to thank all CCL participants, for being with me. Some of you were members of CCL Community for a long time. It makes me believe, that at some point, it was a useful service, and it helped Computational Chemistry to gain more popularity. > > Thank you for participating... It was a honor! > > Jan Labanowski > jasienku-#-gmail.com , ccl-#-ccl.net > From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Tue Jul 15 14:47:00 2025 From: "Anatoli Korkin korkin-.-nanoandgiga.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: The CCL goes away.... Message-Id: <-55401-250715124113-26671-xZWOA1ZQG2C0jlz3Ieu4qQ : server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Anatoli Korkin Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000037f6e80639fa718d" Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:40:52 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Anatoli Korkin [korkin ~~ nanoandgiga.com] --00000000000037f6e80639fa718d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear CCLers, I write this message as P.S. to my first one below, as a reference to my own related activities and connection to Jan Labanowski, with whom we met 29 years ago at one of the Air Force workshop. We became friends and collaborated on several projects in conference organizing and web development. A quick look at all messages as a response to Jan's "goodbye CCL" post is evident (to me): There is a strong sense of community and appreciation to what Jan has done for 30+ years and many people regret that CCL may not exist anymore in spite of declining communication. Many people have been silent observers and use the CCL archive in their research and education. > From my own experience of managing Facebook information sharing groups for relatively large groups the following rule applies: about 10% of group members read posts on a regular basis and about 1% of members are active contributors. Jan told me that currently CCL has about 3000 subscribers and that he received about 300 responses on his "goodbye" post. All messages in response to Jan have "thank you for your service" part, many have "would be nice to preserve the CCL archive" note and some have "why do not we preserve the CCL community and move on with a new environment" suggestion. A few people have offered help with maintaining future CCL. As someone who has experience with publishing and online projects in science and education, I may suggest to create a group of interested people and expend CCL community beyond the mailing list adding other online activities including webpages on specific topics, online lectures recorded and stored on youtube, webinars and even online conferences. Provided that such an operation becomes stable it can attract volunteers and can develop collaboration on institutional level. Limited reasonable marketing can bring some resources for maintenance. To make sure that this not just my fantasies you can take a look at ASDN.NET (educational website) and website of my last conference, which I have organized in covid time with no funding available, 6 month old daughter on my laps and two remote part time volunteers in Arizona, with participants as far East as South Korea and as far West as California. All presentations were recorded and stored on youtube and most of presentations are available in pdf format online: https://nanoandgiga.com/rustec2020/ I'll be glad to help with my experience if there is interest in moving on with preserving (and expanding?) CCL community. Best regards, Anatoli Korkin Tel: +1-480-329-5710 (WhatsApp andTelegram) https://asdn.net/asdn/members/korkin.php On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 5:29=E2=80=AFPM Anatoli Korkin korkin]^[nanoandgiga= .com < owner-chemistry%a%ccl.net> wrote: > Dear CCLers, > > Jan Labanowki's contribution into science, technology and education is > beyond CCL. In my own life and career Jan's help was critical. Web sites = of > my projects in technology consulting and education was designed and > supported by Jan in their initial stage as replicas of ccl.net and they > keep its origin along with some modifications and development including > ASDN.NET (educational web site in atomic scale science), NGC conferences > series (websites of first two were built by Jan, left side menu at the > bottom) and NGS (my consulting company site): > > https://asdn.net/asdn/about/index.php > > https://nanoandgiga.com/ngc2017/ > > https://nanoandgiga.com/ > > Jan and I (with Jim Greer), we were editors of one of the books in the > series published after the NGC conferences: > > > https://www.amazon.com/Nano-Giga-Challenges-Microelectronics-Greer/dp/044= 4514945 > > When I lost my job at Motorola in 2003 Jan stepped in as a very dear > friend and helped me to grow up as an independent consultant while some > others who claimed to be friends ran away because I was no longer a sourc= e > of funding support. Jan has a big heart and he has been the most supporti= ve > person in my life at the difficult time period. > > We all get older and technology development (in this case virtual servers > and now AI) change the way we communicate in science and education. In so= me > cases we catch for a while, in others we have to give up and enjoy watchi= ng > the younger generation making its own progress on new paths. Inspired by > CCL for a long time, I admire computational chemistry software including > its intuitive graphic interfaces as a potential tool for science educatio= n > with potential to be used in high and even middle schools. Unfortunately = I > was not successful in obtaining funding for my efforts and ended up by > creating my youtube channel where I and some of my friends created lesson= s > in atomic scale materials design (aka computational chemistry): > > https://www.youtube.com/],[atomicscaledesignfornewbie8489 > > If some of you (CCLers) have similar passion in education I will be happy > to join some of the efforts or "market" yours at ASDN. May be this could = be > a continuing effort of what Jan has seeded 35+ (?) years ago as CCL! > > THANK YOU, JAN for what you have done for me and all of us! > > Best regards, > Anatoli Korkin > Tel: +1-480-329-5710 (WhatsApp andTelegram) > https://asdn.net/asdn/members/korkin.php > > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 10:16=E2=80=AFPM Jan Labanowski jasienku|a|gmail.c= om < > owner-chemistry],[ccl.net> wrote: > >> Dear CCL Subscribers, >> >> CCL Closure >> >> With some melancholic feelings I need to announce that I will be closing >> the CCL Mailing list, i.e., the mail sent to chemistry-#-ccl.net will no >> longer distribute messages to CCL Subscribers. It will happen within a w= eek >> or two. This service is just no longer used, that is, it is no longer >> needed. Yet, operating this kind of service is a lot of work due to the >> overwhelming level of spam attempts and also exploits to attack the serv= er. >> On top of this, I am getting senile, and keeping up with these developme= nts >> becomes a burden. So, at some point (a week or two) the address >> chemistry-#-ccl.net and corresponding Web pages to submit messages to >> the list, will no longer distribute email to subscribers. >> >> I will try to keep the CCL Web site running for a bit longer, so if you >> need to grab something from there, you still have a month or two. Also, >> since there are some unexpired position openings announcements ( >> https://server.ccl.net/jobs ), I need to run this site, as it was my >> commitment. I plan to do some traveling later this summer and fall, and = I >> will probably close the CCL Web site at this time. Leaving the server >> without monitoring is becoming a very risky proposition lately. >> >> I would like to thank all CCL participants, for being with me. Some of >> you were members of CCL Community for a long time. It makes me believe, >> that at some point, it was a useful service, and it helped Computational >> Chemistry to gain more popularity. >> >> Thank you for participating... It was a honor! >> >> Jan Labanowski >> jasienku-#-gmail.com , ccl-#-ccl.net >> >> --00000000000037f6e80639fa718d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear CCLers,

I write this mes= sage as P.S. to my first one below, as a reference to my own related activi= ties and connection to Jan Labanowski, with whom we met 29 years ago at one= of the Air Force workshop. We became friends and collaborated on several p= rojects in conference organizing and web development.

A quick look a= t all messages as a response to Jan's "goodbye CCL" post is e= vident (to me): There is a strong sense of community and appreciation to wh= at Jan has done for 30+ years and many people regret that CCL may not exist= anymore in spite of declining communication. Many people have been silent = observers and use the CCL archive in their research and education. From my = own experience of managing Facebook information sharing groups for relative= ly large groups the following rule applies: about 10% of group members read= posts on a regular basis and about 1% of members are active contributors. = Jan told me that currently CCL has about 3000 subscribers and that he recei= ved about 300 responses on his "goodbye" post.

All messag= es in response to Jan have "thank you for your service" part, man= y have "would be nice to preserve the CCL archive" note and some = have "why do not we preserve the CCL community and move on with a new = environment" suggestion. A few people have offered help with maintaini= ng future CCL. As someone who has experience with publishing and =C2=A0onli= ne projects =C2=A0in science and education, I may suggest to create a group= of interested people and expend CCL community beyond the mailing list addi= ng other online activities including webpages on specific topics, online le= ctures recorded and stored on youtube, webinars and even online conferences= . Provided that such an operation becomes stable it can attract volunteers = and can develop collaboration on institutional level. Limited reasonable ma= rketing can bring some resources for maintenance. To make sure that this no= t just my fantasies you can take a look at ASDN= .NET (educational website) and website of my last conference, which I h= ave organized in covid time with no funding available, 6 month old daughter= on my laps and two remote part time volunteers in Arizona, with participan= ts as far East as South Korea and as far West as California. All presentati= ons were recorded and stored on youtube and most of presentations are avail= able in pdf format online:

https://nanoandgiga.com/rustec2020/

I'll be glad to h= elp with my experience if there is interest in moving on with preserving (a= nd expanding?) CCL community.

=
Best regards,
Anatoli Korkin
Tel: +1-480-329-5710 (WhatsApp andTelegram)<= /span>


On Thu, Jul 10, 2025 at 5:29=E2=80=AFPM Anatoli Korkin korkin]^[nanoandgiga.com <owner-chemistry%a%ccl.net> wrote:
Dear C= CLers,

Jan Labanowki's contribution into science, technology and= education is beyond CCL. In my own life and career Jan's help was crit= ical. Web sites of my projects in technology consulting and education was d= esigned and supported by Jan in their initial stage as replicas of ccl.net=C2=A0and they keep its origin along with so= me modifications and development =C2=A0including ASDN.NET (educational web site in atomic scale scie= nce), NGC conferences series (websites of first two were built by Jan, left= side menu at the bottom) and NGS (my consulting company site):

https://asd= n.net/asdn/about/index.php

https://nanoandgiga.com/ngc2017/

https://nanoandgiga.com/<= /a>

Jan and I (with Jim Greer), we were editors of one of the books = in the series published after the NGC conferences:

https://www.amazon.com/Nano-Giga-Challenges-Microelectro= nics-Greer/dp/0444514945

When I lost my job at Motorola in 2003 = Jan stepped in as a very dear friend and helped me to grow up as an indepen= dent consultant while some others who claimed to be friends ran away becaus= e I was no longer a source of funding support. Jan has a big heart and he h= as been the most supportive person in my life at the difficult time period.=

We all get older and technology development (in this case virtual = servers and now AI) change the way we communicate in science and education.= In some cases we catch for a while, in others we have to give up and enjoy= watching the younger generation making its own progress on new paths. Insp= ired by CCL for a long time, I admire computational chemistry software incl= uding its intuitive graphic interfaces as a potential tool for science educ= ation with potential to be used in high and even middle schools. Unfortunat= ely I was not successful in obtaining funding for my efforts and ended up b= y creating my youtube channel where I and some of my friends created lesson= s in atomic scale materials design (aka computational chemistry):

https://www.youtube.com/],[atomicscaledesignfornewbie8489

If some of you (CCLers) have similar passion in education I will b= e happy to join some of the efforts or "market" yours at ASDN. Ma= y be this could be a continuing effort of what Jan has seeded =C2=A0 35+ (?= ) years ago as CCL!

THANK YOU, JAN for what you have done for me and= all of us!

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Best regards,
Anatoli Korkin
Tel: +1-480-329-5710 (WhatsApp andTelegram)
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2025 at 10:16= =E2=80=AFPM Jan Labanowski jasienku|a|gmail.com <owner-chemistry],[ccl.net> wrote:
Dear CCL Subscr= ibers,

CCL Closure

With some melancholic feelings I need to a= nnounce that I will be closing the CCL Mailing list, i.e., the mail sent to= chemistry-#-ccl.n= et will no longer distribute messages to CCL Subscribers. It will happe= n within a week or two. This service is just no longer used, that is, it is= no longer needed. Yet, operating this kind of service is a lot of work due= to the overwhelming level of spam attempts and also exploits to attack the= server. On top of this, I am getting senile, and keeping up with these dev= elopments becomes a burden. So, at some point (a week or two) the address <= a href=3D"mailto:chemistry-#-ccl.net" target=3D"_blank">chemistry-#-ccl.net= and corresponding Web pages to submit messages to the list, will no lo= nger distribute email to subscribers.

I will try to keep the CCL Web= site running for a bit longer, so if you need to grab something from there= , you still have a month or two. Also, since there are some unexpired posit= ion openings announcements ( https://server.ccl.net/jobs ), I need to run this site, as = it was my commitment. I plan to do some traveling later this summer and fal= l, and I will probably close the CCL Web site at this time. Leaving the ser= ver without monitoring is becoming a very risky proposition lately.

= I would like to thank all CCL participants, for being with me. Some of you = were members of CCL Community for a long time. It makes me believe, that at= some point, it was a useful service, and it helped Computational Chemistry= to gain more popularity.

Thank you for participating... It was a h= onor!

Jan Labanowski
jasienku-#-gmail.com , ccl-#-ccl.net

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