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Dear netters,

Here is the summary of the responses answering my question about converting
smiles notation in some other formats:

>The Chemeleon/ConSystant complex, which is purchased with ISIS/Draw,
>COBRA (Oxford molecuar) and CONCORD (sorry don't know who produces it)
>are two I can think of. They read the smiles format and produce a rough
>structure based on the connectivity. The output is a standard coordinate
>file.

>Wait a few days and you'll see an announcement for
>a free software package which will do this.

>Try Bob Pearlman's CONCORD. Distributed by Tripos:
>					   1699 S. Hanley Rd.
>					   Suite 303
>					   St. Louis, MO 63144, USA
>					   1-314-647-1099 (phone)

>Or COBRA distributed by Oxford Molecular Ltd.
>			The Magdalen Centre
>			Oxford Science Park
>			Oxford OX4 4GA United Kingdom
>			0865 784600 (phone)

>Chemeleon might do the job.  It is bundled with ISIS Draw or you can
>purchase it separately.

>Another possibility is BABEL (the chemistry version, not the word
>processor convertor version).

>Our Kekule program writes SMILES (and many other formats), but does not
>read SMILES (we recommend Chemeleon for that -- it interfaces well).  We
>write MOLfile (among others) -- I suspect that is the closest to what you
>need that we provide directly.

>THE standard program for doing such conversions is Concord, developed by
>Prof. Robert Pearlman and associates at UT Austin.  Concord is marketed by
>Tripos, Inc.

>Concord converts SMILES notation into a variety of Cartesian formats
>including Sybyl MOL file, MDL MOLfile, and input files compatible with
>quantum programs such as MOPAC and Gaussian.  I recommend the program >very
highly.

>There are two prgrams I know of offhand to convert SMILES to other >formats:
>	A) Tripos sells a program called dbtranslate that converts between
>SMILES, SLN (Tripos' SMILES-like molecule description), maccs files, and
>Sybyl mol files. It works fairly well although it chokes on some >complicated
aromatic systems when it tries to convert them to a kekule >form for maccs
files.
>	B) Daylight has a few utilities in their contrib directory that convert
>SMILES to maccs files.  I don't use them much but they seem well written.

>    You can try a program translating various input an output files
>e.g., babel which is in ftp site:   ftp.fu-berlin.de in
>/science/chemistry/babel. You will find there a README file explainig
>which types of files are to be converted. The file babel-1.06f.tar.gz
>contains a source program in C which can be easily compiled for any
>any computer operating system.


	Thanx to all who have contributed to these informations.

	Zeljka Medven
	Ruder Boskovic Institute
	Bijenicka 54, POB 1016
	HR-41001 Zagreb, CROATIA
	e-mail:MEDVEN@OLIMP.IRB.HR


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Dear Members,

Recently, I asked this question on the list. Since a few people have asked me to
send them any replies I may have received, here is a summary, along with the
original question.

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Original question:

  To All,
 
  I notice that there has been some discussion of the Bell tunnelling correction
  on the list recently. Could someone please point me to a reference (preferably
  a paper) on this subject?
 
  Thanks in advance,
 
  Craig Wilson
 
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Replies were as follows:

From: kckyung@munhak.inha.ac.kr (Kim Chan Kyung)
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To: msrge@csv.warwick.ac.uk (Mr C Wilson)
Date: Wed, 31 May 1995 16:42:44 +0000 (CUT)

Hi,

   You can find a reference in one of my paper published in the J. Am. Chem.
Soc., 112, 4186 (1990). 

   Hope this will help you.

Best wishes,

Chan
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Someone expressed interest in the program MolWin, which I described a couple
days ago (it takes Cartesians, or an unedited Gaussian output, or a PDB file
and shows the molecule.  The picture can be edited with WordPerfect and
printed.  Gaussian frequencies can be animated).  The program resides in
   oak.oakland.edu pub/msdos/chemistry
If for some reason you can't get it from there, contact the author:
   Dr Pavel Ganelin      48ganelin@cua.edu   (Chem Dept, Catholic U of America)
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Hello All,

 A long time ago it seems (at least two weeks) I asked a question
about relating HOMO/LUMO energies to the redox potentials of a 
heterogeneous set of molecules.  I received a lot of summary requests,
and a number of responses giving excelenent advice.

 Thank you to all who responded and here is a summary


My original questions was:

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Greetings  All,

 I am about to try to generate a corelation 
between the HOMO and/or LUMO energies and the redox
potentials for a selection  of organic molecules,the 
selection of molecules I think I want to study are 
likely to be quite heterogeneous (i.e.  some aromatics,
aliphatics, olefins etc..)  

 My question is: has this been done before, and 
do you think it will be necessary to use CI in order to 
produce reasonable values for the HOMO and LUMO energies

 All suggestions warmly welcomed
 If requested I will of course supply a summary

 Iain McVey

 Graduate Student
 Department of Chemistry
 Kent State University
 Kent, Ohio 44242

 imcvey@phoenix.kent.edu

and here are the responses:


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Dear Iain,
Many books discuss this aspect..and treat these correlations from
the prespective of different quantum theory level..e.g. book on
photoinduced electron transfer by M. A. Fox..discusses in tables
the correlations of redox potentials with homo / lumo for different
class of molecules..aromatics, polycyclic etc etc.

Some excellent organic chemistry books also give such relations..
most of them from HMO model ..

should you require more information I will be glad to discuss..
plus I remain interested in your results too.

Best wishes,
Satyam
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Calibrations were done in the parameterisations of MNDO, AM1, and PM3 on IP's
via Koopmans' theorem .  C.I. does not back-influence the Homo and Lumo...
in that they are used directli in the C.I. calculation...

Regards,

John

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Dear Iain,


I think I have some interesting references for you...

H.S. Rzepa, G.A. Suner, J.Chem.Soc.Chem.Commun. (1993), 1743-1744

R.O. Loutfy, I.W.J. Still, M. Thompson, T.S. Leong, Can.J.Chem. 57 
(1979), 638-644

S. Sen, N. Celebi, L. Turker, A.M. Onal, Bull.Soc.Chim.Belg. 102 (1993), 
583-587

The first one is mainly dealing with calculation of Redox-potentials, 
using semi-empirical methods (MNDO, AM1, PM3) and a solvatation model (COSMO)

The second reference is about comparison of measured IP en Eox...

The article by Sen et al compares calculated IP (by means of 
Huckel-theory) with measured Eox.



I'm working on this one myself, comparing PM3-calculated IP with measured 
oxidation potentials... I don't think using CI is really necessary, 
especially if your main goal is to look at a trend in the relation IP-Eox.

I think it's more important to have a good solvatation model if you want 
to calculate this relationship.


If you want some more information on how we do it, feel free to contact me.

Best regards,

Gerd 

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Dear McVey Iain!

the correlations you attempt to establish have certainly been 
investigated for many years.  For example, it is well known that 
polarographic half-wave reduction potentials for aromatic 
hydrocarbons correlate well with Huckel LUMO-energies (Streitwieser, 
"Molecular Orbital Theory for Organic Chemists", Wiley, 1961).  It 
has little sense to include CI in a calculation MO energies.  For an 
ordinary closed-shell molecule, consideration of interaction with 
singly excited configurations does not affect the SCF ground state 
(Brillouin's Theorem). If you include doubly or multiply excited 
configurations, you introduce electronic correlation effects and the 
ground state is stabilized, but the orbital concept "breaks down".

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   Have you tried searching Bigmed
via Entrez? Your idea sounds really terrific and I would 
be very interested to see your paper when it gets published.

Jennifer
Grad student
(Enzyme kinetics)

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Hi Iian,

Sounds like an interesting effort.  I haven't really tried this yet, but I've been
gearing up for it in the context of some transition metal complexes I care
about.  In these cases the solvent-solute interaction is very important to the
potentials, so I've been trying to get that figured out first.

My feeling is that for at least some organic series, you will be able to assume
small or constant solvent contribution to the observed potentials.  This should
allow you to to at least get at *relative* potentials (you will need at least one
experimental point to reference your calculated potentials to).  Keep in mind
that a redox potential is a measurement of the the free energy change between
reactants and products resulting from an electron transfer reaction.  Thus to 
get at it from quantum mechanical (and hence heat of formation) data, you are
assuming a constant entropic term throughout your series.

You may be able to get some decent correlations from simple HOMO/LUMO
data, but I suspect that a more rigorous route will be to calculate heats of
formation for both the oxidized and reduced forms of your couples and looking
at the difference.  I would expect this quatity to be most directly related to the
redox potential (or at least that's my plan of attack at the moment for the calcs
I haven't started yet!).  This will mean doing calcs using the UHF option so 
that the program can geometry optimize the structure of the half of the couple
with an unpaired electron properly.  You would then do a single point calcula
tion within the RHF approximation at the optimized geometry in order to get the
best value for the heat of formation of the paramagnetic species.

If you're not familiar with all this UHF/RHF stuff, the Hyperchem manuals touch
on it and any decent textbook on quantum theory will explain it in detail.

Good luck!  As you can see, I'm interested in this topic and I would very much
appreciate hearing about how it goes for you.  If you end up with any interest-
ing correlations and/or results you wouldn't mind sharing, I'd love to see them.

Best wishes,

                             -- Jeff Curtis at Univ. of San Francisco

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     Part of my own interest in computation of redox potentials using 
     Hyperchem is in determination of antioxidant activity. For a class of 
     similar antioxidants, I tend to get good correlation between 
     antioxidant activity and heat of reaction for one-electron oxidantion 
     of antioxidant, but the correlation breaks down when comparing 
     different classes of antioxidant.
     
     I consider this to be a limitation of a gas-phase model, where the 
     change in 'molecular environment' for similar antioxidants should be 
     about the same and thus cancel, but for widely different antioxidants, 
     the effect of solution stabilization, polarization, etc., is different 
     and produces a different effect.
     
     I have attempted to correlate excitation energies with antioxidant 
     activity to no avail.
     
     I would imagine that the environment to which the electron is being 
     transferred might affect the redox potential, since redox is always 
     measured experimentally in reference to a particular 'electrode' and 
     ionization is measured computationally with the electron going off 
     into 'nothingness'.
     
     matt harbowy
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Subject: Redox values from HOMO/LUMO
Status: RO

Dear Mr. McVey;

     Re your recent CCL posting, please be advised that Martin et al. calcu-
lated electrode potentials for naphthoquinones using extented Hueckel theory;
see Martin, Y. C., Bustard, T. M., & Lin, K. K., J. Med. Chem. 16: 1089
(1973).


Regards,

S. Shapiro
ZH
toukie@zui.unizh.ch




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Hello Iain.  As a matter of fact, we just wrote a
paper that involves this.  There are references
in our preprint of a few who have done just this
previously.

Previously, Kita has correlated electrochemical
oxidation potentials of a series of tetra-arly
oops, let me try again:
tetra-aryl lithium borate salts.  The ox pots
correlate well with the HOMO energies calculated
by MNDO.
Our paper does a series of anions, correlating the
electrochemical ox pot with the IP of the HOMO, using 
DFT (very ab initio, in my opinion) and a Transition
Operator method.  Correlation is pretty good (corr
coeff = 0.91)

This work is done jointly with a company, and it is
not yet submitted, although I expect that it will
be submitted very soon, perhaps within days. 
The title of our paper is "The Intrinsic Anodic
Stability of Several Anions Comprising Solvent-
Free Ionic Liquids"


[STUFF DELETED TO PROTECT THE INNOCENT,  IM]

I believe that he plans to submit to the Electrochem
Soc journal


I hope that this helps,

Mary Jo Ondrechen
Professor of Chemistry
Northeastern University
Boston, MA 02115 USA



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That's all folks.  THanks again to those of you who replied, I hope to have
results ready for the ACS in Chicago so if you are interested in seeing the 
results  contact me around the end of August and I'll send you what I've 
gotten by then


 Iain.





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I'm probably just whining, but ...

I just got page proofs for a paper to be published in J.Comp.Chem.
where my email address was removed from my address, because that's not
part of the official JCC style.

What is the fraction of time that you correspond with someone by US
mail vs. email? If your answer is the same as mine, it would make
sense for JCC and most other journals today to require that authors'
email addreses be included rather than be excluded. This would at
least solve the ongoing problem that this list has with folks wasting
bandwidth looking for email addresses.

But speaking of wasting bandwidth, respond to me directly and I'll 
summarize if there's anything to say.

Bye!

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