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Hello everyone,
	I'm working on a grant for time on a Cray to perform molecular
dynamics calculations.  Does anybody have any information comparing Amber
and Sybyl(versions 4.0 and 5.7 I think) in terms of vectorization?  I
could also use any information on benchmarks between the programs in terms of
efficiency.  Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
I would also be interested in information comparing these two on other
platforms.
Thanks
Chuck

Charles Letner
Wright State University
Department of Biochemistry
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	Hi netters!

	I'm searching for references of infrared intensities in Si-compounds.

	Thanks in advance.

		Anselmo Elcana de Oliveira

 	Departamento de Fisico-Quimica
	Instituto de Quimica
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As promised here is the summary of replies on Homology studies.

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>From major@dino.qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu Tue Feb 22 14:14 GMT 1994

HOMOLOGY by Biosym (San Diego, CA) has an integrated package to search
sequence databases and make homology 3D model. I have used it for
several years with satisfaction.

_____________________________________________________________________
Joseph G. Major, Ph.D.  major@qci.bioch.bcm.tmc.edu
(713)664-2288 (voice)	(713)664-8914 (fax)

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>From KOEHLER@IRBM.IT Fri Feb 18 19:06 GMT 1994

Dear Mr. Allen:

   There is plenty of code to do standard 1D/1D peptide sequence matching
which dates back to the Needleman-Wunsch algorithm.[1]  One package which
contains several variations of this matching algorithm is the GCG software.[2] 

[1] Needleman, S. B.; Wunsch, C. A general method applicable to the search for
    similarities in the amino acid sequence of two proteins.  J. Mol. Biol.  
    1970, 48, 444-453. 

[2] Genetics Computer Group, (1991), Program Manual for the GCG
    Package, Version 7, April 1991, 575 Science Drive, Madison, Wisconsin, 
    USA  53711.

    More recently, there has been a great deal of interest in methods for
finding which 3D protein structure is compatible with a given 1D sequence (the
inverse protein folding problem).  This software is potentially useful for
finding structures which despite their low primary sequence homology,
nevertheless share similar protein folds. Below is a summary of the responses
to my query to the bionet.biology.computational mail newsgroup
(comp-bio@dl.ac.uk).

   Below is a summary of publicly or commercially available sequence/structure
matching software.  I apologize in advance for any omissions or errors. Thanks
to all that replied, especially Steve Bryant, Steve Brenner, Gordon Crippen,
Vladimir Maiorov, and David Eisenberg. 

1) Brenner (seb1005@mbfs.bio.cam.ac.uk)
   plans to make software available "once it's stable"

2) Bryant (bryant@melanie.nlm.nih.gov), Lawrence
   The Bryant threading software is available via anonymous ftp from
   ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (130.14.25.1) in the compressed tar archive
   /pub/pkb/Threading.tar.Z. 

3) Blundell, Donnelly, Eisenmenger, Johnson, Overington, Sali, Topham,
   Blundell's Composer software is available from Tripos Associates however
   the Blundell's sequence/structure software is currently not available. 

4) Crippen (crip@phar.umich.edu), Maiorov (wowa@phar.umich.edu)
   Crippen and Maiorov's contact potential software may be obtained by writing
   Vladimir Maiorov. 

5) Eisenberg (david@uclaue.mbi.ucla.edu), Bowie, Choe, Luthy, McLachlan, Mcleod,
   Wesson, Wilmanns, Yamashita
   Academics may obtain the 3D Structures Profile software by writing David
   Eisenberg.  Commercial sites may obtain this software through Biosymm. 

6) Jones (jones@bsm.bioc.ucl.ac.uk), Taylor, Thornton
   plans to make it available, but not ready yet

7) Ouounis, Sander, Scharf, Schneider
   no information

8) Sippl, Casari, Floeckner, Froschauer, Gottsbacher, Hendlich, Lackner,
   Weitckus
   no information

9) Skolnick, Godzik, Kolinski
   Sknolnick's MatchMaker software will be available from Tripos Associates.

   The following excellent reviews compare and contrast the various methods
available for sequence/structure matching. 

(1) Wodak, S. J.; Rooman, M. J. Generation and testing protein folds.  Curr.
    Opinion Struct. Biol.   1993, 3, 247-259.

(2) Fetrow, J. S.; Bryant, S. H. New programs for protein tertiary structure
    prediction.  Bio/Technology   1993, 11, 479-484.


     I hope you find the above information useful.

     Sincerely,

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>From raman@bioc01.uthscsa.edu Fri Feb 18 19:11 GMT 1994

Andy:

There are many ways you could achieve this:

1. BLAST server
2. FASTA protocol
3. Server in Heidelberg

You can obtain information on 1 & 2 by setting your gopher client to any
of the biology gophers (e.g. fly.bio.indiana.edu).

I like 3, since it not only provides the homology, but also the
secondary structure prediction.  This server is maintained by Chris
Sander's group at EMBL, Heidelberg.

To get instructions on using the server do the following:

send email to the following address with no subject field:

predictprotein@embl-heidelberg.de

just include the word "help" in the body of the message.

Cheers
-raman
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>From richards@msicam.co.uk Mon Feb 21 16:37 GMT 1994

Hi Andy,


Standard rationale for getting 3D structures from sequence usually involve

1) database search of primary sequences (Brookhaven have some facilities 
   for this)

2) alignment of "best score" sequences (use FASTA, SOMAP etc.)

3) modelling of chunks or unknown sequence onto the 3D shapes of
   homologous proteins

4) annealing unknown coordinates to "stitch together" all the residues
   to make a final 3D model

5) refinement and minimization/dynamics

Quanta/CHARMm have , believe it or not, all of steps 1 to 5!

You can scan your structure database and get back "best hits". Use
FASTA to align multiple sequences (usually around 5 at once). Then
replace unknown coordinates bit by bit (based on the best homologous
structure/sequence). The annealing is done by CHARMm and you tweak the
refinement using rotamer libraries to place your sidechains. Then finish
off with CHARMm for the final minimization.

Let me know if you need any help in setting up your files etc. to
automate your database searching/alignments.

Richard


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>From nittoli@pokey.chem.sunysb.edu Mon Feb 21 18:03 GMT 1994

Hi Andy,

I know of two commercial programs that can do what your colleague desires.
One is COMPOSER, part of SYBYL (Tripos, St. Louis, MO, USA) and the other is
HOMOLOGY, part of Insight (BioSym, San Diego, CA, USA).  COMPOSER is based on
T. Blundell's work (Eur. J. Biochem., 172:513-520 (1988)) and HOMOLOGY is 
based on J. Greer's work (J. Mol. Biol., 153:1027-1042 (1981)).

It is important to know the phylogenetic relationship among other known 3D 
proteins in order to do this type of modelling.

Good luck,


Thomas Nittoli
Dept. of Chemistry
State University of NY
Stony Brook, NY 11794-3400 USA

Phone: (516)632-7854   FAX: (516)632-7960
Internet: nittoli@pokey.chem.sunysb.edu


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Dear Netters,

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I gather you have just had a discussion on this newsgroup about the use of
C++ - we have had a similar one on bionet.software.  I'm not intending to
re-open the discussion (which I didn't read at the time, but have had
mailed to me), but to ask for help from those of you who believe in a
collaborative, tool-based, approach to software development.

	I believe that it is now possible to get a relatively unstructured
group of netters who, communally, develop fundamental tools (not programs)
for certain parts of scientific computation (e.g. bioinformatics and the
related part of computational chemistry).  I hope to set this going in the
next week or two by posting (probably at Daresbury) various tools that I
have written.  Hopefully these can act as a nucleus which will accrete 
other voluntary contributions.

	There are several categories of tools - not all yet very well 
populated - such as:
	a C++ class library
	tcl scripts and tk gui's
	tools for using CIF, not just for crystallography but as a generic
		mechanism for handling many file types and creating simple
		*portable* container classes (specifically arrays and 
		heterogeneous compound objects)
	navigational aids (esp. html/www)

In addition it would be useful to have:
	collections of read-only data (such as the connexion tables for
		amino acids; atomic weights, etc)
	manuals and examples of well-defined file formats


	The present major component is a set of C++ routines for some
basic aspects of bioinformatics.  Examples are:  reading/writing various
file formats, PDB, CIF, sequence entries; molecular geometry; and a
considerable amount of basic housekeeping (dynamic arrays, text parsing,
etc)).  This has been designed (or at least has evolved!) to support
extensibility in a distributed community.  It also has an automatic
documenting system which produces structured html pages from the *.h files
(if written in an appropriate manner) and a large set of test routines and
examples. 

	I'd be very grateful for anyone who would like to test a beta
version of this.  It's been developed on g++, CC (cfront on IRIS), and
Borland 3.0.  My experience is that C++ is not totally portable at
present, especially in *loading*.  I have *not* used templates since
although I can get them to compile and run sometimes, I find it difficult
to get the same code running on all three platforms.  (I use the macro
method instead).   Besides helping with installation it is important to 
get feedback on whether the style and documentation are helpful.

	A major concern I have is for navigation.  I have sometimes found
other people's C++ libraries often take quite a bit of time getting into. 
Therefore the use of html (you will need a clinet/browser such as mosaic, 
though lynx would do) is critical. 

	I am also thinking about the best "rules" or constitution for a
self-help exercise like this.  Control of the namespace is important since
otherwise the project degenerates into incompatible regions, but informal
extensibility is needed or the project won't live.  I have at least two
experiences which make me optimistic that it will work. The first is the
way that many computational groups flourish (I'm partcularly familiar with
tcl.comp.lang where high-quality tools are developed and added at frequent
intervals); and secondly the development of the STAR/CIF dictionaries and
tools by the crystallographic community. 

DISCLAIMER:
	I have used these tools, inter alia, for teaching at MSc level at
Birkbeck College.  Neither Birkbeck, nor my employers Glaxo, is formally
responsible for the contents of this message, nor for the software
described, though they are aware of my intention to make them public. 

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Hi,

 We would like to perform some calculations using J. Tomasi's SCRF
continuum solvent model (Miertus,Scrocco and Tomasi, Chem Phys 55,117(1981)),
which has been incorporated into at least one version of the MONSTERGAUSS 
program. Note that this is Not the Kirkwood-Onsager SCRF method 
(ideal dipole in a spherical cavity) which has also been implemented 
in other versions of the MONSTERGAUSS program, as well as in Gaussian 92.

 We are looking for information about how to obtain the 
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and/or email or fax addresses for J. Tomasi or Juan Bertran.

Thanks so much for your assistance.

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From noy@tci002.uibk.ac.at  Wed Feb 23 15:06:50 1994
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Dear computational chemists,
	I have a question about the coordination number obtained
>from MD and MC simulations. Let me give an example of a cation
in hydration shell. The cation has a resident time which no water
exchange occurs within this period. Most MD simulations ( mostly
within a few picoseconds ) can give only an exact value of 
coordination number. For example, hydration number of 6 is given.
In the other hand, MC, with time-independence and truly statistically,
could probably gives the coordination number closer to the experiment
which the observation time is much more than an MD.
MC can also give percentual distribution of coordination numbers
( not exactly 6 ,i.e,  98% for 6, 1.2 % for 7 and 0.8% for 5 ). 
	Is it true ? Any comments and ideas would be greatly
appreciated.
						yours truly,
						Teerakiat
--- Teerakiat Kerdcharoen
    noy@tci2.uibk.ac.at

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:     I am working on the obtention of pair potentials from ab initio
:    embedded cluster calculations. I would like to test these pair 
:    potentials but actually I haven't any code to do Molecular Dynamics
:    or Monte Carlo simulations of solids (bulk or/and surfaces). Does 
:    somebody know about some freely distributed program which allows 
:    to do such simulations?

Dear sir,
	Sorry to reply to the lists since someone may be interested.
	A good MD program freely available on internet called Moldy
may be of some values for you. The program is well-documented and
well structural programmed. It can run on Unix, Cray and VMS. The
potential could be easily changed inside the program. It supports
many features i.e. Ewald long-range corrections, RDF. I believe that
it can perform simulations in solid phase.
	The program can be reached via anonymous FTP at 

	earth.ox.ac.uk    /pub/moldy

	The author is Keith Refson     keith@earth.ox.ac.uk

							sincerely,
							Teerakiat
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Oh no! A Monte Carlo vs. MD debate!!

Speaking as someone who has a little working familiarity with
both techniques...I'm as unqualified to answer this as anyone.
And completely unbiased (NOT). 

It seems like the issue is whether the MD or MC calculation is
converged or not with respect to the computation of equilibrium
properties. In principle, if steps are taken to ensure that the 
MD simulation is ergodic, the MD and MC methods will converge
to the same equilibrium properties. In the limit of infinite sampling
you are guaranteed this with MC, but not with MD unless you
use some of the standard, elegant tricks to randomize things a bit.
Of course, when the sample is finite you have no guarantee that
either method will be completely ergodic. In Monte Carlo-land this
is called "quasi-ergodicity."  Perhaps in MD-land too.

I hope this note is at least entertaining, because it certainly
doesn't answer the implied question...namely, which method is
better / more appropriate for your particular application. 
My own personal bias screams "Use MD for info on the time-dependence
and MC for equilibrium properties," but there are plenty of useful
ways to use MD to calculate equilibrium properties.

Hopefully this is of some help to you - Allen and Tildesley present
nice discussions of MD vs. MC in their book "Computer Simulations
of Liquids."

-Robert

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> Recently i got involved in some combined experimental and theoretical
> work on small liganded Cu/Ag/Au cations. I am using standard ab initio
> techniques with different pseudopotential parametrizations. In order to
> avoid errors and/or incompletenes in the reference list I would appreciate
> to point me to publications in this field. I tryed some literature data
> bases, however, the results are poor.
   By my opinion,for calculations with medium-size basis may be good
 non-local pseudopotential by Y.Sakai e.a. .
   If i am correct,it was published in
 Y.Sakai,E.Miyoshi,M.Klobukowski,S.Huzinaga,J.Comp.Chem.,1987,v.8,N3,
 p.226-264
       (unfortunally i can't check it because our shop don't have
this journal :-(  ).

   Some years ago we used this pseudopotential for study of some
Cu-contained compounds,but then we didn't have any experience.

   Mikhail Kuzminsky,
Institute of Organic Chemistry,Moscow
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Folks,
        Is there a repository or body of literature for Sybyl FF
parameters out there?  I know there's been scads of interest in generating
missing MM2 parameters over the years, but I'm interested in whether
there's been similar work with Sybyl...  Examples of missing params
are things like S-H, Si-H, P-H...

        I know there's a mechanism for handling params that are totally
absent.  In this case, the ??-H params are falling under the *-H
default parameter of 1.008 - which is not really useful for these larger
atoms.

	I would rather find a set of "appropved" or "semi-approved"
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Thanks in advance!

Joe Leonard
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	Hi all netters!

		This is perhaps a very naive question but I wasn't be 
able to find the appropriate bibliography.
		My problem is as follows: I've got an open-shell mole-
cule belonging to Td symmetry group. It has the configuration (1t_2)^2.
The direct product t_2 x t_2 gives A_1 + E + T_1 + T_2. Now, is there 
any set of rules like Hund's ones for atomic configuration that allow
one to decide which triplet is the most stable, 3A_1, 3E, 3T_1 or 3T_2?
		Any answer or book reference is welcome ( I tried the 
Herzberg's and some books on Quantum Chemistry but the info isn't com-
plete). 
		Please send mails to me.
		Thanks in advance,

						Reinaldo

