From h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk  Mon Jan 30 04:44:25 1995
Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk  for h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id DAA27149; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 03:52:46 -0500
Received: from cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk (actually sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk) by romeo.ic.ac.uk 
          with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 08:51:00 +0000
Received: from macb.ch by cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk (931110.SGI/4.0) id AA17827;
          Mon, 30 Jan 95 08:50:54 GMT
X-Sender: rzepa@155.198.63.8
Message-Id: <ab5256a901021004f490@[155.198.224.12]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 08:51:03 +0000
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
From: h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk (Rzepa,Henry)
Subject: Re: CCL:WWW Oversight


Bruce A. Luxon writes;

>The idea that some self
>appointed committee is going to referee the quality of my web site is
>abhorent. If you don't like a particular site don't visit it anymore.
>We don't need anymore control freaks than we already have.

There is a distinction I think between unsolicited control, and
situations where you actually submit a URL to a site known
to impose it. If one turns one's mind back to
150 years ago. "Scholarly works" were often "published"
privately at the author's own expense, and circulated amongst
friends and peers. We are pretty much in that era now with
WWW pages! However, very soon we will be awash with
home pages, and quite soon career prospects might start
depending on such accomplishments, or grant awards etc.
At this stage, people will WANT an independent body to
referee the quality of what they produce. Perhaps we
have one such. They are called learned societies.

Might I also point out that Chemical Abstracts are
apparently investigating whether abstracting a home
page is possible or worthwhile. If we solve the
problem of how to ensure at least a degree of data
permanency, then we have the idea of a WWW abstracts
section within CA!

Dr Henry Rzepa, Department of Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY;
rzepa@ic.ac.uk via Eudora 2.1.1, Tel  (44) 171 594 5774 or 594 5809.
Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. World-Wide-Web URL:
http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa.html        




From h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk  Mon Jan 30 05:09:31 1995
Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk  for h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id EAA27214; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 04:05:11 -0500
Received: from cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk (actually sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk) by romeo.ic.ac.uk 
          with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:04:56 +0000
Received: from macb.ch by cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk (931110.SGI/4.0) id AA18234;
          Mon, 30 Jan 95 09:04:47 GMT
X-Sender: rzepa@155.198.63.8
Message-Id: <ab52593e020210048fda@[155.198.224.12]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:05:00 +0000
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
From: h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk (Rzepa,Henry)
Subject: Propose: A Hypermail conversion of the CCL


Dear all,

I would like to propose that  items sent to the CCL list be made available
via WWW pages using Hypermail. For an example, see
http://www.mailbase.ac.uk/hypermail/mac-supporters/archive.html

This has several advantages

a) It is far easier to retrieve an old message.
b) Threads are maintained according to subject header, and hence
easier to follow (provided we all use informative subject headers)
c) The entire archive could be indexed, and hence easily searched using a
keyword.
d) Dare I say it, but those who find the sheer bulk of messages too much could
unsubscribe, but still gain the advantage of browsing through what they
have missed,
perhaps picking up the one or two items of genuine interest to them
e) Any URL submitted within the body of a text is instantly activatable
f) It would increase "hypertext" awareness amongst users, and hence prepare
the ground for further conference such as the ECCC last year.

There are also interesting alternatives to the use of Hypermail. For example
http://www.oac.uci.edu/indiv/ehood/mhonarc.doc.html
is MIME RFC 1521 compliant (unlike Hypermail).

I will announce to this list shortly a proposed mechanism
for enclosing "chemical" message bodies in e-mail. This  would
automatically make available any molecule or other chemical type sent with
a message as a hyperlink. Have a look at the discussion in
http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/hypermail/chemime/
as an example of what we might achieve.

Dr Henry Rzepa, Department of Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY;
rzepa@ic.ac.uk via Eudora 2.1.1, Tel  (44) 171 594 5774 or 594 5809.
Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. World-Wide-Web URL:
http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa.html        




From h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk  Mon Jan 30 05:41:04 1995
Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk  for h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id EAA27379; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 04:50:48 -0500
Received: from cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk (actually sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk) by romeo.ic.ac.uk 
          with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:50:13 +0000
Received: from macb.ch by cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk (931110.SGI/4.0) id AA20313;
          Mon, 30 Jan 95 09:50:04 GMT
X-Sender: rzepa@155.198.63.8
Message-Id: <ab5265580402100467d6@[155.198.224.12]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:50:13 +0000
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
From: h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk (Rzepa,Henry)
Subject: Chemistry symbols in HTML/WWW documents
Cc: Ben Whitaker <benw@chemistry.leeds.ac.uk>,
        Murray-Rust Dr P <pmr1716@ggr.co.uk>


A major complaint by chemists is that HTML does not support Greek, Maths, et=
c.

I came across this little gem today;

  =AC    &#172;      Not sign
   =B0    &#176;      Degree sign
   =B1    &#177;      Plus-minus sign
   "    &#178;      Superscript two
   "    &#179;      Superscript three
   =B5    &#181;      Micro sign (Greek letter mu)
   =B7    &#183;      Middle dot
   '    &#185;      Superscript one
   =BC    &#188;      lowe case pi
   =BD    &#189;      upper case pi
   =BE    &#190;      less than or equal
   =C5    &#197;      A ring above (Angstroms)
   =D7    &#215;      Multiplication sign
   =D8    &#216;      O oblique stroke (could be a null set symbol??)
   =F7    &#247;      Division sign

Note that this is how they display on a Macintosh! It is quite probable
that say the
pi is not a pi on a PC! Also, I send this message from a Mac. It really
does show
pi etc in the left hand column in my e-mail window, but I have no idea what
it will
look like by the time you folks get it. Try it with Netscape and the
URL http://www.csci.csusb.edu/dick/iso8859-1.html

The designation  &#189;  is the so called "entity" declaration in HTML.
Apparently HTML 3 will support a far larger set.

Dr Henry Rzepa, Department of Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY;
rzepa@ic.ac.uk via Eudora 2.1.1, Tel  (44) 171 594 5774 or 594 5809.
=46ax: (44) 171 594 5804. World-Wide-Web URL:
http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa.html       =20




From maciekb@hypnos.chem.pg.gda.pl  Mon Jan 30 05:47:59 1995
Received: from altis  for maciekb@hypnos.chem.pg.gda.pl
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id FAA27603; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 05:35:26 -0500
Received: from hypnos.chem.pg.gda.pl by altis (5.0/SMI-SVR4)
	id AA27109; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:39:04 --100
Received: by hypnos.chem.pg.gda.pl (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO)
	for @altis.chem.pg.gda.pl:CHEMISTRY@ccl.net id AA00786; Mon, 30 Jan 95 11:34:53 +0100
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 11:34:53 +0100
From: maciekb@hypnos.chem.pg.gda.pl (Maciej Baginski)
Message-Id: <9501301034.AA00786@hypnos.chem.pg.gda.pl>
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
Subject: MAC'95 Symposium Announcement
content-length: 3291



Dear Netters,

Please find enclosed the announcement of MAC'95 Symposium. The information
below is part of the First Circular. Since some subjects of the Symposium
is devoted to computer-aided drug design I am sending the announcement 
also to CCL list.
Please note that the full information about MAC'95 is available 
through mosaic: http://www.pg.gda.pl/chem/mac95.html
You can also use e-mail: mac@altis.chem.pg.gda.pl
to order the Second Circular or to registrate.

Sincerely,
Maciej Baginski
Department of Pharmaceutical Technology
and Biochemistry
Technical University of Gdansk
Gdansk, Poland
fax: (++48) 58-471993
e-mail: maciekb@altis.chem.pg.gda.pl

begining of the Announcement
------------------------------------

5th International Symposium on
MOLECULAR ASPECTS OF CHEMOTHERAPY
*******************************************************************
under the auspices
INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY OF CHEMOTHERAPY
organized by
Committee on Drug Research Polish Academy of Sciences 
and Technical University of Gdansk
Gdansk, Poland, August 21-24, 1995

GENERAL PROGRAM
The Symposium is intended to bring together scientists representing 
different disciplines related to molecular aspects of chemotherapy: 
biorganic and physical organic chemists, biochemists, enzymologists, 
biophysicists, crystallographers, quantum chemists, clinicians. 
Molecular approaches to immune defense modulating agents, control of 
gene expression, etc. will also be included. While aimed primarily 
at problems of control in eukaryotic systems, prokaryotes will be 
included. The meeting should contribute to further development of 
a rational basis for drug design.

SCIENTIFIC PROGRAM
Five half-day sessions are scheduled for plenary and half-hour lectures 
by invited authorities. Several poster and oral presentation sessions 
are also planned.
The following topics will be covered:
- structural basis of biological properties of active agents
- molecular mechanisms of drug-target interactions (nucleic acids, 
  proteins and enzymes, membranes, etc.)
- molecular mechanisms of selectivity of drug action
- molecular mechanisms of drug resistance
- new targets and drug prototypes
- availability of drugs at target sites (transport, metabolic activation 
  and inactivation, drug targeting)
- rational drug design
- bioorganic chemistry of immunomodulating agents
The Proceedings, comprising the text of invited speakers, and extended 
abstracts of selected free communications, will be published in a special 
volume.

ORGANIZING COMMITTEE
E. Borowski (chairman)
D. Sugar
J. Konopa
B. Lesyng
M. Gniazdowski
T. Kulikowski
W. Rode
M. Bontemps-Gracz (organizing secretary)

INTERNATIONALY ADVISORY COMMITTEE
F. Arcamone, Italy
P. Borst, Holland
J.A. McCammon, USA
P. Janssen, Belgium
A. Krayevsky, Russia
L. Montagnier, France
S. Omura, Japan
W.H. Prusoff, USA
A. Sartorelli, USA
J.D. Williams, UK
H. Zur Hausen, Germany

ADDRESS FOR CORESPONDENCE
5th International Symposium on Molecular Aspects of Chemotherapy,
c/o Department of Pharmaceutical Technology and Biochemistry
Technical University of Gdansk
11/12 Narutowicza St,
80-952 Gdansk, POLAND
Tel.: (++48) (58) 472523;  Telex: 0512302; Fax: (++48) (58) 472694
e-mail: mac@altis.chem.pg.gda.pl
http://www.pg.gda.pl/chem/mac95.html

---------
end


From oscar@bilbo.edu.uy  Mon Jan 30 06:42:09 1995
Received: from seciu.uy  for oscar@bilbo.edu.uy
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id GAA28067; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 06:19:41 -0500
Received: from bilbo.edu.uy by seciu.uy with smtp
	(Smail3.1.28.1 #27) id m0rYt82-000lygC; Mon, 30 Jan 95 08:14 GMT-3:00
Received: by bilbo.edu.uy (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03)
          id AA23510; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 08:18:30 -0300
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 08:18:29 -0300 (TZ )
From: "Oscar N. Ventura" <oscar@bilbo.edu.uy>
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Subject: Re: CCL:WWW Oversight
Message-Id: <Pine.A32.3.91.950130075953.24779A-100000@bilbo.edu.uy>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


Netters,
 In principle, I don't consider abhorent that an independent comittee nay
referee anyone's home page. In that I agree with Henry's message today.
 But (there's always a but, isn't it?) what are the criteria this
comitee (eventually the "learned societies"?) will use for the evaluation?
I'm sure everybody agrees that the essential content is new and valuable
information. Na gut! But what about presentation? We all know that a very
well designed home page viewed with Netscape may have a completely
disgusting appearence viewed with Mosaic! Or that a beatifully designed,
plenty of images home page in Europe, may be really never appreciated for
instance here because I will need some 5 minutes to load it and then I will
prefer simply to delay image loading!
 And what about content (i.e. new and valuable info)? What is that? The
apparent state of mind here in this net is that a home page is a bit like
a paper (or a set of papers). I would say it is much more like a whole
journal, or (what it is really) the front end of a laboratory or institution.
In my opinion a page must be alive for been useful. A certain degree of
freezing is necessary (some valuable material should always stay there!)
but mostly it should be changing so that the page is attractive, not only
for new users but also for old ones. By the way, how many times in one's
life one rereads classical, beautifully written, extremely valuable for
their moment, papers? 10? But, how loyal are we to reading JACS or
JChemSoc?
 Then, I agree that some discussion about independent refereeing is
healthy. But, I think, we are not yet at the point of agreeing on what
are the external parameters to be used in assessing quality. After all,
very few people in our profession is building up home pages at this 
moment without thinking that they will be inmediately noticed by the
colleagues. So, I don't think somebody is simply saying "ok, I have a
low quality thing, but let's show it anyway, nobody will notice!".
O.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Dr. Oscar N. Ventura                 Tel.     +(5982)941860
MTC-Lab                              Fax      +(5982)941906
Gral.Flores 2124, C. C. 1157         E-mail   oscar@bilbo.edu.uy
Montevideo, URUGUAY                  MTC-Lab  http://bilbo.edu.uy/MTC-Lab.html
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------


From ccl@probe.ac1.uni-duesseldorf.de  Mon Jan 30 09:40:58 1995
Received: from probe.ac1.uni-duesseldorf.de  for ccl@probe.ac1.uni-duesseldorf.de
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id IAA29846; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 08:52:12 -0500
Received: by probe.ac1.uni-duesseldorf.de (5.61/1.34)
	id AA29389; Mon, 30 Jan 95 05:51:52 -0800
From: ccl@probe.ac1.uni-duesseldorf.de (CCL-LIST)
Message-Id: <9501301351.AA29389@probe.ac1.uni-duesseldorf.de>
Subject: Compute uv/spectra for p/containing substances
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 14:51:51 +0100 (MEZ)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL2]
Content-Type: text
Content-Length: 228       


Dear Reader!
I wood like to know if there is any parameter set for Phosphorus
containing Substances. Zindo/s does not have it.
I want to compute UV-spectra. 
Thank you for response!
C.Arendt, University of Duesseldorf, Germany


From gregory@wucmd.wustl.edu  Mon Jan 30 09:53:46 1995
Received: from wugate.wustl.edu  for gregory@wucmd.wustl.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id JAA00851; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:53:46 -0500
Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP 
	id AA08733; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 08:53:38 -0600
Received: by wucmd (931110.SGI/911001.SGI)
	for @wugate.wustl.edu:CHEMISTRY@ccl.net id AA11310; Mon, 30 Jan 95 06:36:26 -0600
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 06:30:43 -0600 (CST)
From: Gregory Nikiforovich <gregory@wucmd.wustl.edu>
Subject: Re: CCL:WWW Oversight
To: h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk
Cc: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
In-Reply-To: <ab5256a901021004f490@[155.198.224.12]>
Message-Id: <Pine.3.07.9501300641.A11196-b100000@wucmd>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


On Mon, 30 Jan 1995 h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk wrote:

> There is a distinction I think between unsolicited control, and
> situations where you actually submit a URL to a site known
> to impose it. If one turns one's mind back to
> 150 years ago. "Scholarly works" were often "published"
> privately at the author's own expense, and circulated amongst
> friends and peers. We are pretty much in that era now with
> WWW pages!

   150 years ago people like Pasteur and Faraday had ideas. Now it seems that
 people like those proposing censoring of WWW pages have no ideas, but a lot
 of imagination how to sell their sixpence of knowledge for a pound. Nice to
 hear from you, fellows progressists!


##############################################################################

Gregory V. Nikiforovich                                   Phone (314) 935-4677
Research Professor                                        Fax   (314) 935-4979
Center for Molecular Design                            E-mail address:
Washington University                                  gregory@wucmd.wustl.edu
Lopata Hall, Box 1099
St.Louis, MO 63130

##############################################################################



From jtgolab@amoco.com  Mon Jan 30 10:41:25 1995
Received: from interlock.amoco.com  for jtgolab@amoco.com
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id KAA01411; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:28:37 -0500
Received: by interlock.amoco.com id AA09332
  (InterLock SMTP Gateway 3.0 for CHEMISTRY@ccl.net);
  Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:28:33 -0600
Message-Id: <199501301528.AA09332@interlock.amoco.com>
Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-3);
  Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:28:33 -0600
Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-2);
  Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:28:33 -0600
Received: by interlock.amoco.com (Protected-side Proxy Mail Agent-1);
  Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:28:33 -0600
From: jtgolab@amoco.com (Joe Golab)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 09:26:51 -0600
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail)
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
Subject: WWW page
Cc: jtgolab@amoco.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0


In regards the WWW Chemistry homepage conversations:

A recent Forbes article talks about the "Internet".  One quote is
especially pertinent:

"Some observers point out that humans rarely react to technology the
 way that technologists think they should, and success usually isn't
 realized for a decade or two after a technology is developed."
                                               (Forbes 1/30/95 p.100)

Seen in this light, it looks like WWW still has a long way to go.

For my $0.02, I would like to see a National Lab or one of the
Supercomputer centers pick this up, i.e. "a science WWW" of which chemistry
is one branch.  If it is done in the right way, - eventually - we will all
have something that will be a useful tool in getting research done/ideas
explained/a public memory started.

Or, we could petition NetScape or SpyGlass that this kind of
functionality be implemented in Mosaic.


-- 

:Joe
 jtgolab@amoco.com
 (708) 961-7878  <SOCON 8 231 7878>

 +----------------------------------------------------------------+
 | In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice; |
 | but in practice, there is a great deal of difference.          |
 +----------------------------------------------------------------+


From cbas25@vms.strath.ac.uk  Mon Jan 30 10:46:43 1995
Received: from harris.cc.strath.ac.uk  for cbas25@vms.strath.ac.uk
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id KAA01571; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:36:51 -0500
Received: from vaxa.cc.strath.ac.uk (actually host vaxa.strath.ac.uk) 
          by harris with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:32:49 +0000
Received: by vms.strath.ac.uk (MX V4.1 VAX) id 28;
          Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:28:24 EST
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:28:20 EST
From: "CBAS25 ::P_BLADON ::CBAS25" <cbas25@vms.strath.ac.uk>
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Message-ID: <0098B3DE.93E1102C.28@vms.strath.ac.uk>
Subject: pKa Calculation summary


Dear Colleagues,
	Here as promised is the summary of the responses I got from the
enquiry on calculation of pKa values.   Very many thanks to all who replied
to this.  I had looked at the archives but it is obvious that I missed the
recent enquiry on a similar topic.  I shall be looking into the the avenues
afforded by the replies. 
Yours sincerely
Peter Bladon

First the enquiry I made:
______________________________________________________________________________
>Dear Colleagues,
>I am writing to ask if anyone knows of software for calculation of pKa 
>values of organic compounds.  Ideally I would like to calculate the full 
>range of organic structures, but if necessary it could be applicable
>to structures with conventional ionizable groups.  Methods using
>addition of functional group parameters would be ideal.
>
>If there is any interest in this topic I will summarise for the group.
>Yours sincerely
>Peter Bladon

>Department of Pure and Applied Chemistry
>University of Strathclyde
>Glasgow G1 1XL   Scotland   UK
>cbas25@vms.strath.ac.uk
>Phone/Fax (+44)(0)141-776-1718
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"rudolphc@sbh.Cyanamid.COM" 

Dear colleague,
please try the demo version on
gopher://www.ccl.net:73/11/software/MS-WINDOWS/pKa_logP_logD-demo
This can also be reached via WWW as http://www.ccl.net/chemistry.html
(software archive MS-Windows).
Kind regards,
Christine Rudolph

Dr. Christine Rudolph				phone: ++49 - 6130 - 911 - 403
Molecular Modelling				fax:   ++49 - 6130 - 911 - 113
Cyanamid Forschung GmbH				e-mail:rudolphc@sbh.cyanamid.com
Zur Propstei
55270 Schwabenheim
Germany
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"E.A.Wilinska@open.ac.uk" 

I asked the same question a few months ago and I am forwarding you a reply (the
only one) that I got. Hope this helps.

		Ela Wilinska
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
>From:	MAIL1::"butch@sunlac.chem.uga.edu" 

>If you can send the structures, we have a reasonable 
>pKa calculator (pka's in water). The SMILES string 
>if you're familiar with it would be best.

>Butch Carreira                             butch@sunlac.chem.uga.edu
Department of Chemistry                    (706) 542-2050 or 2051
>The University of Georgia                 (706) 542-9454 FAX
>Athens, GA  30602
""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"nxb96@acs.org" 

Dear Peter,
        There is a peer-reviewed  pKa calculater appropriately called pKalc
by CompuDrug.  I will be sending you a demonstration diskette as well as
marketing and spec information to your adress posted.  This package is
available to ACs members for 695 through the ACS order department.  I will
send you a complete catalog and ordering information as well. Hope this
helps!  NB
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"adit@extreme.chem.rpi.edu"

Peter,

	Check the archives of this list. I think that this was discussed
not too long ago. I think that the best one for your purposes is CAMEO
written by the Jorgensen group at Yale University.

Adi T.

______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"gilson@indigo12.carb.nist.gov"

Dear Peter,

I don't know of software, but here are two references
of possible interest.  I would guess that the authors
could make their programs available.

@Article{dixon_pka,
  author = 	 "Steven J. Dixon and Peter C. Jurs",
  title = 	 "Estimation of p{K}a for Organic Oxyacids using
		  calculated atomic charges",
  OPTcrossref =  "",
  OPTkey = 	 "",
  journal = 	 "J. Comput. Chem.",
  year = 	 "1993",
  volume = 	 "14",
  OPTnumber = 	 "",
  pages = 	 "1460-1467",
  OPTmonth = 	 "",
  OPTnote = 	 "",
  OPTannote = 	 ""
}
@Article{pka_qsar1,
  author = 	 "Gilles Klopman and Dan Fercu",
  title = 	 "Application of the {M}ultiple {C}omputer {A}utomated
		  {S}tructure {E}valuation methodology to a
		  quantitative structure-activity relationship study
		  of acidity",
  OPTcrossref =  "",
  OPTkey = 	 "",
  journal = 	 "J. Comput. Chem.",
  year = 	 "1994",
  volume = 	 "15",
  OPTnumber = 	 "",
  pages = 	 "1041-1050",
  OPTmonth = 	 "",
  OPTnote = 	 "",
  OPTannote = 	 ""
}

Good luck,

Mike Gilson
Center for Advanced Research in Biotechnology
gilson@indigo12.carb.nist.gov
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"jaeger@3dp.com"

Peter,

I would appreciate hearing any replies that you get to your message
about pKa calculations.  Thanks.

Ed Jaeger ..... em: jaeger@3dp.com -- 
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"MARTIN@cmda.abbott.com"

Let me know what you find.  The one thing I know about is CAMEO from Bill
Jorgensen's group. I haven't tried it out, but am about to do so.

Yvonne Martin
Abbott Laboratories
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"kcousins@wiley.csusb.edu"

This topic was discussed and I believe summarized recently on this list
(in the last 6 mos?).  Check the archives.

Kimberley Cousins
Department of Chemistry
California State University, San Bernardino
5500 University Parkway
San Bernardino, CA  92407

(909)880-5391
kcousins@wiley.csusb.edu
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"jborn@triton.unm.edu" 

Peter 

I would like to have a copy of your responses to the pKa question.

Thanks
__________________________________________________________
Jerry L. Born Ph. D.
Professor of Pharmacy			Voice (505) 277-3657
The College of Pharmacy			Fax     (505) 277-6749
The University of New Mexico		Email   jborn@triton.unm.edu
Albuquerque, NM 87131
__________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"elewars@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca" 

There was a request for info on the calc of pKa on the Comp Chem Net about 6-
12 months ago; the results may be in the archives, which you can search.
I have some refs to the calc of pKa, and will be happy to send them to you
if you're interested: M. J. S. Dewaret al used AM1 to calc scidities, i.e.
pKa, in a paper in JACS ca. 1986.  Also, the calc of pKa is described in
*Experiments in Computational Organic Chemistry*, byHehre, Burke,
Shusterman and Pietro, published by Wavefunction, Inc, the company that 
makes the Spartan computational chemistry program.  If you have Spartan,
calculating pKa from electrostatic potentials should be quite easy.  Try
to get hold of Spartan and this book.  If you can't get the book, I 
could send you Xerox copies of the relevant parts.
Good Luck
(Prof) Errol Lewars
elewars@trentu.ca
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"WallyR@netcom.com" 

Please do summarize...I would be interested in seeing it.  Thank you.

Wally

Walter E. Reiher III, Ph.D.                            WallyR@netcom.com
Consultant in Computational Chemistry
P.O. Box 61056                                        voice 408-720-0240
Sunnyvale, CA 94088                                     fax 408-720-0378
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"HMARQUES@AURUM.CHEM.WITS.AC.ZA" 

You may want to try CompuDrug Chemistry Ltd in Budapest.

Their e-mail address is MKTG@cdk-cgx.hu

and the programme they sell is called pKalc.  I've looked at a demo 
version and it seems very useful.

Prof. Helder M. Marques, Department of Chemistry
University of the Witwatersrand, P.O. Wits
2050 Johannesburg,
South Africa
Fax: Int + 27 + 11 + 339-7967
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"butch@sunlc2.chem.uga.edu" 

Peter, 

Our group has been working on a program to calculate ionization pKa's.
Currently the only module we have is a PC-Windows winsock client that
accesses a server in our dept. We have tested the system on ~4000 IUPAC
approved pKa's with an RMS of ~0.36. The program can also calculate all
possible microconstants and generate speciation as a fn of pH curves.
I can 
   1) Send you the testing results and references to the calculator.
   2) If the number of molecules is less than 20-30, I would
      be willing to do the calculations and/or speciation plots
      for you.
   3) Make the winsock client available to you for testing.

Let me know if you are interested.

Butch Carreira
Department of Chemistry                    (706) 542-2050 or 2051
The University of Georgia                  (706) 542-9454 FAX
Athens, GA  30602
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"bowlus@palres.dnet.sandoz.com"

This is a real problem for us, and I would appreciate a summary of any 
replies you get.  My own experience:

_Delta_ pKa can be estimated in the DelPhi module marketed by Biosym, if 
their advertising can be believed.  I haven't experience with this program, 
but the blurbs sent out are reasonably impressive.

We have in the past tried to use a correlation approach, using a number of 
model compounds of known pKa, and calculating and correlating these with 
heats of formation of the acid and anion.  I usually use AM1 for this, but 
the results are at best mixed, and for the most part, I don't consider them 
reliable (these are all gas phase).  We are extending some studies to the 
AMSOL SM2 model, and I am optimistic that this will be more successful.  In 
neither case, however, do I expect an absolute pKa to be obtained, but only 
grist for a correlation.

sb
  Stephen B. Bowlus, Ph.D.                Computer-Aided Molecular Design 
                                          Research Division
  e-mail: bowlus@sandoz.com               Sandoz Agro, Inc.
  Phone:  + 1 415 354 3904                975 California Ave.
  Fax:    + 1 415 857 1125                Palo Alto, CA 94304
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"west@qtp.ufl.edu"

Dear Dr. Bladon,

I am responding to let you know that I am interested in the summary that
you suggested.

Thank You,
John West
west@qtp.ufl.edu
______________________________________________________________________________
From:	MX%"walterse@mis.fuhscms.edu"

Please summarize!  Thanks.

* D. Eric Walters, Ph.D., Associate Professor, Biological Chemistry
* Finch University of Health Sciences/The Chicago Medical School
* 3333 Green Bay Road, North Chicago, IL  60064
* ph 708-578-3000, x-498;fax 708-578-3240; email: walterse@mis.fuhscms.edu
______________________________________________________________________________


From mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu  Mon Jan 30 11:41:11 1995
Received: from gardel.psc.edu  for mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id KAA02044; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:55:53 -0500
Received: by gardel.psc.edu (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO)
	for chemistry@ccl.net id AA01310; Mon, 30 Jan 95 10:55:51 -0500
From: "Marcela Madrid" <mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu>
Message-Id: <9501301055.ZM1308@gardel.psc.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:55:42 -0500
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail)
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Subject: CCL: MM/MD workshop offered at PSC
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0




 "METHODS OF MOLECULAR MECHANICS AND DYNAMICS OF BIOPOLYMERS" WORKSHOP
                    Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
                           August 16-19, 1995


        The Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center (PSC) is hosting a workshop
 on "Methods of Molecular Mechanics and Dynamics of Biopolymers,"
 August 16-19, 1995.
        The workshop will familiarize biomedical researchers with
computational methods and provide practice
in applying supercomputing resources to problems of concern in molecular
mechanics.  Practical experience on our supercomputers will be gained in
the application to:
(1) the theory and practice of molecular mechanics and dynamics;
(2) the development and refinement of molecular mechanics force fields;
(3) the problem of conformation mapping and analysis of polypeptide
structures, including the refinement of structure from measured NMR data;
and
(4) computation of interaction energies and free energies for protein-drug
interactions and conformational thermodynamics.

 Workshop leaders are
 Dr. Charles L. Brooks III, The Scripps Research Institute
and
Dr. Alexander D. MacKerell Jr., University of Maryland at Baltimore.

The worskhop will consist of lectures and extensive hands-on sessions.
General aspects of molecular mechanics software will be discussed and
 a number of packages will are available for use at the PSC.  However,
the programs CHARMM and QUANTA will be utilized most extensively in
demonstrations.  Hands-on sessions will be emphasized.
Participants will be able to work on the examples provided or
on their own experimental data.
No prior supercomputing experience is necessary.

This workshop is funded by a grant from the Biomedical Research Technology
Program, National Center for Research Resources, National Institutes of
Health.  Travel, meals and hotel accommodations for researchers affilated
with U.S. academic institutions are supported by this grant. Enrollment is
limited to 20.  An application form is included.  Deadline for applications
is: June 22, 1995.
Please direct inquires or send the following application form to
blankens@psc.edu.



                             * * * * * * * * * *



			PITTSBURGH SUPERCOMPUTING CENTER

			     BIOMEDICAL  INITIATIVE
		       **************************************
			       August 16-19, 1995

				APPLICATION


Name:________________________________________________________________________

Affiliation:_________________________________________________________________

Address:_____________________________________________________________________
                                  (Business)
_____________________________________________________________________________

____________________________________________________________________________
                                    (Home)
____________________________________________________________________________

Telephone:  ____________________              ______________________
                (Business)                            (Home)

*Social Security Number:  _______-_____-_______    Citizenship: ____________

Electronic Mail Address:____________________________________________________

Status: ___Graduate  ___Post-doctoral Fellow  ___Faculty  ___Other (specify)

Please indicate specifically any special housing, transportation or dietary
arrangements you will need:  _______________________________________________

How did you learn about this workshop? _____________________________________


REQUIREMENTS:

Applicants must submit a completed application form and a cover letter. The
letter should describe, in one or two paragraphs, your current research and
how participating in the workshop will enhance this research.  Please
include a brief statement describing your level of experience with computers.
Faculty members, staff and post-docs should provide a curriculum vita.
Graduate students must have a letter of recommendation from a faculty member.

Please return all application materials by June 22, 1995 to:

          Biomedical Workshop Applications Committee
          Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
          4400 Fifth Avenue, Suite 230C
          Pittsburgh, PA 15213

Direct inquiries to: Nancy Blankenstein, blankens@psc.edu or 412/268-4960.

*Disclosure of Social Security Number is voluntary.

PSC does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, age,
creed, national or ethnic origin, or handicap.






From mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu  Mon Jan 30 12:03:27 1995
Received: from gardel.psc.edu  for mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id KAA01907; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:52:17 -0500
Received: by gardel.psc.edu (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO)
	for chemistry@ccl.net id AA00890; Mon, 30 Jan 95 10:52:11 -0500
From: "Marcela Madrid" <mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu>
Message-Id: <9501301052.ZM888@gardel.psc.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 10:52:01 -0500
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail)
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Subject: CCL: Molecular Mechanics and Dynamics Workshop
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0




 "METHODS OF MOLECULAR MECHANICS AND DYNAMICS OF BIOPOLYMERS" WORKSHOP

                  MOLECULAR MECHANICS AND DYNAMICS WORKSHOP
                    Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
                           August 16-19, 1995


        The Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center (PSC) is hosting a workshop
 on "Methods of Molecular Mechanics and Dynamics of Biopolymers,"
 August 16-19, 1995.
        The workshop will familiarize biomedical researchers with
computational methods and provide practice
in applying supercomputing resources to problems of concern in molecular
mechanics.  Practical experience on our supercomputers will be gained in
the application to:
(1) the theory and practice of molecular mechanics and dynamics;
(2) the development and refinement of molecular mechanics force fields;
(3) the problem of conformation mapping and analysis of polypeptide
structures, including the refinement of structure from measured NMR data;
and
(4) computation of interaction energies and free energies for protein-drug
interactions and conformational thermodynamics.

 Workshop leaders are
 Dr. Charles L. Brooks III, The Scripps Research Institute
and
Dr. Alexander D. MacKerell Jr., University of Maryland at Baltimore.

The worskhop will consist of lectures and extensive hands-on sessions.
General aspects of molecular mechanics software will be discussed and
 a number of packages will are available for use at the PSC.  However,
the programs CHARMM and QUANTA will be utilized most extensively in
demonstrations.  Hands-on sessions will be emphasized.
Participants will be able to work on the examples provided or
on their own experimental data.
No prior supercomputing experience is necessary.

This workshop is funded by a grant from the Biomedical Research Technology
Program, National Center for Research Resources, National Institutes of
Health.  Travel, meals and hotel accommodations for researchers affilated
with U.S. academic institutions are supported by this grant. Enrollment is
limited to 20.  An application form is included.  Deadline for applications
is: June 22, 1995.
Please direct inquires or send the following application form to
blankens@psc.edu.



                             * * * * * * * * * *



			PITTSBURGH SUPERCOMPUTING CENTER

			     BIOMEDICAL  INITIATIVE
		       **************************************
			       August 16-19, 1995

				APPLICATION


Name:________________________________________________________________________

Affiliation:_________________________________________________________________

Address:_____________________________________________________________________
                                  (Business)
_____________________________________________________________________________

____________________________________________________________________________
                                    (Home)
____________________________________________________________________________

Telephone:  ____________________              ______________________
                (Business)                            (Home)

*Social Security Number:  _______-_____-_______    Citizenship: ____________

Electronic Mail Address:____________________________________________________

Status: ___Graduate  ___Post-doctoral Fellow  ___Faculty  ___Other (specify)

Please indicate specifically any special housing, transportation or dietary
arrangements you will need:  _______________________________________________

How did you learn about this workshop? _____________________________________


REQUIREMENTS:

Applicants must submit a completed application form and a cover letter. The
letter should describe, in one or two paragraphs, your current research and
how participating in the workshop will enhance this research.  Please
include a brief statement describing your level of experience with computers.
Faculty members, staff and post-docs should provide a curriculum vita.
Graduate students must have a letter of recommendation from a faculty member.

Please return all application materials by June 22, 1995 to:

          Biomedical Workshop Applications Committee
          Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
          4400 Fifth Avenue, Suite 230C
          Pittsburgh, PA 15213

Direct inquiries to: Nancy Blankenstein, blankens@psc.edu or 412/268-4960.

*Disclosure of Social Security Number is voluntary.

PSC does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, age,
creed, national or ethnic origin, or handicap.






From WORSNOP@chem1.chem.dal.ca  Mon Jan 30 12:41:06 1995
Received: from Snoopy.UCIS.Dal.Ca  for WORSNOP@chem1.chem.dal.ca
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id LAA03128; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:54:40 -0500
Received: from chem1.chem.dal.ca (CHEM1.Chem.Dal.Ca [129.173.17.47]) by Snoopy.UCIS.Dal.Ca (8.6.9/8.6.6) with SMTP id MAA21673 for <chemistry@ccl.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:53:44 -0400
Received: from CHEM1/MERCURYQUEUE by chem1.chem.dal.ca (Mercury 1.13);
    Mon, 30 Jan 95 12:53:45 -0400
Received: from MERCURYQUEUE by CHEM1 (Mercury 1.13); Mon, 30 Jan 95 12:53:33 -0400
From: "S. Kent Worsnop" <WORSNOP@chem1.chem.dal.ca>
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Date:          Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:53:29 AST
Subject:       CCL:Installation of RPAC
Priority: normal
X-mailer:     Pegasus Mail v3.1 (R1)
Message-ID: <6AD0CCD5BA1@chem1.chem.dal.ca>



  Hello Netters,
  
  My group is trying to install the newest version of RPAC on a 
RS6000 machine running AIX.  However we are having problems with 
getting it up and running.  We would appreciate any help other with 
this installation by those who are knowledgable of this program.  

All answers can be sent to worsnop@chem1.chem.dal.ca

Thank You,
Kent Worsnop
Dept. of Chemistry
Dalhousie University

From adrian@silver.chem.nwu.edu  Mon Jan 30 12:48:09 1995
Received: from silver.chem.nwu.edu  for adrian@silver.chem.nwu.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id MAA03872; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:16:03 -0500
Received: by silver.chem.nwu.edu (921113.SGI.UNSUPPORTED_PROTOTYPE/921111.SGI.jml)
	for chemistry@ccl.net id AA04113; Mon, 30 Jan 95 11:16:02 -0600
From: adrian@silver.chem.nwu.edu (Adrian Roitberg)
Message-Id: <9501301716.AA04113@silver.chem.nwu.edu>
Subject: Midwest Theoretical Chemistry Coference, First Announcement
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 11:16:02 CST
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.3 PL9]


                            First Announcement

               28th Midwest Theoretical Chemistry Conference

                          Northwestern University
                               Evanston, IL

                              May 11-13, 1995


This year the Midwest Theoretical Chemistry Conference will be
held in conjunction with a special symposium in honor of the
appointment of John Pople to Trustees Professor at Northwestern
University, Evanston Il on May 11-13, 1995.  The Pople Symposium
will be held on May 11, and will include the following invited
speakers: R. Bartlett, N. Handy, M. Newton, M. Gordon, M. Head-
Gordon, R. Parr as well as Pople himself.  The Midwest
Theoretical Chemistry conference will then follow its usual
format of poster and oral sessions on May 12 and 13.

A second announcement will be sent out in March, with
instructions for abstracts, registration and housing.  Contact
Adrian Roitberg (mwtcc@chem.nwu.edu) if you like to be added to
the conference mailing list.  (Those who attended either of the
last two meetings will automatically be included on the list.) 
Further questions concerning this conference may be directed to
George Schatz(708-491-5657) or Mark Ratner(708-491-5652).  We are
looking forward to seeing you in Evanston this May.


Mark Ratner
George Schatz




                            Adrian E. Roitberg
=============================================================================
      Dept. of Chemistry              |       Phone: (708) 491-3423 
   Northwestern University            |        Fax : (708) 491-7713
2145 Sheridan Road. Evanston, IL      |E-mail:adrian@chem.nwu.edu 
          60208-3113                  |
=============================================================================



From mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu  Mon Jan 30 12:59:35 1995
Received: from gardel.psc.edu  for mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id MAA03323; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:04:42 -0500
Received: by gardel.psc.edu (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO)
	for chemistry@ccl.net id AA02065; Mon, 30 Jan 95 12:04:40 -0500
From: "Marcela Madrid" <mmadrid@gardel.psc.edu>
Message-Id: <9501301204.ZM2063@gardel.psc.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 12:04:31 -0500
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail)
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Subject: CCL: NMR workshop offered at PSC
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0






                  STRUCTURE DETERMINATION FROM NMR
                    Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
                           June 25-28, 1995


Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center (PSC) is offering biomedical researchers a
"Structure Determination From NMR" Workshop.  The objective is to introduce
participants to the different techniques for the elucidation of solution
structures of biological macromolecules from nuclear magnetic resonance data.
The workshop is free to academic participants.


The worskhop will consist of lectures and extensive hands-on sessions.
The programs AMBER, Mardigras and MidasPlus will be discussed.  Hands-on
sessions will be emphasized.
Participants will be able to work on the examples
provided or on their own experimental data.
No prior supercomputing experience is necessary.

Workshop leaders are: Dr. David Case, The Scripps Research Institute; and
Drs Thomas James, Julie Newdoll and Uli Schmitz,
University of California, San Francisco.

This workshop is funded by a grant from the Biomedical Research Technology
Program, National Center for Research Resources, National Institutes of
Health.  Travel, meals and hotel accommodations for researchers affilated
with U.S. academic institutions are supported by this grant. Enrollment is
limited to 20.  An application form is included.  Deadline for applications
is: April 28, 1995.




                             * * * * * * * * * *



			PITTSBURGH SUPERCOMPUTING CENTER

			     BIOMEDICAL  INITIATIVE
		       STRUCTURE DETERMINATION USING NMR
				June 25-28, 1995

				APPLICATION


Name:________________________________________________________________________

Affiliation:_________________________________________________________________

Address:_____________________________________________________________________
                                  (Business)
_____________________________________________________________________________

____________________________________________________________________________
                                    (Home)
____________________________________________________________________________

Telephone:  ____________________              ______________________
                (Business)                            (Home)

*Social Security Number:  _______-_____-_______    Citizenship: ____________

Electronic Mail Address:____________________________________________________

Status: ___Graduate  ___Post-doctoral Fellow  ___Faculty  ___Other (specify)

Please indicate specifically any special housing, transportation or dietary
arrangements you will need:  _______________________________________________

How did you learn about this workshop? _____________________________________


REQUIREMENTS:

Applicants must submit a completed application form and a cover letter. The
letter should describe, in one or two paragraphs, your current research and
how participating in the workshop will enhance this research.  Please
include a brief statement describing your level of experience with computers.
Faculty members, staff and post-docs should provide a curriculum vita.
Graduate students must have a letter of recommendation from a faculty member.

Please return all application materials by APRIL 28, 1995 to:

          Biomedical Workshop Applications Committee
          Pittsburgh Supercomputing Center
          4400 Fifth Avenue, Suite 230C
          Pittsburgh, PA 15213

Direct inquiries to: Nancy Blankenstein, blankens@psc.edu or 412/268-4960.

*Disclosure of Social Security Number is voluntary.

PSC does not discriminate on the basis of race, color, religion, sex, age,
creed, national or ethnic origin, or handicap.




From h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk  Mon Jan 30 13:41:15 1995
Received: from romeo.ic.ac.uk  for h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id NAA04984; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 13:22:13 -0500
Received: from cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk (actually sg1.cc.ic.ac.uk) by romeo.ic.ac.uk 
          with SMTP (PP); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:21:50 +0000
Received: from macb.ch by cscmgb.cc.ic.ac.uk (931110.SGI/4.0) id AA07646;
          Mon, 30 Jan 95 18:21:39 GMT
X-Sender: rzepa@155.198.63.8
Message-Id: <ab52dc830f0210046709@[155.198.224.12]>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 18:21:50 +0000
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
From: h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk (Rzepa,Henry)
Subject: Refereeing Presentational Quality in WWW pages


Oscar N. Ventura writes,

> Then, I agree that some discussion about independent refereeing is
>healthy. But, I think, we are not yet at the point of agreeing on what
>are the external parameters to be used in assessing quality.

Everyone is learning the answer to this one. I should point out
that the collected proceedings of the Electronic Computational
Chemistry Conference, after due refereeing of purely the
scientific content, will be recognised by Chemical Abstracts.
I might also point out that the referee's comments on
our own paper to this conference also related in part
 to the "presentation", offering helpful suggestions
for improvements which we were happy to act upon.
I think therefore that the first signs are there.

Dr Henry Rzepa, Department of Chemistry, Imperial College, LONDON SW7 2AY;
rzepa@ic.ac.uk via Eudora 2.1.1, Tel  (44) 171 594 5774 or 594 5809.
Fax: (44) 171 594 5804. World-Wide-Web URL:
http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa.html        




From toni@athe.wustl.edu  Mon Jan 30 13:45:13 1995
Received: from wugate.wustl.edu  for toni@athe.wustl.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id NAA05498; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 13:45:13 -0500
Received: by wugate.wustl.edu (5.67b/WUSTL-0.3) with SMTP 
	id AA17346; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:50:11 -0600
Received: by athe.WUStL.EDU (8.6.9/SMI-SVR4)
	id LAA16177; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:50:09 -0600
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 11:50:09 -0600
From: toni@athe.wustl.edu (Toni Kazic)
Message-Id: <199501301750.LAA16177@athe.WUStL.EDU>
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
In-Reply-To: <ab5256a901021004f490@[155.198.224.12]> (h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk)
Subject: Re: CCL:WWW Oversight


Netters,

I'd like to reiterate that open, do-it-yourself  expression on the Web and
refeered databases are ***not*** binary choices.  Both are appropriate for
different types of information, and the Web is already a mix of such data
(you just don't see the quality control mechanisms for databases like
GenBank or PIR, but they're there).

Henry Rzepa properly points out that the global infrastructure for URNs is
expensive and therefore probably distant.  But I think it would benefit all
of us to tinker with some of the issues ---- including what we want
refeered and the mechanics of distributed databases ---- in advance.  I was
heartened by Steve Bachrach's and others' offers to get some form of this
ball rolling.  The hard issues are less technical, and more sociological
--- what do we want reviewed, how do we do it.  Quality control and sifting
through the Web are different issues technically, though to a user they
often collude.


Toni Kazic
Institute for Biomedical Computing
Washington University

From thep@risc1.lrm.fi.cnr.it  Mon Jan 30 15:41:17 1995
Received: from risc1.lrm.fi.cnr.it  for thep@risc1.lrm.fi.cnr.it
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id PAA08003; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:36:21 -0500
Received: by risc1.lrm.fi.cnr.it (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03)
          id AA23807; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 21:31:00 +0100
From: thep@risc1.lrm.fi.cnr.it (Pornthep Sompornpisut)
Message-Id: <9501302031.AA23807@risc1.lrm.fi.cnr.it>
Subject: ps2hp or gif2hp
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 21:31:00 +0100 (NFT)
X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23]
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Content-Length: 169       



Hello 

Does anybody know of any program that can convert the postscript/gif format 
into the hp format.

Any reponse will be appreciate.

Thanks in advance

Pornthep


From ANTHONY@admis.med.usf.edu  Mon Jan 30 15:58:45 1995
Received: from pharm1.pharm.med.usf.edu  for ANTHONY@admis.med.usf.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id PAA07989; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:35:05 -0500
Received: from admis.med.usf.edu ([131.247.70.101]) by pharm1.pharm.med.usf.edu (8.6.5/8.6.5) with SMTP id PAA21911 for <Chemistry@ccl.net>; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:35:03 -0500
Received: from COM_ADM/MERCURY-MAIL by admis.med.usf.edu (Mercury 1.1);
    Mon, 30 Jan 95 15:39:12 +1100
To: Chemistry@ccl.net
From: "Anthony Lemus"  <ANTHONY@admis.med.usf.edu>
Organization: USF College of Medicine
Date:         30 Jan 95 15:38:43 EST
Subject:      Graduate Programs
X-pmrqc:      1
Priority: normal
X-mailer:     Pegasus Mail v2.3 (R5).
Message-ID: <65F5E027DB6@admis.med.usf.edu>


I would appreciate Email pointing me to schools in the US
with Ph.D. programs in compuataional chemistry.

thanks,


______________________________________________________________________

Anthony Lemus                       (813) 974-3427
-Systems Analyst
University of South Florida         Anthony@admis.med.usf.edu
College of Medicine
______________________________________________________________________

From ryszard@msi.com  Mon Jan 30 16:02:30 1995
Received: from msi.com  for ryszard@msi.com
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id PAA07275; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:01:32 -0500
Received: from aga.msi.com by msi.com (4.1/SMI-4.1)
	id AA27383; Mon, 30 Jan 95 15:03:00 EST
Received: by aga.msi.com (5.65/DEC-OSF/1-29Feb92);
	id AA01018; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:02:50 -0500
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:02:50 -0500
From: ryszard@msi.com (Ryszard Czerminski X 217)
Message-Id: <9501302002.AA01018@aga.msi.com>
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net, toni@athe.wustl.edu
Subject: Re:  CCL:WWW Oversight


As a side commentary to ongoing discussion
about chemistry, WWW, homepages ratings,
censorship, etc...
let me point those of you who will find time
to an article by John Perry Barlow
----------------------------------------------------------
John Perry Barlow (barlow@eff.org) is a retired cattle
rancher, a lyricist for the Grateful Dead, and co-founder
and executive chair of the Electronic Frontier Foundation.
----------------------------------------------------------
in magazine "WIRED", March 1994. The title
is "The Economy of Ideas", subtitle
"A framework for rethinking patents and copyrights
in the Digital Age (Everything you know about intellectual
property is WRONG)"

To give you a feel what it is all about I list here
few chapter titles.

I.   Information is an activity

II.  Information is a life form

     Information wants to be free
     Information replicates into the cracs of possibility
     Information wants to change

III. Information is a relationship

     Exclusivity has value
     Point of view and authority have value

etc...

It is worth reading.

Ryszard Czerminski
+------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Molecular Simulations Incorporated | phone : (617)229-8875 x 217 |
| 16 New England Executive Park,     | fax   : (617)229-9899       |
| Burlington, MA 01803-5297          | e-mail: ryszard@msi.com     |
+------------------------------------------------------------------+

From pbays@saintmarys.edu  Mon Jan 30 16:41:09 1995
Received: from jade.saintmarys.edu  for pbays@saintmarys.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id PAA08143; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:41:57 -0500
Received: by jade.saintmarys.edu
	(1.37.109.11/16.2) id AA101358865; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:47:45 -0500
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 15:47:45 -0500 (EST)
From: Phil Bays <pbays@saintmarys.edu>
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Subject: gcc on SGI R8000
In-Reply-To: <6AD0CCD5BA1@chem1.chem.dal.ca>
Message-Id: <Pine.HPP.3.91.950130154442.28631C-100000@jade.saintmarys.edu>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII


I am looing for someone who has built gcc on a SGI R8000 machine (Power 
indigo^2) using Irix 6.0.1.  If you have done so, please send me a note.  
I am interested in getting the object file.

Phil Bays
Saint Marys College
Notre Dame   IN  46556
pbays@chem.saintmarys.edu


From tps@iris27.biosym.com  Mon Jan 30 16:44:49 1995
Received: from bioc1.biosym.com  for tps@iris27.biosym.com
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id QAA08979; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 16:37:35 -0500
Received: from iris27.biosym.com by bioc1.biosym.com (5.64/0.0)
	id AA03925; Mon, 30 Jan 95 13:37:47 -0800
Received: by iris27.biosym.com (931110.SGI/930416.SGI)
	for @bioc1.biosym.com:chemistry@ccl.net id AA13126; Mon, 30 Jan 95 13:36:02 -0800
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 95 13:36:02 -0800
From: tps@iris27.biosym.com (Tom Stockfisch)
Message-Id: <9501302136.AA13126@iris27.biosym.com>
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Subject: Re: Terminology



> METMOD A
> All of the geometrical parameters (bond lenghts, angles, distances and
> torsions) are calculated....
> METMOD B.
> The diferences are presented in RMS and/or AVERAGE fitting error.

>        I tried to create simple names for these methods. Here comes my
> version. Please send me a note, if you know better, than mine.
>        METMOD A is the Parametric Method
>        METMOD B is the Molecular Method

If you named these "internals metric" and "cartesian metric" I think most
people would guess correctly what you are doing even if they never read
your definition.
--
Tom Stockfisch, BIOSYM Technologies	tps@biosym.com


From michael@bch48.bch.ncsu.edu  Mon Jan 30 18:41:09 1995
Received: from bch48.bch.ncsu.edu  for michael@bch48.bch.ncsu.edu
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id RAA10537; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:54:24 -0500
Received: by bch48.bch.ncsu.edu (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO)
	for CHEMISTRY@ccl.net id AA07081; Mon, 30 Jan 95 17:54:40 -0500
From: "Michael R Rothwell" <michael@bch48.bch.ncsu.edu>
Message-Id: <9501301754.ZM7079@bch48.bch.ncsu.edu>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:54:33 -0500
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail)
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
Subject: How about a "Democratic" Chemistry WWW site...
Cc: michael@bch48.bch.ncsu.edu
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0


It would not be too difficult to set up a WWW site here (at NCSU). My idea for i
is:

It will keep track of the number of accesses each link gets. It would then, for
the Web Page, rank the links according to popularity, most popular first.

New links would come in at the highest rank, and then slip downward (or perhaps
not) as people evaluate them.

Anyone could add a link.

Links which stay at the bottom of the list for more than a certain length of
time would get deleted (taking out the garbage, so to speak).

The links would be divided into several sections, such as

"Software"
"computational Chemistry"
"Biochemistry"

or whatever.

What do you think?




From MARTIN@cmda.abbott.com  Mon Jan 30 18:45:56 1995
Received: from abtlabs.abbott.com  for MARTIN@cmda.abbott.com
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id RAA10502; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:52:55 -0500
Received: from randb.pprd.abbott.com (randb.abbott.com) by abtlabs.abbott.com with SMTP id AA05162
  (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for <chemistry@ccl.net>); Mon, 30 Jan 1995 16:49:58 -0600
Received: from DECNET-MAIL (MARTIN@CMDA)
 by RANDB.PPRD.Abbott.Com (PMDF V4.3-13 #5551)
 id <01HMGQJ65I2O8YV9EK@RANDB.PPRD.Abbott.Com>; Mon,
 30 Jan 1995 16:52:50 -0600 (CST)
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 16:52:50 -0600 (CST)
From: MARTIN%CMDA <MARTIN@cmda.abbott.com>
Subject: Symposium: Computer Evaluation of Synthetic Feasibility
To: chemistry@ccl.net
Message-Id: <01HMGQJ66UAQ8YV9EK@RANDB.PPRD.Abbott.Com>
X-Vms-To: RANDB::IN%"chemistry@ccl.net"
X-Vms-Cc: MARTIN
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT


Call for contributions:


Symposium: Computer Evaluation of Synthetic Feasibility
ACS Division of Computers in Chemistry
Aug. 20-24, 1995 Chicago, IL


There has been an explosive rise in the number of 3D
structures of biomacromolecules and in the number of computer
programs that design molecules that bind to a macromolecule
of known 3D structure. These accomplishments highlight a new
challenge: how to distinguish, in the multitude of designed
compounds, those that are relatively easy to synthesize.

This symposium will feature the different strategies taken to
attack this problem. It is hoped that it will not only inform
others of the state-of-the-art but also stimulate other work
on the problem.

Invited speakers:

o     Johann Gasteiger, Universitat Erlangen-Nurnberg
o     Stephen Hanessian, University of Montreal
o     Peter Johnson, University of Leeds

Do you have a contributed paper to offer?

Can you suggest someone who might?

The deadline for abstracts is April 15, however I would like to hear from potential speakers before then.

Yvonne C. Martin
Computer Assisted Molecular Design
D-47E, AP10 2fl
Abbott Laboratories
100 Abbott Park Rd.
Abbott Park, IL 60064

martiny@abbott.com
FAX: 708 937 2625

From bkarlak@ren.onyx-pharm.com  Mon Jan 30 20:41:05 1995
Received: from iserver.onyx-pharm.com  for bkarlak@ren.onyx-pharm.com
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id TAA11615; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 19:47:05 -0500
Received: from ren.onyx-pharm.com by iserver.onyx-pharm.com (5.67/1.37)
	id AA08615; Mon, 30 Jan 95 16:47:02 -0800
Received: by ren.onyx-pharm.com (931110.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO)
	for @iserver.onyx-pharm.com:CHEMISTRY@ccl.net id AA07054; Mon, 30 Jan 95 16:47:00 -0800
From: "Brian Karlak" <bkarlak@ren.onyx-pharm.com>
Message-Id: <9501301646.ZM7052@ren.onyx-pharm.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 16:46:58 -0800
In-Reply-To: "Michael R Rothwell" <michael@bch48.bch.ncsu.edu>
        "CCL:How about a "Democratic" Chemistry WWW site..." (Jan 30,  5:54pm)
References: <9501301754.ZM7079@bch48.bch.ncsu.edu>
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail)
To: "Michael R Rothwell" <michael@bch48.bch.ncsu.edu>, CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
Subject: Re: CCL:How about a "Democratic" Chemistry WWW site...
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0


On Jan 30,  5:54pm, Michael R Rothwell wrote:
> Subject: CCL:How about a "Democratic" Chemistry WWW site...
> It would not be too difficult to set up a WWW site here (at NCSU). My idea
for i
> is:
>
> It will keep track of the number of accesses each link gets. It would then,
> the Web Page, rank the links according to popularity, most popular first.
>
> New links would come in at the highest rank, and then slip downward (or
> not) as people evaluate them.
>
> Anyone could add a link.
>
> Links which stay at the bottom of the list for more than a certain length of
> time would get deleted (taking out the garbage, so to speak).

> What do you think?

An excellent idea.

zenkat

-- 

"Update all information.  Pod into cosmos."

Jeffffff said it.
i believe it.
That settles it.


From bkarlak@ren.onyx-pharm.com  Mon Jan 30 20:46:13 1995
Received: from iserver.onyx-pharm.com  for bkarlak@ren.onyx-pharm.com
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id UAA11854; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 20:26:54 -0500
Received: from ren.onyx-pharm.com by iserver.onyx-pharm.com (5.67/1.37)
	id AA08932; Mon, 30 Jan 95 17:23:25 -0800
Received: by ren.onyx-pharm.com (931110.SGI/921111.SGI.AUTO)
	for @iserver.onyx-pharm.com:pmr1716@ggr.co.uk id AA07332; Mon, 30 Jan 95 17:23:07 -0800
From: "Brian Karlak" <bkarlak@ren.onyx-pharm.com>
Message-Id: <9501301723.ZM7330@ren.onyx-pharm.com>
Date: Mon, 30 Jan 1995 17:23:05 -0800
In-Reply-To: h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk (Rzepa,Henry)
        "CCL:Chemistry symbols in HTML/WWW documents" (Jan 30,  9:50am)
References: <ab5265580402100467d6@[155.198.224.12]>
X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.1.0 22feb94 MediaMail)
To: h.rzepa@ic.ac.uk (Rzepa,Henry), CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
Subject: Re: CCL:Chemistry symbols in HTML/WWW documents
Cc: Ben Whitaker <benw@chemistry.leeds.ac.uk>,
        Murray-Rust Dr P <pmr1716@ggr.co.uk>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Mime-Version: 1.0


On Jan 30,  9:50am, Rzepa,Henry wrote:
> Subject: CCL:Chemistry symbols in HTML/WWW documents
> A major complaint by chemists is that HTML does not support Greek, Maths, et=
> c.
>
> I came across this little gem today;
>   =AC    &#172;      Not sign
>    =B0    &#176;      Degree sign
>    =B1    &#177;      Plus-minus sign

{snip}

> Note that this is how they display on a Macintosh! It is quite probable
> that say the
> pi is not a pi on a PC! Also, I send this message from a Mac. It really
> does show
> pi etc in the left hand column in my e-mail window, but I have no idea what
> it will
> look like by the time you folks get it. Try it with Netscape and the
> URL http://www.csci.csusb.edu/dick/iso8859-1.html

Well, out here in Unix-land (SGI IRIX 5.2 with Z-mail/MediaMail for reading
mail) it comes out like you see it above.

Brian Karlak
Onyx Pharmaceuticals

"MIME?  What's that?  In my day, son, we used ASCII and were happy about it.
 None of this modern newfangled stuff you kids flash around like HTML and WWW
and URL.  Sounds dangerous to me.  What's a matter with FTP and Telnet, eh?
 Spoiled brats, I tell you!"  ;)


-- 

"Update all information.  Pod into cosmos."

Jeffffff said it.
i believe it.
That settles it.


From mspackma@metz.une.edu.au  Mon Jan 30 23:41:10 1995
Received: from metz.une.edu.au  for mspackma@metz.une.edu.au
	by www.ccl.net (8.6.9/930601.1506) id XAA12888; Mon, 30 Jan 1995 23:07:16 -0500
Received: from [129.180.52.150] ([129.180.52.150]) by metz.une.edu.au (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id PAA29735 for <CHEMISTRY@ccl.net>; Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:07:00 +1100
Message-Id: <199501310407.PAA29735@metz.une.edu.au>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Date: Tue, 31 Jan 1995 15:08:34 +0800
To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net
From: mspackma@metz.une.edu.au (Mark Spackman)
Subject: Fax/e-mail address for J Comp Chem


Does anyone out there have a Fax number or e-mail address for the Journal
of Computational Chemistry?  I know it sounds bizarre, especially for a
journal with that title, but I can't find either anywhere in the journal,
and wish to contact one of the editors (Dr N Allinger) without waiting
several weeks for the snail-mail turnaround from downunder.

cheers
Mark

========================================================================
Dr Mark Spackman                  _/     _/   _/     _/   _/_/_/_/
Department of Chemistry          _/     _/   _/_/   _/   _/
University of New England       _/     _/   _/  _/ _/   _/_/_/_/
Armidale, NSW 2351             _/     _/   _/   _/_/   _/
AUSTRALIA                       _/__/     _/     _/   _/_/_/_/

TEL: +61 67 732722  FAX: +61 67 711563  E-mail: mspackma@metz.une.edu.au




