From sunger@crl.com Thu Nov 17 02:27:12 1994 Received: from mail.crl.com for sunger@crl.com by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id CAA17687; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 02:05:23 -0500 Received: from crl4.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA15457 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:04:47 -0800 Received: by crl4.crl.com id AA15881 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:05:20 -0800 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 1994 23:05:18 -0800 (PST) From: Stefan Unger To: Mrigank Cc: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: Re: CCL:Protein Structure/COnformational Analysis ? In-Reply-To: <9411151909.AA14660@doe.ernet.in> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I am looking for the programs/algorithms/references regarding protein > structure analysis. I mean the analysis of various conformational > features by which we can compare two proteins, Can comment on > flexibility/accesibility or get other topological/geometrical feauters. Protein Expert (for MAC with math coprocessor) can do some nice analysis of protein structure, including comparisons of structures digested into a database of sequence, distance and angle relationships. You can search for motifs. Volume comparisons of proteins is also quite complete. A demo is available at www.camsci.com Or, email a request to me and I can email the demo to you. I hope this helps. From mutz@ifp.mat.ethz.ch Thu Nov 17 04:27:14 1994 Received: from bernina.ethz.ch for mutz@ifp.mat.ethz.ch by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id EAA18587; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 04:09:35 -0500 From: Received: from dove (actually dove.ethz.ch) by bernina.ethz.ch with SMTP inbound; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:08:59 +0100 Message-Id: <9411170912.AA07615@dove> Received: from ifp.mat.ethz.ch (erne) by dove.ethz.ch id AA07615; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:12:28 +0100 Received: by erne.ethz.ch; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:09:07 +0100 To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: Software for archiving literature Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:09:07 +0100 Dear collegues I am looking for a public domain package for archiving and organizing literature reference data on a IBM RS6k (or any UNIX platform). A pretty X11 user interface would be nice, but even a collection of clever awk scripts would do. Thanks for your help Marcel. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Marcel Utz phone: +41 1 632 5672 Institute of Polymers fax: +41 1 632 1096 ETH-Zurich CNB E 98.2 CH-8092 Zurich, Switzerland email: Marcel.Utz@ifp.mat.ethz.ch ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From toukie@zui.unizh.ch Thu Nov 17 04:29:56 1994 Received: from rzusuntk.unizh.ch for toukie@zui.unizh.ch by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id EAA18526; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 04:01:48 -0500 Received: by rzusuntk.unizh.ch (4.1/SMI-4.1.9) id AA14729; Thu, 17 Nov 94 10:01:46 +0100 X-Nupop-Charset: British Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:55:47 +0100 (MET) From: "Hr Dr. S. Shapiro" Sender: toukie@zui.unizh.ch Reply-To: toukie@zui.unizh.ch Message-Id: <35748.toukie@zui.unizh.ch> To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: Three questions Dear Colleagues: I have three questions, as follows: (i) Does anyone know substituent pi constants (used for calculating partition coefficients) for the isobutyl {-CH2CH(CH3)2} and/or sec-butyl {-CH(CH3)CH2CH3} groups? If so, kindly advise me of the values and the reference(s) in which these experimental values can be found. I would like to use these pi-values to estimate the partition coefficients of some phenolic derivatives. (ii) With respect to the Hammett substituent constants (sigma)m and (sigma)p, is it legitimate to assume that the sigma constant for an ortho- substituted derivative, "(sigma)o" will be (approximately) the same as the (sigma)p value? Why or why not? Any published references specifically ad- dressing this question would be most sincerely appreciated. My third question is NOT a computational chemistry one, but whilst I have your attention I tought that I might as well ask it: (iii) Does anyone know of any commercial source anywhere of reagent-grade o-, m-, and/or p-isobutylphenol and any types of o-, m-, and/or p-pentyl- and/or hexylphenols? If so, kindly send details. I thank all responders in advance for kindly sharing their experience (and data) with me. Sincerely, (Dr.) S. Shapiro Institut fuer orale Mikrobiologie und allgemeine Immunologie Zentrum fuer Zahn-, Mund, und Kieferheilkunde der Universitaet Zuerich Plattenstrasse 11 Postfach CH-8028 Zuerich, Switzerland Internet: toukie@zui.unizh.ch FAX-nr: ( ... + 1) 261'56'83 From vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de Thu Nov 17 06:27:16 1994 Received: from dg4.chemie.uni-konstanz.de for vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id FAA19097; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 05:35:50 -0500 Received: by chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de (MX V3.3 AXP) id 17279; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:33:36 CET Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:33:27 CET From: Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann To: chemistry@ccl.net CC: vaxinf@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de Message-ID: <00987997.814A3073.17279@chclu.chemie.uni-konstanz.de> Subject: need aimpac-input data Hi, I've generated the aimpac-programs successfully after some modifactions ("uninitialized variables"). Now I would be thankful to get some input-data to test the whole stuff. thanks Eberhard Heuser-Hofmann Univ.Konstanz Germany From herbert.homeier@rchs1.chemie.uni-regensburg.de Thu Nov 17 07:27:16 1994 Received: from comsun.rz.uni-regensburg.de for herbert.homeier@rchs1.chemie.uni-regensburg.de by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id HAA19691; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 07:04:31 -0500 Received: from rchs1.chemie.uni-regensburg.de by comsun.rz.uni-regensburg.de with SMTP id AA07878 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 13:01:10 +0100 Received: by rchs1.chemie.uni-regensburg.de (4.1/URRZ-sub (1.5)) id AA18618; Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:03:26 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 13:03:26 +0100 From: Herbert Homeier (t4720) Message-Id: <9411171203.AA18618@rchs1.chemie.uni-regensburg.de> To: eccc@hackberry.chem.niu.edu Subject: Re: 80: Multimedia Chemistry / MIME types for symbolic computations Cc: rzepa@ic.ac.uk, monagan@inf.ethz.ch, CHEMISTRY@ccl.net, maple-list@daisy.uwaterloo.ca, maple@daisy.uwaterloo.ca Reply-To: na.hhomeier@na-net.ornl.gov Dr. Henry Rzepa writes with respect to ECCC (see below), Paper 80: > I was very impressed with the breadth of coverage and the quality of this > teaching tool. > > I wonder if in teaching Quantum mechanics and other mathematically orientated > subjects, the authors have considered serving up "live" Mathematica notebooks > as well as images, movies etc. I believe that the MIME type of > application/x-mathematica is being formalised. This enables readers to > participate in the maths actively, but of course does presuppose that they > have Mathematica installed on their system. Such "hyperactive" > maths is in use in our course, as well as "hyperactive" programs in the > computing > course. I believe that the inclusion of semantic content as well as "passive" > bitmaps is essential in such courses. > > Try http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hyperactive/diff.ma for an example. Configure > your WWW "helper" types to correspond to the above MIME type. > > Dr Henry Rzepa, Department of Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY; > rzepa@ic.ac.uk via Eudora 2.1.1, Tel (44) 171 594 5774 or 594 5809. > Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. World-Wide-Web URL: > http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa.html > In my opinion, the use of symbolic computational tools like Mathematica is very promising, for teaching and as well for research, in all sciences. However, I would like to have available support on WWW for other very powerful symbolic algebra packages like Maple. (see http://129.97.140.58/) This package is of growing importance, especially in Europe. It also has worksheets. A very positive aspect of Maple is that it has an active Maple Users Group. A MIME type for Maple would definitely be helpful. Best regards Herbert -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Herbert H. H. Homeier Institut fuer Physikalische und Theoretische Chemie Universitaet Regensburg D-93040 Regensburg, Germany Phone: +49-941-943 4720 FAX : +49-941-943 2305 email: na.hhomeier@na-net.ornl.gov -------------------------------------------------------------- What is ECCC? See http://rchs1.uni-regensburg.de/ECCC/ECCC.html From tolja@maya.geo.uu.se Thu Nov 17 08:27:18 1994 Received: from columba.udac.uu.se for tolja@maya.geo.uu.se by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id IAA20145; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 08:09:00 -0500 Received: from maya.geo.uu.se.geo (maya.Geo.UU.SE) by columba.udac.uu.se with SMTP id AA21854 (5.67b8/IDA-1.4.4 for CHEMISTRY@ccl.net); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 14:08:55 +0100 Received: by maya.geo.uu.se.geo (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA06526; Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:01:57 +0100 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 14:01:57 +0100 From: tolja@maya.geo.uu.se (Anatoli Belonoshko) Message-Id: <9411171301.AA06526@maya.geo.uu.se.geo> To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net Subject: Nice animations: summary of responds X-Charset: LATIN1 X-Char-Esc: 29 Dear Colleague, The respond on my request for "nice animations" of preferably of inorganic systems was not overwhelming at all. Therefore, special thanks to those who provided me with cyberspace coordinates. I have received three useful pointers. Two of them I already knew. The third was for organic systems. As a matter of fact I have not found what I expected. Still it might be of some help to you. "Enclosed" please find three informative responds. Hope it helps. Best regards, Anatoly Belonoshko Uppsala University, Sweden ---------------------------------------------- From savary@sc2a.unige.ch Fri Oct 14 16:34:04 1994 Dear Anatoly, You can have a look at our WWW server you can find a few animations, with e.g. a ferrocene dynamics see : http://scsg9.unige.ch/eng/toc.html hope this helps Francois Savary ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Francois Savary University of Geneva Department of Physical Chemistry CHIFI Weber 30 quai Ernest-Ansermet CH-1211 Geneva 4 Lab : 112 Phone : +4122 702 65 32 Fax : +4122 702 65 18 e-mail : savary@sc2a.unige.ch HTML : http://scsg9.unige.ch/tabmat.html (in french) : http://scsg9.unige.ch/eng/toc.html (in english) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From GLASSER@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA Fri Oct 14 16:58:13 1994 For starting points on visualisation in chemistry, try http://www.nih.gov/molecular_modeling/mmhome.html and http://scsg9.unige.ch/eng/toc.html for a start. There are now quite a few WWW sites accessible. Leslie Glasser !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE NOTE: New E-mail address. Old address: 009lgzs@witsvma.wits.ac.za should no longer be used. ====================================================================== (Prof.) Leslie Glasser Dept. of Chemistry E-mail: glasser@aurum.chem.wits.ac.za Univ. of Witwatersrand Tel: Intl + 27 11 716-2070 P. O. WITS 2050 Fax: Intl + 27 11 339-7967 South Africa ====================================================================== From lars@sodium.mps.ohio-state.edu Sun Oct 23 23:54:37 1994 Dear Dr. Belonoshko, you can find a small collection of animations of inorganic MD computer simulations at the anonymous-ftp site chem-ftp.mps.ohio-state.edu, in the directory /moviemol. At the same place you will find the molecular animation program "moviemol" for MS-DOS, ibm risc/6000 and silicon graphics platforms. Some more animations will probably be added to this site in the not-to-distant future. Best regards, #=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# Dr. Lars Ojamae Phone (614) 292-7806 Dept of Chemistry, Ohio State University Email lars@sodium.mps.ohio-state.edu #=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=#=# From gjt@ccl.net Thu Nov 17 11:27:22 1994 Received: from mailhost.lanl.gov for gjt@ccl.net by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id LAA22283; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:03:49 -0500 Received: from t12 by mailhost.lanl.gov (8.6.8.1/1.2) id JAA24726; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:03:43 -0700 Received: from [128.165.22.134] (macgjt.ARPA) by t12 (4.1/5.17) id AA07708; Thu, 17 Nov 94 09:03:41 MST Message-Id: <9411171603.AA07708@t12> X-Sender: gjt@t12.lanl.gov Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 10:25:29 -0700 To: chemistry@ccl.net From: gjt@t12.lanl.gov.Greg.Tawa (Greg Tawa, 7-8765) Subject: Matches Dear people, This may not be a quantum chemistry question but: I need to know what kind of chemical reaction takes place when one strikes a match? Also when were matches invented? Thanx Gregory J. Tawa gjt@t12.lanl.gov From oesterei@hrz.ba-freiberg.de Thu Nov 17 11:32:33 1994 Received: from orion.hrz.ba-freiberg.de for oesterei@hrz.ba-freiberg.de by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id LAA22343; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 11:10:42 -0500 Message-Id: <199411171610.LAA22343@www.ccl.net> Received: by orion.hrz.ba-freiberg.de (16.6/15.6) id AA20641; Thu, 17 Nov 94 17:07:06 +0100 From: Ralf Oestereich Subject: SUMMARY: G92/GAMESS/SPARTAN To: chemistry@ccl.net (Computer Chemistry List) Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 17:07:06 MEZ Mailer: Elm [revision: 66.25] Dear netters! Thank you very much for all your answers concering my questions with GAMESS/GAUSSIAN and SPARTAN. You really helped us with your comments and ideas. Because I received emails that showed general interest I will summarize those for the whole cummunity. If I, however, forgot someone please mail me and I will correct this! Again: I was impressed from your fast and extremly useful help !!! R. Oestereich From: peeter@chem.ut.ee (Peeter Burk) > > And further: Does anyone have some experiences in combining > GAMESS with SAPRTAN 3.0? > You should look at program babel somewhere at chemistry.ccl.net, it should be able to take spartan output and generate from it gamess (or gaussian or ...) input file. ---> This was infect a really great help! Whenever you need a programm to convert different file formats into eachother try BALBES! (archie will find it!) From: : Spartan can create the input for you directly. It is NOT true that you must use internals, the keyword COORD=CARTESIAN allows normal cartesian input (and is automatically introduced by Spartan). If you have Gaussian and Spartan on the same machine, everything is simple, you just submit things from Spartan 3.1 directly. If Gaussian is on another machine without the ability to run Spartan, it's a little more complicated. I have created some simple Unix scripts for utilizing the Spartan setup and sending it directly to another machine running Gaussian. There is no need for daemons or anything on the remote machine. If you want, I can send you the scripts. With any of these methods, you can view the output in Spartan easily. Per-Ola Norrby From: Maitre Ph Hi, I have some experience switching between gamess and gaussian92. First of all, 1) yes it is possible and easy to use cartesian coordinates with gaussian92, 2) if you are used to gamess, there is an option (FRIEND=GAUSSIAN in the namelist CONTRL) which generates an input for gaussian92, 3) we have a simple fortran codes to convert MOs from one program to the other. PS : The FRIEND keyword might not be available in an old Gamess version. From: "Joe Leonard" It should be straightforward to connect GAMESS to Spartan, as long as GAMESS writes an archive file with the basis set specification, molecular orbital coefficients and the like. The Spartan archive is a readable file, and I can send a brief description of its contents if you would like. Spartan, however, does not support internal coordinates. We use the new(er) Cartesian optimization capabilities of G92 - does GAMESS use cartesian coord? If you are interested in seeing graphics from GAMESS calculations, if GAMESS writes grid files, I can also email a description of the external gridfile format supported by Spartan's graphics module... From: Pat Walters Our program Babel will interconvert files from SPARTAN, GAUSSIAN, and GAMESS (as well as alot of other programs). I'm attaching more information below. If you have any questions please let me know. Pat _______________________________________________________*__________________ BABEL is a program designed to interconvert a number of file formats currently used in molecular modeling. The program is available for Unix (AIX, Ultrix, Sun-OS, Convex, SGI, Cray, Linux), MS-DOS, and on Macs running at least System 7.0. Babel will read the following file types : Alchemy AMBER PREP Ball and Stick Biosym .CAR Boogie Cacao Cartesian Cambridge CADPAC* CHARMm* Chem3D Cartesian 1 Chem3D Cartesian 2 CSD CSSR CSD FDAT* CSD GSTAT Free Form Fractional GAMESS Output* Gaussian Z-Matrix Gaussian Output* Hyperchem HIN* Mac Molecule Macromodel Micro World MM2 Input MM2 Ouput MM3* MMADS* MDL MOLfile* MOLIN* Mopac Cartesian Mopac Internal Mopac Output PDB ShelX Sybyl Mol* Sybyl Mol2* XYZ Babel will write the following file types : Alchemy Ball and Stick Cacao Cartesian CAChe MolStruct* Chem3D Cartesian 1 Chem3D Cartesian 2 ChemDraw Conn. Table* CSD CSSR* Gamess Input* Gaussian Cartesian* Gaussian Z-matrix Hyperchem HIN* IDATM Mac Molecule Macromodel Micro World MM2 Input* MM2 Ouput MM3* MMADS* MDL Molfile* Mopac Cartesian Mopac Internal PDB Report Sybyl Mol* Sybyl Mol2* XYZ Babel is capable of assigning hybridization, bond order, and connectivity when these elements are not present in the input file. NOTE: The file formats indicated with * are not currently supported in the Mac version. We're currently working on a Mac update which will include all these formats, and few other new goodies. This update should be ready in a couple of weeks. INSTALLATION OVERVIEW Babel is availiable via anonymous ftp from joplin.biosci.arizona.edu in pub/Babel Any questions regarding BABEL should be directed to babel@mercury.aichem.arizona.edu From: FOX@cmchem.chem.cmu.edu Doug Fox from Gaussian, Inc. here. I will include a sample Gaussian input at the end of my message but in general I think you will find that the Gaussian input is easier and more flexible than the GAMESS input and SPARTAN will simplify that further. 1) Gaussian could always do single points with cartesian coordinates but Gaussian 92 allowed optimizations with either internals, cartesians or a mixture of both. 2) The options selection in Gaussian92 is keyword driven with the optoin of overriding any of the defaults. The vast majority of input data fields are free-format reducing input errors due to placing data in the wrong place on a line. 3) The SPARTAN interface is based on an ongoing commitment to make Gaussian interact with a wide variety of graphical interfaces. We maintain a dialog with a number of developers and as new features are added tp Gaussian we work to make the data available in a format for facile display. I am including a example from our test suite showing input with mixed cartesian/internal coordinates. It does an optimization calculating the nuclear second derivative at the first point, with the STO-3G basis and the restricted Hartee-Fock hamiltonian. Data saved in the checkpoint file, named in the first line can be passed to later jobs, i.e. structures, wavefunctions and second derivatives to initialize optimization bigger basis set or a different model. This Technical data is licensed by the United States of America. Use of this Technical data contrary to U.S. law or in the design, development production, stockpiling, or use of chemical or biological weapons is prohibited. From sunger@crl.com Thu Nov 17 13:27:21 1994 Received: from mail.crl.com for sunger@crl.com by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id MAA24014; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 12:40:29 -0500 Received: from crl2.crl.com by mail.crl.com with SMTP id AA18190 (5.65c/IDA-1.5 for ); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:39:52 -0800 Received: by crl2.crl.com id AA05463 (5.65c/IDA-1.5); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:39:48 -0800 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 1994 09:39:47 -0800 (PST) From: Stefan Unger To: Anatoli Belonoshko Cc: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net Subject: Re: CCL:Nice animations: summary of responds In-Reply-To: <9411171301.AA06526@maya.geo.uu.se.geo> Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Dear Colleague, > > The respond on my request for "nice animations" > of preferably of inorganic systems was not > overwhelming at all. Therefore, special thanks to > those who provided me with cyberspace coordinates. > > I have received three useful pointers. Two of them > I already knew. The third was for organic systems. As > a matter of fact I have not found what I expected. Still > it might be of some help to you. An "animation" of Fe binding site in ferredoxin (from Protein Expert "wobble" mode for stereo viewing) is available at www.camsci.com I hope you find this useful. From hinsenk@ERE.UMontreal.CA Thu Nov 17 17:27:22 1994 Received: from effraie.CC.UMontreal.CA for hinsenk@ERE.UMontreal.CA by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id RAA28428; Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:19:34 -0500 Received: from eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA by effraie.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA01553 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for CHEMISTRY@ccl.net); Thu, 17 Nov 1994 17:18:05 -0500 Received: from cyclone.ERE.UMontreal.CA by eole.ERE.UMontreal.CA (940406.SGI/5.17) id AA29073; Thu, 17 Nov 94 17:18:04 -0500 Received: by cyclone.ERE.UMontreal.CA (940406.SGI/5.17) id AA19503; Thu, 17 Nov 94 17:18:03 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 94 17:18:03 -0500 From: hinsenk@ERE.UMontreal.CA (Hinsen Konrad) Message-Id: <9411172218.AA19503@cyclone.ERE.UMontreal.CA> To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net In-Reply-To: <9411171203.AA18618@rchs1.chemie.uni-regensburg.de> (Herbert.Homeier@chemie.uni-regensburg.de) Subject: Re: CCL:80: Multimedia Chemistry / MIME types for symbolic computations However, I would like to have available support on WWW for other very powerful symbolic algebra packages like Maple. (see http://129.97.140.58/) This package is of growing importance, especially in Europe. It also has worksheets. A very positive aspect of Maple is that it has an active Maple Users Group. Another package worth mentioning (because it is still relatively unknown) is MuPAD, developed at the University of Paderborn in Germany. It is not yet as complete as Mathematica or Maple, but it does have all the basic features of symbolic algebra packages. Its syntax resembles Maple's (intentionally), but is much cleaner in some areas, e.g. matrix computations. Being based on an object-oriented kernel, it is easier to extend than some other programs. And not the least of its advantages is that it is free for academic users. There are versions for many Unix machines (including Linux) plus a Mac version; others are in preparation. Look at ftp.uni-paderborn.de for more information. And let's not forget to mention GNU-Calc, which is of course much less powerful than "real" symbolic algebra packages, but so much more convenient that I still use it more than anything else. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Konrad Hinsen | E-Mail: hinsenk@ere.umontreal.ca Departement de Chimie | Tel.: +1-514-343-6111 ext. 3953 Universite de Montreal | Fax: +1-514-343-7586 C.P. 6128, succ. A | Deutsch/Esperanto/English/Nederlands/ Montreal (QC) H3C 3J7 | Francais (phase experimentale) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------