From jens@EROS.CCC.Uni-Erlangen.DE Fri Mar 3 03:09:14 1995 Received: from enar.organik.uni-erlangen.de for jens@EROS.CCC.Uni-Erlangen.DE by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id CAA04095; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 02:45:21 -0500 Received: from kochab.erosnet (kochab.organik.uni-erlangen.de) by enar.organik.uni-erlangen.de with SMTP id AA18256 for CHEMISTRY@ccl.net (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4/bs-02); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:41:33 +0100 Received: by kochab.erosnet (5.x/SMI-4.1/client) id AA14074; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:41:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 08:41:31 +0100 From: Jens.Sadowski@EROS.CCC.Uni-Erlangen.DE Message-Id: <9503030741.AA14074@kochab.erosnet> To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net Subject: NCI 3D Database Cc: jens@EROS.CCC.Uni-Erlangen.DE X-Sun-Charset: US-ASCII The open NCI database is now available with Corina-generated 3D-coordinates. Recently, NCI made the 125,000 connection tables of the open part of the NCI structural database freely available. We have built 3D-models from the connection tables using our 3D-structure generator Corina. NCI kindly allowed us to make these data available from the same server where the original database can be downloaded from. The file is available as an MDL SDFile via anonymous ftp: ftp helix.nih.gov. login: anonymous password: cd ncidata/3D In this directory are two files: an nciopen3d.readme file and the UNIX compressed data file nciopen3d.mol.Z (~34 MByte). I enclose a short description of the 3D-generation procedure. If you have any questions or problems please contact me. Jens Sadowski ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ | Dr. Jens Sadowski | | | | Computer-Chemie-Centrum Tel.: +49 (0)9131 85-6569 | | Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg FAX: +49 (0)9131 85-6566 | | Naegelsbachstrasse 25 Email: Sadowski@EROS.CCC.Uni-Erlangen.DE | | D-91052 Erlangen, Germany | ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ --- Begin included message --------------------------------------------------- The coordinates were generated by the 3D-structure generation program Corina. Lacking stereodescriptors were added by the program in order to fulfil simple geometric requirements, i.e., there is no guarantee for finding the stereoisomer with lowest energy. Statistics of the Corina run: Corina version 1.5 (December 1994) Platform: Silicon Graphics Indigo 2 running IRIX 5.2 CPU time: 33650 sec - 0.27 sec/mol Structures read: 126705 compounds - 100.0% Structures converted: 126089 compounds - 99.5% Structures excluded due to atoms having more than six neighbors: 327 compounds - 0.3% Structures not converted due to internal problems: 289 compounds - 0.2% References on Corina: (1) Sadowski, J.; Gasteiger, J. "From Atoms and Bonds to Three- Dimensional Molecular Models: Automatic Model Builders." Chem. Rev. 1993, 93, 2567-2581. (2) Sadowski, J.; Gasteiger, J.; Klebe, G. "Comparison of Automatic Three-Dimensional Model Builders Using 639 X-Ray Structures." J. Chem. Inf. Comput. Sci. 1994, 34, 1000-1008. Information: Prof. Dr. Johann Gasteiger and Dr. Jens Sadowski Computer-Chemie-Centrum Universitaet Erlangen-Nuernberg Naegelsbachstrasse 25 D-91052 Erlangen Germany email: Gasteiger@EROS.CCC.Uni-Erlangen.DE Sadowski@EROS.CCC.Uni-Erlangen.DE FAX: +49 9131/85-6566 From thys@schs.uia.ac.be Fri Mar 3 04:09:16 1995 Received: from sch2.uia.ac.be for thys@schs.uia.ac.be by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id DAA04348; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 03:29:54 -0500 Received: by sch2.uia.ac.be (8.6.10/Ultrix3.0-C) id JAA11952; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:27:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:27:40 +0100 (MET) From: Gerd Thys X-Sender: thys@sch2.uia.ac.be To: CCL Subject: Looking for SHOWMOLE Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear all, I'm looking for the program SHOWMOLE, a molecular graphics-program. I think it's developed at a German university (university of Bayreuth???). Best regards, Gerd PS: Support CCL... Send a letter NOW! ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gerd Thys Ph.D. Student Structural Chemistry Group University of Antwerp (UIA) Universiteitsplein 1 E-mail: thys@uia.ua.ac.be B-2610 wilrijk URL: http://www.uia.ac.be/u/thys/index.html BELGIUM ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From noy@tci002.uibk.ac.at Fri Mar 3 07:09:12 1995 Received: from uibk.ac.at for noy@tci002.uibk.ac.at by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id GAA05804; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 06:31:02 -0500 Received: from tci002.uibk.ac.at by uibk.ac.at with SMTP id AA07341 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:30:48 +0100 Received: by tci002.uibk.ac.at (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/CFIBK-2e.AIX) id AA39175; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:30:46 +0100 From: noy@tci002.uibk.ac.at (Teerakiat Kerdcharoen) Message-Id: <9503031130.AA39175@tci002.uibk.ac.at> Subject: Support for CCL To: chemistry@ccl.net Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:30:46 +0100 (NFT) In-Reply-To: <199503021422.JAA02112@bizet.CERCA.UMontreal.CA> from "leboeuf@CERCA.UMontreal.CA" at Mar 2, 95 09:22:18 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 330 : Dear CCLers, : : I am also very disappointed in all of you. If you like : the CCL, and if you think it is useful, then you must : have time to write a letter to Jan. Perhaps, this is not time to punish anybody. If we want the list to continue, just simply send supporting letter to Dr. Jan. take care, Noy From darryl@om3.ch.umist.ac.uk Fri Mar 3 07:18:15 1995 Received: from nessie.mcc.ac.uk for darryl@om3.ch.umist.ac.uk by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id GAA05813; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 06:33:27 -0500 Received: from om3.ch.umist.ac.uk (actually trigger.ch.umist.ac.uk) by nessie.mcc.ac.uk with SMTP (PP); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:32:52 +0000 Received: by om3.ch.umist.ac.uk (940406.SGI/) for chemistry%ccl.net@nessie.mcc.ac.uk id AA04699; Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:45:19 GMT Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 11:45:13 +0000 (GMT) From: Darryl Ellson Subject: HFCCs from Spin Data To: chemistry@ccl.net Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear All, I am looking for a method of deriving the hyperfine coupling constants directly from geometric and spin data, without using the McConnel-Strathdee & associated equations. Many Thanks. D.A.Ellson. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Darryl A. Ellson - Dept. Chemistry, UMIST, Manchester. M60 1QD Molecular Simulation & Design Laboratory Tel: 061-236-3311 x4476 Fax: 061-236-7677 E-mail: darryl@trigger.ch.umist.ac.uk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ From ferenc@rchsg8.chemie.uni-regensburg.de Fri Mar 3 07:22:20 1995 Received: from comsun.rz.uni-regensburg.de for ferenc@rchsg8.chemie.uni-regensburg.de by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id GAA05688; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 06:10:44 -0500 Received: from rchsg8.chemie.uni-regensburg.de by comsun.rz.uni-regensburg.de with SMTP id AA05903 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for ); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:09:36 +0100 Received: by rchsg8.chemie.uni-regensburg.de (931110.SGI/URRZ-Sub-1.5-irix) (for CHEMISTRY@ccl.net) id AA06386; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:06:55 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:06:55 +0100 From: Ferenc.Molnar@chemie.uni-regensburg.de (Ferenc Molnar) Message-Id: <9503031106.AA06386@rchsg8.chemie.uni-regensburg.de> To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net Subject: support CCL Dear Co-netters from Germany, it was very sad to see, that from at least 140 subsribers from germany only 4 (in words: four) took their chance to support the CCL. I think you should really reconsider this matter, because you will miss this valuable source of information when it is gone! Please support Jan, that he gets the funding he needs, and try to improve our ".de" statistics from now 3% to let's say more than 50%. A majority vote! Sincerely yours, Ferenc Ferenc Molnar --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Institut fuer Physikalische und Theoretische Chemie - Lehrstuhl Prof. Dick - Tel.: (+49) 941 943-4466 /-4486 Universitaet Regensburg Fax.: (+49) 941 943-4488 Universitaetsstrasse 31 D-93053 Regensburg Deutschland / Germany --------------------------------------------------------------------------- EMail (SMTP): Ferenc.Molnar@chemie.uni-regensburg.de --------------------------------------------------------------------------- :-) ...THE PHYSICISTS HAVE MADE THEIR UNIVERSE, AND IF YOU DO NOT LIKE IT, YOU MUST MAKE YOUR OWN. -- E. R. HARRISON IN "COSMOLOGY" (1980) --------------------------------------------------------------------------- From siroiss@CERCA.UMontreal.CA Fri Mar 3 10:09:34 1995 Received: from condor.CC.UMontreal.CA for siroiss@CERCA.UMontreal.CA by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id JAA07989; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:30:24 -0500 From: Received: from balzac.CERCA.UMontreal.CA by condor.CC.UMontreal.CA with SMTP id AA15189 (5.65c/IDA-1.4.4 for CHEMISTRY@ccl.net); Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:28:27 -0500 Received: from racine.CERCA.UMontreal.CA by balzac.CERCA.UMontreal.CA (8.6.9/5.17) id JAA04958; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:27:33 -0500 Received: by racine.CERCA.UMontreal.CA (8.6.9/5.17) id JAA05838; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:27:32 -0500 Message-Id: <199503031427.JAA05838@racine.CERCA.UMontreal.CA> Subject: Support vs Internet To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 09:27:31 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 952 ****************************************************************** Spoil child realizes only how important it was when he loose what he had. P.S. Please I don't want to be force to become a "crack" of the Internet. SEND A LETTER - SUPPORT JAN !!! ************************************************* * Suzanne Sirois * * Office 1) CERCA * * Theoretical Chemistry Groups * * Department of Chemistry * * University of Montreal * * P.O. 6128, Branch A * * Montreal, Quebec H3C 3J7 * * Canada * * * * tel: (514) 369-5228 * * e-mail: siroiss@pellan.cerca.umontreal.ca * * fax: (514) 343-7586 * ************************************************* From lings@bcserv.wustl.edu Fri Mar 3 14:09:26 1995 Received: from bcserv.wustl.edu for lings@bcserv.wustl.edu by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id NAA15582; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 13:45:39 -0500 Received: by bcserv.wustl.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA20059; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:52:47 CST From: lings@bcserv.wustl.edu (S. Frank Ling) Message-Id: <9503031852.AA20059@bcserv.wustl.edu> Subject: Re: CCL:support CCL To: Ferenc.Molnar@chemie.uni-regensburg.de (Ferenc Molnar) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:52:21 -0600 (CST) Cc: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net In-Reply-To: <9503031106.AA06386@rchsg8.chemie.uni-regensburg.de> from "Ferenc Molnar" at Mar 3, 95 12:06:55 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4beta PL12] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 176 Although I did send in my letter, may I suggest "form" letters for more people to sign? :-) Or do people feel strongly about their individualism to write their own? SF Ling From itsigeln@chem.UCSD.EDU Fri Mar 3 16:09:32 1995 Received: from ucsd.edu for itsigeln@chem.UCSD.EDU by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id PAA18421; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:48:21 -0500 Received: from chem.chem.ucsd.edu by ucsd.edu; id MAA19807 sendmail 8.6.10/UCSD-2.2-sun via SMTP Fri, 3 Mar 1995 12:48:15 -0800 for Received: by chem.chem.ucsd.edu (5.51) id AA29182; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:46:49 PST Received: by chemod0.ucsd.edu (931110.SGI) id AA26666; Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:49:34 -0800 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 12:49:34 -0800 From: itsigeln@chem.UCSD.EDU (Igor Tsigelny) Message-Id: <9503032049.AA26666@chemod0.ucsd.edu> To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net Subject: support I strongly support this group. It is a valuable source of information. The friendly style of communications is wonderful. ------------------------------------------------ IGOR TSIGELNY Ph.D. itsigeln@ucsd.edu From mrigank@imtech.ernet.in Fri Mar 3 16:16:28 1995 Received: from sangam.ncst.ernet.in for mrigank@imtech.ernet.in by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id QAA18721; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:06:15 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by sangam.ncst.ernet.in (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id CAA08289 for chemistry@ccl.net; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 02:00:08 +0530 Received: from imtech.UUCP by doe.ernet.in (4.1/SMI-4.1-MHS-7.0) id AA09154; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:58:53+050 Message-Id: <9503032058.AA09154@doe.ernet.in> Received: by imtech.ernet.in (DECUS UUCP w/Smail); Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:36:26 +0530 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 11:36:26 +0530 From: Mrigank To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: RE: CCL:Monte carlo X-Vms-Mail-To: UUCP%"JeanLuc.Verschelde@rug.ac.be" ==>Hi all, ==> ==> I want to use advanced Monte Carlo to explore protein spaces. ==> Can someone give me references of the newest methods to ==> sample more efficiently or smarter. ==> ==> Thanks, ==> ==> Jean-Luc ==> I guess BOSS from W.L. Jorgensen lab will solve your problem. he can be reached at Dept. of chemistry, Yale university New Haven, Connecticut 06511 USA email: bill@doctor.chem.yale.edu If you get anything 'smarter' pls. let me know as well. Mrigank ---- /Mrigank \/ Phone +91 172 690557 \ \Institute of Microbial Technology /\ Email: mrigank@imtech.ernet.in / /Sector 39A, \/ FAX: +91 172 690585 \ \Chandigarh 160 014 India. /\ / \//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\// -- When I feed the poor, they call me saint. When I ask why the poors do not have food, they call me communist - Archbishop Camaran From mrigank@imtech.ernet.in Fri Mar 3 16:20:55 1995 Received: from sangam.ncst.ernet.in for mrigank@imtech.ernet.in by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id QAA18749; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 16:08:11 -0500 Received: (from root@localhost) by sangam.ncst.ernet.in (8.6.8.1/8.6.6) with UUCP id CAA08298 for chemistry@ccl.net; Sat, 4 Mar 1995 02:00:31 +0530 Received: from imtech.UUCP by doe.ernet.in (4.1/SMI-4.1-MHS-7.0) id AA09224; Sat, 4 Mar 95 01:59:11+050 Message-Id: <9503032059.AA09224@doe.ernet.in> Received: by imtech.ernet.in (DECUS UUCP w/Smail); Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:16:34 +0530 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 95 16:16:34 +0530 From: Mrigank To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: Digital machines and Company: disgust and despair .... Hi! Sorry folks for wasting the band width, but i am pretty desperate now. There seem to be little option for me. I am writting this totally disgusted with Digital Equipment(India) ltd. We have ordered a few w/s from digital. They sell for, whatever reasons, through Value Added Resellers. We have problem right from that point. the solution sought and promised and what we get are different. The repeated reminders to either of them have helped anly getting ocaisonal assurances (obviously false ones). What i am addressing here is is this is how Digital behaves generally or Digital Indial is different ? This might help us in deciding for future purchase and advicing others [ I am advising a few other molecular labs on their purcahses]. I am putting it here as many of you must have delt with such companies. I am enclosing a letter i wrote to VP DEIL. If someone out there has any solution pls. oblige. Mrigank ______________________________________________________________________________ Mr. Bhaskar Parmanik, Vice President Dated : December 28, 1994 Digital Equipment (India) Ltd. Digital Park Suburb II Stage Yeswantpur, Banglore 22. Dear Mr. Parmanik, This is in regard to our purchase of Digital Alpha Workstations. The whole order was processed through Digital's Value Added Resellers APTech. There had been plethora of problems right from the beginning. We have time to time apprised these problems to both APTech as well as Digital. Unfortunately the solutions so far have not reached us and even response to our queries had been far from satisfactory. They are not even acknowledged duly, leave apart a prompt reply. {\em This should be borne in mind that seven DEC 3000/300 LX machines were installed on 25.7.94 i.e. more than five months ago and DEC 3000/600 was installed on 12.8.94 i.e. more than four and a half months ago.} Still due to these pending problems we have not been able to use these machines optimally which not only hamper the work for which these machines were bought but also implies an effective loss on warranty. We would appreciate if each of the problems is addressed in the following perspective separately. 1. If at all a solution exists with you? 2. If yes, than what is the time frame to get the solution? 3. If no, than where does it exists? 4. If answer to `3' is `not known' please explicitly mention that. I am dividing the problems in three parts. # Problems regarding not getting the solution we sought. 1. We wanted a solution of the kind where we can use one machine (3600) as a main compute box and sophisticated display system and other for development and routine work. Our main application involved running and developing of graphics software using OpenGL. We have insisted this right at the time of placing the order and were even contemplating to go for PXG board despite its inferior performance. Since at that time ZLX boards were not supporting OpenGL. Based on an announcement of Digital that by March ZLX board will support OpenGL we decided to go for that. We have also asked about HX card (which is there in 300 LX machines) to APTech representative and he like any other salesman said `no problem'. However, now we have discovered that HX does not support OpenGL. {\em This must be noted that our idea was not to boast that we have eight workstations but was to actually use them for our purpose. In this regard we feel being cheated as we have placed this order against a very competitive offer from other party.} 2. We have ordered a table top DAT with the understanding that we should be able to use the same with any of the machines. However, the one we got as a cable which can fit only 3600 SCSI slot. Both APTech and Mr. Sukhdeep Singh of Digital have promised us a solution to this long ago but till date the solution remains with them only. # Problems pending with Digital 1. The CSLG licences PAKs have yet to arrive for reasons best known to Digital. It is surprising to see that how was it conceived to have a machine and software without PAKs and still use it. This reduces the machines to ornaments. Though some of the licences were provided on temporary basis but still the complete range of software that we want to use, we are not able to use. We have been listening from July that PAKs have been despatched. One really wonders by what mean they have been sent. Could some knowledgeable person in DEIL elaborate on this? 2. We have observed some problems with 3600 machine already. The machine periodically blinks and reboots itself. It has been notified to local DEIL office. However, we are yet to get a solution to this. 3. We have time and again asked Digital representative about not been able to use numbers represented by more than 32 bit word. A possible solution suggested was to use double words. However, this posses a question that by default we are loosing on the accuracy with floating point numbers, that is expected of a 64 bit machine. 4. DECnet/OSI and NAS which were explicitly ordered with the system are not supported on the version of OSF/1 that we have. Therefore, we cannot use these software. 5. We have not been able to use X server running on other OSF machine which implies that we cannot use these machines as display boxes. This is probably due to the fact that we have not been able to run DECnet. 6. DEC spin does not support 24 bit planes. This means that it cannot be run on 3600 machines which has ZLX-M1 card. # We have sought some suggestions and assistance from Digital but have not got any satisfactory answer to them. They are as follows 1. We wanted to find out if we can use the CD-ROM drive installed on 3600 machine running OSF/1 from OpenVMS boxes. If we can do so then we would like to go for procurement of OpenVMS and its layered products CD-ROM. 2. We wanted to find out if we can get any suggestions or assistance to install PVM3 or HenCE this will enable us to use workstations that we have as parallel virtual machines. We would appreciate an early and prompt reply and action from your side and also would like to know that {\em if is it a normal practice of a reputed company like Digital or for some reasons we have been singled out.} We also want to find out the possibilities of placing order with Digital directly without having to go through any VAR. Thanking you, Sincerely (Mrigank) _____________________________________________________________________________ ---- /Mrigank \/ Phone +91 172 690557 \ \Institute of Microbial Technology /\ Email: mrigank@imtech.ernet.in / /Sector 39A, \/ FAX: +91 172 690585 \ \Chandigarh 160 014 India. /\ / \//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\//\// -- When I feed the poor, they call me saint. When I ask why the poors do not have food, they call me communist - Archbishop Camaran From jkl@ccl.net Fri Mar 3 16:24:51 1995 Received: for jkl@ccl.net by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id PAA18572; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:33 -0500 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:55:33 -0500 From: Jan Labanowski Message-Id: <199503032055.PAA18572@www.ccl.net> To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: Support letters Cc: jkl@ccl.net It is me again... Thank you for all who are sending the letters. My FAX was hard at work today. I will soon send you confirmations/thanks. You still have plenty of time (two weeks) to send a letter if you did not do so. As I stressed, it is much more preferable that they are paper/FAX letters rather than e-mail. This is how the system still works, and pritout of e-mail is still not considered a "formal style". Sorry for taking the bandwidth again (there was too much already about the letters of support on the list). Please send me your comments directly, so we do not distract ourselves from the topic of this list -- Computational Chemistry. Some people suggested that I should put a form letter. While, I agree, this is a neat idea, the problem is that these letters WILL BE READ, NOT COUNTED. And persons who will read these letters will surely be interested in what people think about the list, rather than what I think (I will have my page limit to put my ideas there). Moreover, your ideas, suggestions, and reactions are very important to me. Last but not least, it is also a big and binding decision for me. I will keep you posted on how situation developes. Also, I will for sure change some ideas in the proposal when I submit/resubmit it based on your comments and ideas. By big thank for all who helped, and I still hope that more of you will help me to save the list. There are several options which I am pursuing, and when I am free to talk about it, I will. What are the chances that list will be funded? My estimate is that it will be around the ratio of letters_received/total_subscribers. And now, please, let us go back to Computational Chemistry. Thank you again for your support, Jan jkl@ccl.net -- Dr. Jan K. Labanowski, Senior Research/Supercomputer Scientist/Specialist, etc. Ohio Supercomputer Center, 1224 Kinnear Rd, Columbus, OH 43212-1163 ph:(614)-292-9279, FAX:(614)-292-7168, E-mail: jkl@ccl.net JKL@OHSTPY.BITNET From brian@bert.chem.wsu.edu Fri Mar 3 19:09:26 1995 Received: from cheetah.it.wsu.edu for brian@bert.chem.wsu.edu by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id SAA21815; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 18:24:28 -0500 Received: from bert.chem.wsu.edu (bert.chem.wsu.edu [134.121.43.22]) by cheetah.it.wsu.edu (8.6.9/WSUit-1.1) with SMTP id PAA18210 for ; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:24:26 -0800 Received: by bert.chem.wsu.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA18751; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:24:49 -0800 From: brian@bert.chem.wsu.edu (Brian W. Beck) Message-Id: <9503032324.AA18751@bert.chem.wsu.edu> Subject: Re: CCL:support CCL To: lings@bcserv.wustl.edu (S. Frank Ling) Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 15:23:55 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <9503031852.AA20059@bcserv.wustl.edu> from "S. Frank Ling" at Mar 3, 95 12:52:21 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL13] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1430 Sender: brian@bert.chem.wsu.edu S. Frank Ling wrote: : : : Although I did send in my letter, may I suggest "form" letters : for more people to sign? :-) Or do people feel strongly about : their individualism to write their own? : SF Ling : I agree. I know it's just laziness on my part, but if someone were to provide a WWW page with FORMS that could be filled out, with an additional entry for individual comments, then Jan could print them out. The user could enter contact addresses and phone numbers so that the various granting agencies could reach them for reference. I'm sure something like that would dramatically boost the statistics. Even if the agency thought a WWW form carried only half the weight of a hand written letter, you probably would still boost the support letters but several hundred. -Brian -- ============================================================================= | .---------.| Brian W. Beck | E-mail Addresses: | |/\ | ||--------------------| brian@bert.chem.wsu.edu | || \\ WSU || Biochem/Biophysics | f0388913@jaguar.csc.wsu.edu | |\ - *|| WSU , 261 Fulmer | URL: http://elmo.chem.wsu.edu/ | | | || Pullman, WA | VOICE (509) 335-4083 | | \___________|| 99164-4660 | FAX (509) 335-9688 | ============================================================================= From apisan@servidor.unam.mx Fri Mar 3 21:09:27 1995 Received: from servidor for apisan@servidor.unam.mx by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id UAA22945; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 20:42:14 -0500 Received: by servidor (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA10762; Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:44:19 +0600 Date: Fri, 3 Mar 1995 19:44:19 -0600 (CST) From: Pisanty Baruch Alejandro-FQ X-Sender: apisan@servidor To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: Reasons to ACT NOW supporting the CCL Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII content-length: 1962 Dear CCLers, it is now time to show our colours and support the CCL. Not doing so would be, from my point of view, callous, selfish and inconsiderate. As some of you might remember, I ran a survey of the List last Summer. The response to my questions was very good, with over 15% of the people writing back detailed and informative replies. The main body of the analysis is now in the process of being published and unfortunately copyright straitjackets forbid bringing that analyisis to light on the List right now. However, based on the results of the survey, I CAN and MUST tell all of you that the List is an unqualified success, a vital link to the world for many workers in the field, and a tool for research and teaching without par. It is one of the most decent and well-behaved lists around, it has one of the best information-to-noise ratios, and it is distinguished by the high level of discussion available. The variety of work done by the CCLers and its level of scientific and technical importance is truly astounding. With this in mind, let me urge you to make a veritable rally of support for the Computational Chemistry List run by Jan Labanowski, in the form of an avalanche of support letters sent to him by fax or mail. A virtual community is still a community and it has to be able to show that life in cyberspace is still the life of human beings which are able to express themselves beyond the lowly forms of the flame and reprimand, and to recognize and praise its well-doers of which a prime example is Jan. Yours truly, Alejandro . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Dr. Alejandro Pisanty, Secretary of the Advisory Council on Computing, UNAM, Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico (UNAM) Ciudad Universitaria 04510 Mexico DF MEXICO Tel. (+52-5) 622 4181, 616 1649; Fax 550 0904, 616 2010 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .