From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 02:10:34 1995 Received: from sbc2.kist.re.kr for shj@sbc2.kist.re.kr by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id CAA03173; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 02:03:38 -0400 Received: by sbc2.kist.re.kr (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for chemistry@ccl.net id PAA25818; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:04:01 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:04:01 -0700 From: shj@sbc2.kist.re.kr (sun-hee jung) Message-Id: <199507282204.PAA25818@sbc2.kist.re.kr> To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: background message to the first email about urgent messages to distribute Hi, Dear Ira and Dr. Lee ! How have you been ? As far as I know regarding some things around the world, I thought you, Ira, have been under vicious attack on your body and brain, done by apparently some bad chinese drug-lord-like spirit masters setup by japanese spirit masters to do action for themselves . Have you gotten damages on your body like straight GHI's piercing through various part of your body ? I wonder whether that was you or not. I'm very sorry that this kind of bad cases really had to happen, if it was the case. Also I got to hear through space propagation, which is actually done by spirits (if you happen to hear blackhall shj) that some NIH researchers like Dr. Harold Varmus, and shoshan wodak of Belgium, etc have gotten sedative these last few days on their feet. I'd like to know whether they really had gotten it or sedative was given to other people in the world. But the consequence is that due to theirs as well as other people's getting sedative (which I heard to be opium ?) my body got much better during these last few days. And once I could see clearly better and clear right rear middle part of my brain when many people get the sedative, which I miss dearly. I still get to bothered by bad spirits, but I hope and I'm very much sure that both you and I will be better in the near future. And I hope I can get back my clear brain, and most of all work on my research fully from now on. And I wonder whether you and Dr. BK Lee and his wife had gotten sedative on your feet; I'm pretty much sure it'll help both your body and brain quite a lot. So I'd like to recommend to get it to you very strongly. Since I've been harrassed and damaged and beaten by bad japanese spirit masters and some chinese spirit masters NONSTOP thus far once I got to know that there are really bad behaving japanese so-called Buddhism zen masters but should be called spirit masters behind to some of bad sides of what I and you, too had to go through thus far. Even though japanese claim that they have the best Buddhism study in their country, I can say for sure that what they had practiced and showed in their behavior is just so far from true teaching by Suggamoni (can't remember the usual English spelling of this Indian prince) the first Buddha, and japanese buddhism should NOT be called buddhism, but it has been nothing but sin-doism thus far. These japanese zen masters and their fellows so far had done so many damages to not only to our country Korea, but also china, and to the whole world, ruining it very much so. As a very faithful buddhist myself, this is what I can say for sure, and what I'd like to emphasize to other people of the world. Japanese sin-doism led japanese people to get too much bad karma for so long, leading to havoc (big earthquakes) that we world are going to have in the future. They should have regretted in full, and make a formal apologies to us Korean, and China, and to the world. THis part was enforced onto me (very strong part) by Cheong Wha sunim's disciples. However, this is exactly what I (shj) would like to tell you, Ira. I think I should have a very safe and actually many occasions to be able to explain what has happened thus far and what kinds of consequences they are going to bring to the world without resorting other free spirits, but rather using conventional means to explain these, like news media (various kinds of). But again, I and so many of people around the world who wanted to contribute to world peace as well as (most of all) Japan's well being in the coming years were so much damaged by really foolish spirit masters who can't know what is truth, and who can judge correctly simply because having gotten so much karma (overwhelming) has made them literally with no reasoning capacity what so ever. Also, these japanese spirit masters were able to insert so many lies and wrong info here and there, and even abusing our enlightened spirit's special ability to give a very wrong info and impression to other people of the world, which they should not have even tried. Also we have to develop new source of energy, for our world in a safe way (which could have been developed by around 1968 if japanese did not interfere and kill Dr. Bejamin Lee and other physicists). And I'm very sorry that I was unable to visit NIH when I attended protein society meeting held in Boston this time. Maybe I should have called you, but due to being occupied by so many foolish spirits as well as doing many errands for our sides and sunims, like clearing misunderstanding of Americans inserted by bad japanese spirit masters towards our true Buddhism teachings regarding various things like how to overcome AIDS mentally and physically (which occurred in New York City), I was unable to contact you while I was in USA. I guess what I'd like to tell you is that either me or Hoi-Yung Lee should be able to expound many things that some of you might already know but others don't, (and I found that there have been so many wrong and different local versions going around so far to each person, due to different spirit masters occupying each person and these spirit master's various purposes) in simple and clear terms, and most of all free from so many garbageous lies made by japanese spirit masters here and there, in order to hide so many damages they have done so far from getting revealed to general world citizens. Hoi-Yung Lee, who is going to be Dr. Oh-Joo Kwon (who has been at NIH until yesterday or so)'s wife, is said by my Buddhist teachers to be an excellent public awakening representative of Korea, and to be able to be a much better English speaking spokenwoman than me. I was going to and wanted to do this (i.e. to be able to tell other people about these) in America when I visited USA between this July 6 and 15, but due to so much interferences staged by them I was almost unable to do so. Finally, due to them, I decided to do without it this time so that japanese should be able to take care of their problem on their hands, which is what they should do. I was going to send different version to BK, but I think I'll send the same one to him, too. I had been harassed and beaten by bad japanese and some chinese spirit masters so much in totally nonstop thus far until some people in USA, China, and in Korea began getting sedative these last few days. So I was able to work on my research (with still some interference) only from yesterday with reasonably and relatively my own brain working inside me. So I'm very sorry about being totally made to forget about your father's visit and unable to contact you about it thus far. " Anyway, I'm pretty much angry at so many bad things these japanese spirit masters have done so far, which includes my totally being unable to work on my joy, which is simple research. However, I'd like to tell you and your fellow researchers at NIH, specially in the 4th floor like Drs. Klee and Wu, etc, that These days, I'd exercise very well, and try to rotate many joints of body like ones between fingers and palm, angles, wrists, etc, frequently , and stretches which affects our blood circulation quite a lot to make body better, and I'd recommend it very strongly to every brainy, intelligent people. Anyway, thank you very much for paying attention to my rather long (but still much short of what I can say and have experienced thus far) memo, and most of all, for what you've done for me so much all along. I'd like to wish you and all of your family members a good and full enlightenment, and good health and happiness. THank you very much !!! P.S. Dr. Lee ! Would you tell some part of this to Dr. Jin Hye-Min ? Thanks a lot ! And how's your wife ? I was rather concerned about Ira and Dr. Lee's health these days, so that's why I began writing this email, and as usual, it began to be lengthier than I intended initially. But I think as far as what I'd really like to tell you about what has happened thus far, it is just too meager. Anyway, I hope many people could see and hear this, and most of all, that they get to know real truth. Thank you very much for your attention. P.S. As I was to finish this memo and to send it to you, I got another blow from japanese bad spirit masters who I think are really either crazy or totally lacking any decent reasoning capacity. Dr. Lee, I'd like you to ask people around about getting sedative, and maybe show this to other people at NIH, like Dr. Davies, Eaton, etc. According to what I got to hear is that researchers at Harvard and MIT like Dr. Peter Kim, Bill Klemperer, and two students at Harvard, and several japanese so called scholars but really with very low brain of their own like one at Penn state (female physicist) and at Harvard medical school, etc had gotten sedative as well as bad japanese spirit masters on each specific points around their feet. ************************************************************************ Sun-Hee Jung KIST Structural Biology Center (L1150) Tel: (82-2) 958-5935 P.O. Box 131, CheongRyang Fax: (82-2) 958-5939 Seoul, 130-650, Korea Home: (82-2) 958-6425 e-mail:shj@sbc2.kist.re.kr (161.122.12.17) (English) e-mail:shjung@kistmail.kist.re.kr (161.122.12.3) (Korean) ************************************************************************ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 02:25:29 1995 Received: from sbc2.kist.re.kr for shj@sbc2.kist.re.kr by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id CAA03196; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 02:06:50 -0400 Received: by sbc2.kist.re.kr (940816.SGI.8.6.9/940406.SGI.AUTO) for chemistry@ccl.net id PAA25643; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:03:33 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:03:33 -0700 From: shj@sbc2.kist.re.kr (sun-hee jung) Message-Id: <199507282203.PAA25643@sbc2.kist.re.kr> To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: urgent messages to distribute HI, Dear CCL subsribers ! I do know I'm supposed to send chemistry related message in this part, but I do have rather very important messages to come across to you. One thing is that many people here in Korea had been persecuted, and some in america like Dr. Harold Varmus, Dr. Inn Hee Lee, and Dr. BK Lee have had experienced what kinds of damages on our body and brain that these half crazy japanese spirit masters could do. THis is kind of message for most important messages to say; though it's rather long, it's still lacking enough description, details, examples, etc. I hope I can answer your question via conventional means of communication, like email, fax, news media, etc. Here goes long part, and I'll send second shorter one, which actually should precede this email in terms of the time it has been written down. Here is the main text ; I can't move my head that well right now, and here's really important messages that I with other people connected via helping spirits could figure out why I had to go through so much for the last 3 and half years or so. I could not sleep that well for two weeks or so a few good days after I returned from USA, harassed like hell and so much going on around. I'd like you to distribute this message around to make sure your life's safe even though my gut feeling says you might not be in good state just right now. My writing might need further organization, but due to so much damages to come for just a while, I hope, I'm sending this in spite of fact that japanese probably damage many of us around globe. Here goes, I've been harassed like hell by japanese zen masters and some chinese spirit masters controlled and instigated by japanese zen masters in various way thus far, being able to overcome so much bodily damages to me helped by other many people and free spirits to save my neck. Let me say just here most important messages that I'd like to say. First, Japan have tried to kill so many fully enlightened people (korean zen masters and other world mental leaders), and to persecute them to hide the fact that japan are going to get many big earthquakes in the near future (for up tp 30 years ?) due to the fact that they made them get atomic bomb during world war two. This is what I got to get from through space voice transferred to my via other spirits, but I could explain why this is the case. Second, bacause of the first earthquake to come (which I got to hear to be about richter scale of 8.4 or so around sahalin island), they should work very hard to shut down nuclear power plants in japan; the time for the earthquake appears to be around Sep 13th 4am Korean time, Sep 12th 2pm around Chicago time (through space voice told me that the info was from Dali Larma when I first got the message about which part of our Korea would run into crumbling down). However, when this info was given around July 3 or so, through space voice that I heard said it'd July 14 at first, which shocked me about the fact that intentionally japanese made us to build not-safe buildings around Korea so that they would crumble down rather easily. Also I got worried about the fact that we Koreans are not prepared, while I was told that japan had prepared for it for long time ago by abusing our Korean and other nation's mental leader's ability to predict future, which made me really angry about the fact that our Korean zen masters had been abused so much by japanese spirit masters for them to get what they want like when the earthquakes are to occur, where most damages to occur, and what to do deal with it (even though these might be clouded with their really poor shik's overlay with our Korean zen masters; I heard that after knowing that they would let us to read these off then they reads off our memory), while being unable to give a very helpful info to our Korea simply because they have been harassed and interfered and damaged and killed by japanese zen masters so much so, and also intentionally led to engage in totally irrelevant things to detract their attention from really havoc like big sufferings, both in japan and Korea. And even worse thing is that even though japanese found the exact date and which part of their nation would get damage, they have tried to give me wrong info regarding date, and places of Korea where earthquake might lead to big problem, interfering with my reception of these info. Also they fed me wrong info, making confused about when the first earthquake might fall to, sometime even 2 and half years, (but now I think it was if this through-space propergation could have been finished in 1993), or 6 months, and 2 months. Only after some figuring out of so many different info, which tried to correlate different incidences with the time around at the end of september, or at the end of august, I was able to get the full and most likely pictures of what's going to happen. I just got angry note from somewhere in Korea, that we could have prevented to build many false and not safe buildings all along during the 2 and half years, which some japanese mind reading says that it was exactly what they wanted to make our Korea go through unncessary blow to our town and life losses simply because japan is going to have many big earthquakes for years to come, which would ruin our world so much so, yet they really had to make bigger loss to our earth, by making our korea unsafer and unprepared for the events so much intentionally. Third, I got to hear that japan has one atomic bomb mid range style which they have gotten from USA, and some right wings or Yasui or Dominichi japanese premier's party (this info was gotten via spirits, so I'm not sure about names or possibility but I think one have to check this possibility thoroughly) are in the process of asssembling two atomic bombs from concentrating the remnants of nuclear power plants in France (?) that they had gotten recently by ship which had a problem in passing around South Africa. I got to hear that some really crazy people in japan would try to shoot two atomic bombs each to north and south Korea, and to make their nuclear power plants explode when the quake comes; even though this is what I got to hear via spirits, but having experienced what kinds of people (really foolish and ill-bodied) there are among these japanses spirit masters, I think it is very likely that they have worked very hard to try both. I wondered myself why there are so many japanese so called upper class filthy rich family members who do spirit mastering and yu-che-i-tal just to make themselves richer by adopting so many devious methods like abusing our own brain, talents, and body parts would try to ruin our world so that many of us to become shattered spirit due to atomic bomb explosion and to have greatly damaged earth. But I learned that even though some of them just might have liked to get back to me and Korean zen masters and other helping people, thinking that their fall is as if due to ours, but which is actually their own faults especially considering the fact that many of these people who's identity got to revealed were actually revealed by other japanese who want to see them ruined as well like themselves. This also goes to some chinese spirit masters which appears to include drug king lords around the world, like ones in USA and in Canada. It appears that most of cases due to so many spirit mastering they cann't come up with any reasonable reasoning because either their brain is so poor having done so many bad karma getting behaviors, but there were indeed a few who really wanted to ruin our earth and so many people simply because they thought that they would be ruined completely by being decimated by strong lights in about 1000 years or so, simply because they think that they have gotten so many bad karma, and be unable to get full enlightenment. Apparently that these really crazy japanese got to think that way from reading off other highly enlightened zen master's clear shik (left side brain) who could predict futures, or reading our Korean zen master's writings that japanese had stolen from us Korea during japanese rule over korea, killing 100 or so of Korean buddhist zen masters at the temple. There are things that one would benefit by knowing it and there are things that one'd much better not to know it, and japanese should not have stolen our Korean zen masters's book nor their clear shik. I have lots more to say about this. And I'm very much angry at the fact that these really foolish some japanese wants to kill so many Korean zen masters who could do many good things to do, like predicting futures, for example, and acutally who is the one who could benefit these poor sould most, for many reasons of their own like inhibiting us Koreans and other world citizen's from being prepared for the worldly havoc's to come. Even though the apparent reason at first that I got to learn is that most of japanese don't want us world people to know what japanese had done to damage our world so much so all along, now I found that there are more reasons besides it, which was mentioned earlier. Fourth, which is rather important, too is that we need to get natural minerals that japan had aquired from different regions of the world that are necessary for making new source of energy so called crystal energy to be produced in outside earth. I heard this would involves about 6 elements like Cu, Zn, Co, Ni, Mo, Al residing in 4 different compounds, gotten from one Greece, Yugoslavia, Nicaragua, and last one might be mexico (this is not sure). According to what I acutally hear from one of CheongWha sunim's disciples is that we could produce an ideal 12 coordinated crystal naturally when we mix these compounds in the space where gravitational forces from different planets cancel each other, being almost zero, and this exothermic process will generate long wavelengthed low frequence energy, kind of resonance energy of the whole crystal, or something like it. This was rather different from what I used to hear via spirits while I was in NIH, which mentioned kind of concentrating SUn's energy into a condensed form, around Planet nearer to Earth (can't again remember probably due to memory block done by japanese zen masters). Acutally I wondered when I heard from our sunim why it is different from what I was fed via spirits, and did not somehow pay that much attention to the fact, probably not knowing real intention behind why I was fed with such info while I was in Bethesda. Maybe now anyone could guess why. And I got to hear quite recently that this new source of energy could have been developed by 1967 or 68 initiated by Dr. Benjamin Lee from Korea at Fermi Lab (?), who heard about it from one of our leading Buddhist monk, CheongDam sunim. Physicists of the world could figure out whether that's possible. ANyway, I heard this new source of energy is clearly safer and more free from pollusion than nuclear power plant. Yet it appears that japan had tried very hard for us the other world beings to be able to develop it during the last 30 years or so when they have worked on it. This is what I got via spirits. Anyway, I heard through space that japan has very strong intention to let these precious metal compounds to be lost during the first big quake into the water. So I was told that we should be able to get these natural minerals back from japan into UN, and the research project as well as actually getting the minerals from japan should be done in a world wide effort. I got to hear that japan has a consortium of rocket take-off effort, which is to shoot another one in September, and this consortium of three big firms are responsible for so much damages that we had to go through as well as some politicians of japan, and professional zen masters who graduated from sang-gi university pronounced in Korea but which I heard to call themselves university of tokyo buddhism study. And one should stop japan from sending their rocket off, because they might try to test new source of energy. This part should be checked, too. Fifth, we should also get our Korea zen masters' books, Wonhyo sunum's wha-jaeng-ron a set of 50 books, and Eui-Sang sunim's books, and Bojo KookSa's 80 books, and Suh-San daesa's about 200 books that japan had stolen from us Korea, and Philipinno's genius's 3 books about how we should distribute the minerals in the space and about navigation procedure. I heard Wonhyo sunim's book actually predicted our world for about 2000 years or so up to maybe 2800 AD, and his books really mentioned about possible development of nuclear power and this new source of energy (crystal energy) which was quoted to be better than the nuclear power plants. I could say much more about this as well, and most would like to say. Most of all, I'd really like to read these books. This forth and fifth are utterly important. We should not allow japanese to waste so precious compounds which could support so much so in years to come in a much cleaner way. I just have another question of how to receive this low frequence energy and to convert it to more conventional electricity or power. Anyway, I guess these ares why they have behaved so badly, trying to kill so many especially good many people who would have contributed to our world very well out of jealousy. I could say right now that they are the really foolish ones, and many others; unbelievably fool whom I've never experienced in my life till I had to deal with such people. Sixth, I think japan had tried our world to go into wrong direction, at least for 30 years or so. They've tried to develop a new source energy on their own, so called crystal energy from the space, while letting us to go developing nuclear power plants. And it turned out I lost my bid for SNU professorship, in spite of so many things that are indicative of strong possibility to get the position. I just got a formal note some days ago, and I was made to just not to pay attention to it that much because so much had been going around these days, which I really like to have several occasions to talk about it in USA or other places in the world with Hoi-Yung Lee, Mee-Yun Whang, and Chul Lee of Korea; there are many things to do in this period to prevent bigger havoc than many big earthquakes (richter scale 8.4 or so) to occur in Japan, and in regards to development of new source of energy, and how to get back natural minerals from japan to UN for the energy project. I have many things that I can say, but SNU incidence just shows me that japanese are able to do many devious things to do, and they made me waste so much of my time and energy. Thus far, I have been totally and nonstop abused and harassed by them so that it was almost impossible to do any decent research thus far here at KIST. However, thanks to many people around here in Korea and at KIST who have experienced partly what I've experienced, which turned out to be the case where those people who are not at important positions could here very well what have been propagated through space via spirits, because they are not interfered and abused by japanese spirit masters, I was able to get by thus far here at KIST. And I found that there were so many different local version of these space propagation of our teaching (both video and audio), which just showed us that japanese could insert or sometime even replace so many lies here and there to hide the fact that japan had done so many things that have damaged our world, and our human resources, and the path which our world has taken up thus far. This is why we would prefer to have an occasion to make clear what our Korean zen masters would like to tell people of the world using a conventional way of means to tell truth, like news media, etc. Cheongwha sunim had once do yu-che-i-tal from USA (new York) to KIST and taking up my spirit, too, went to SNU campus in south of seoul, to ask my professors to elect me as a professor at our department, but it turns out japanese had blocked his saying and tried to ruin his and other people's effort to get my the professorship. And the consequence is that I lost it somehow. I have also tons of things to say about this process, too. However, I can tell you for sure that I've experienced many different types of japanese zen masters' (better spirit masters) physical state, and their quality of brain (just abominably low), and really mean and slimy-ball like tactics to attempt to ruin other nations like Korea, and to kill so many precious and brainy, really talented people of the world (which I really deplore so much so), and to abuse other people's brain, talents, and good body part so that they could be so rich, looking quite talented and brainy when they are not (I mean good in terms of their productivity but really low in their actual ability). And most of all, the mere fact that they call themselves buddhist zen masters when they would do so frequently what real buddhism teaches us not to do, like killing, stealing, and sleeping around. These are three major bad things that buddhism teaches us not to do, yet I don't think japanese buddhism in america actually did not teach them such things because they do not observe it themselves. And my buddhism teachers like CheongWha sunim and Bubjung sunim had been intensely damaged and persecuted, some of which I've experienced myself. Thus far, as far as I know, japanese were able to kill each successfully twice or so. Yet somehow they were able to be revived by other enlightened spirit's help. I don't know what's going to happen to them, because what I and other people have experienced thus far, we were able to learn what japanese have done all along, and japanese have had and still have it very strongly to kill me and other people who have worked hard to let real truth be known to the world, and would like to work very hard to secure our earth's safety, as well as making it cleaner and most of all a very happy place to live. I was warned by our buddhist masters that some japanese still would try to kill me as well as others, and somehow our buddhist masters suggested me to be married to Prof. David Nelson in physics department at Harvard this fall to make safer state for both him and me, around this fall or so (at the end of September ?). I don't know actually how to discuss this matter with him; I'll have to think about it for a while. But our buddhist masters appear to think that I'd better without some special power coming from the fact that I'm being fully enlightened, after I've been able to finish what I was supposed to do up to right now. I must mention that other Korean female zen master could have done it much better, and I do know one Buddhist zen master, called Hye-Man sunim had been killed by japanese, and acutally she (her spirit after she died) saved me when japanese were giving me so much pressure on my body. I really liked her, and I do really miss her. I've gone through so much especially for the last two weeks or so, and I could say many things that I've experienced besides what I just said here briefly. Many cheers !! ************************************************************************ Sun-Hee Jung KIST Structural Biology Center (L1150) Tel: (82-2) 958-5935 P.O. Box 131, CheongRyang Fax: (82-2) 958-5939 Seoul, 130-650, Korea Home: (82-2) 958-6425 e-mail:shj@sbc2.kist.re.kr (161.122.12.17) (English) e-mail:shjung@kistmail.kist.re.kr (161.122.12.3) (Korean) ************************************************************************ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 05:55:31 1995 Received: from gps1.leeds.ac.uk for denis@mi.leeds.ac.uk by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id FAA05701; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 05:45:34 -0400 Received: from mi.leeds.ac.uk (misun1.leeds.ac.uk [129.11.12.221]) by gps1.leeds.ac.uk (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA12519 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:45:27 +0100 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:40:39 GMT From: Denis Bayada Message-Id: <8475.9507281040@mi.leeds.ac.uk> To: CHEMISTRY@ccl.net Subject: Re: CCL:smart molecule builder > I am looking for info on a program. I do not recall the name or > who distributes it (someone in academia... I know that doesn't narrow > the field much). The basics of the program is that you describe > 3D positions of various functionalities, and the program builds a > molecule to best fit your input. I understand it is intended for > the development of inhibitors. Once you obtain a crystal structure, > you can find binding sites & this program will build a prototype of > an inhibitor. > > Thank you, > Heather Carlson > heather@ramana.chem.yale.edu You are perhaps refering to the SPROUT program developed at the University of Leeds. For information, contact Dr AP Johnson (johnson@mi.leeds.ac.uk) or URL: http://chem.leeds.ac.uk/ICAMS/ Denis ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Denis M. Bayada e-mail: denis@mi.leeds.ac.uk ICAMS voice: (44) (0)113 233 65 95 School of Chemistry fax: (44) (0)113 233 65 63 University of Leeds http://chem.leeds.ac.uk/ICAMS/ICAMS.html Leeds LS2 9JT ENGLAND ... but as I proceeded in my labour, it became every day more horrible and irksome to me. Sometimes I could not prevail on myself to enter my laboratory for several days, and at other times I toiled day and night in order to complete my work. It was, indeed, a filthy process in which I was engaged. Frankenstein (Mary Shelley) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 06:55:35 1995 Received: from opalo.etsiig.uniovi.es for pueyo@pinon.ccu.uniovi.es by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id GAA06277; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 06:43:56 -0400 Received: from pinon.ccu.uniovi.es (pinon.ccu.uniovi.es) by etsiig.uniovi.es (PMDF V5.0-3 #4541) id <01HTEJSNDFNY9GV5IP@etsiig.uniovi.es>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:36:54 +0100 (GMT) Received: by pinon.ccu.uniovi.es (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA013658002; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:40:02 +0200 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:40:02 +0200 From: pueyo@pinon.ccu.uniovi.es (Lorenzo Pueyo) Subject: Re: CCL:Srand and rand To: chemistry-request@ccl.net, chemistry@ccl.net Message-id: <01HTEJSNR0GW9GV5IP@etsiig.uniovi.es> Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT "G. Ravishanker" wrote: > I am using the following template in my program (XL Fortran on AIX) > > iseed = 12357 > call srand(iseed) > > do i=1,n > a(i) = rand() > end do > > I have been unable to find a way to extract the random number seed >at the end, so in case I want to checkpoint my calculation for >continuation at a later point I can use that seed to reset the random >number generator. Any ideas on how to get this accomplished? Thanks in >advance. Very simply you can do: iseed = 12357 keepseed = iseed call srand(iseed) ... and then use the copy of the initial seed kept in keepseed at any time. On the other hand, if you are using srand() for any serious purpose you better invest some time ensuring that the statistical properties of your generator are random enough for your particular problem. Regards, Victor Lua~na +--------------------------------------------+ +---^---/ / ! Victor Lua~na ! | ~ / Just in case ! Departamento de Quimica Fisica y Analitica ! | | you don't ! Universidad de Oviedo, 33006-Oviedo, Spain ! < / remember ! e-mail: victor@hobbit.quimica.uniovi.es ! | / where Oviedo ! phone: (34)-8-5103523 ! |____ ___/ is ;-) ! fax: (34)-8-5103480 ! \/ +--------------------------------------------+ From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 10:25:37 1995 Received: from www.hyper.com for polowin@hyper.hyper.com by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id KAA09350; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:14:42 -0400 Received: from hyper.hyper.com (hyper.hyper.com [204.50.3.217]) by www.hyper.com (8.6.9/8.6.9) with SMTP id KAA26725 for <@www.hyper.com:chemistry@ccl.net>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:04:56 -0400 Received: by hyper.hyper.com (920330.SGI/920502.SGI) for @www.hyper.com:chemistry@ccl.net id AA27946; Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:47:36 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:47:36 -0400 From: polowin@hyper.hyper.com (Joel Polowin) Message-Id: <9507281447.AA27946@hyper.hyper.com> To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: Re: background message... > Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:04:01 -0700 > From: shj@sbc2.kist.re.kr (sun-hee jung) > Message-Id: <199507282204.PAA25818@sbc2.kist.re.kr> > Subject: CCL:background message to the first email about urgent messages to > distribute > Japanese sin-doism led japanese people to > get too much bad karma for so long, ... Schizophrenic Intermediate Neglect of Differential Orbitals? I don't think that it passed peer review. Joel polowin@hyper.com http://www.hyper.com From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 10:40:38 1995 Received: from nuhub.dac.neu.edu for MARYJO@neu.edu by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id KAA10006; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:40:23 -0400 From: Received: from neu.edu by neu.edu (PMDF V4.3-7 #7628) id <01HTEFSFMLG48X3D9O@neu.edu>; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:43:02 EST Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:43:02 -0500 (EST) Subject: urgent message from shj To: chemistry@ccl.net Message-id: <01HTEFSFMLG68X3D9O@neu.edu> X-Envelope-to: chemistry@ccl.net X-VMS-To: IN%"chemistry@ccl.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I don't get it, but then again I am slow. Can we get back to easy subjects, like Quantum Chemistry? Mary Jo Ondrechen From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 10:55:38 1995 Received: from czar.cm.utexas.edu for bittner@czar.cm.utexas.edu by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id KAA10583; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:54:36 -0400 Received: by czar.cm.utexas.edu (950511.SGI.8.6.12.PATCH526/930416.SGI) id JAA23754; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:57:30 -0600 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 09:57:30 -0600 From: bittner@czar.cm.utexas.edu (Eric Bittner) Message-Id: <199507281557.JAA23754@czar.cm.utexas.edu> To: ravishan@swan.wcc.wesleyan.edu CC: chemistry@ccl.net In-reply-to: <9507280118.AA17693@swan.wcc.wesleyan.edu> (ravishan@swan.wcc.wesleyan.edu) Subject: Re: CCL:Srand and rand I use the same sequence to generate random numbers. To reseed the same sequence, I just recycle the same large integer I fed to srand in the first place. Cheers! Eric Bittner ------------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Eric R. Bittner Dept of Chemistry Univ. of Texas at Austin bittner@eiger.cm.utexas.edu http://eiger.cm.utexas.edu From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 11:00:35 1995 Received: from mailhub.cc.columbia.edu for shenkin@still3.chem.columbia.edu by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id KAA10204; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:44:47 -0400 Received: from still3.chem.columbia.edu by mailhub.cc.columbia.edu with SMTP id AA09313 (5.65c+CU/IDA-1.4.4/HLK for <@mailhub.cc.columbia.edu:chemistry@ccl.net>); Fri, 28 Jul 1995 10:44:45 -0400 Received: by still3.chem.columbia.edu (931110.SGI/930416.SGI.AUTO) for @mailhub.cc.columbia.edu:ravishan@swan.wcc.wesleyan.edu id AA03015; Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:45:01 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 10:45:01 -0400 From: shenkin@still3.chem.columbia.edu (Peter Shenkin) Message-Id: <9507281445.AA03015@still3.chem.columbia.edu> To: chemistry@ccl.net, "G. Ravishanker" Subject: Re: CCL:Srand and rand > From: "G. Ravishanker" > I am using the following template in my program (XL Fortran on > AIX) > > iseed = 12357 > call srand(iseed) > > do i=1,n > a(i) = rand() > end do > > I have been unable to find a way to extract the random number seed > at the end, so in case I want to checkpoint my calculation for > continuation at a later point I can use that seed to reset the random > number generator.... One response that appeared was to save the initial seed and reuse it, but that response seemed to misunderstand the question, which is, I believe, how to *continue* the same random-number sequence -- not how to reproduce it from the beginning. I think what Ganesan wants to do is to be able to perform run1, then run2, and have the trajectory be the same as if he had performed a single run with the combined length of run1 and run2. rand() is supposed to be linear-congruential, which means (among other things) that any number in the sequence depends only on the previous number. Thus, my first guess was that the last integer generated would be the seed for the next one. I tried this, however, using srand() and irand() (which returns ints, rather than reals), and it didn't work. Thus, though I have no doubts rand() really is linear-congruential, it isn't implemented in the most obvious way. Maybe it uses a Bays- Durham shuffle (see Numerical Recipes). You don't have access to rand()'s internals, and these could change in future releases. Since all linear-congruential pseudorandom number generators are in some sense created equal, and since writing one takes about ten line of code, I'd suggest instead rolling your own. Then, if it doesn't work, you at least know whom to blame. :-) Numerical Recipes makes several suggestions that are easy to implement. See especially their "quick and dirty" suggestion, which amounts to: iran_new = 1664525 * iran_old + 1013904223 iran_old = iran_new ran_new = iran_new / 2.0**32 Thus, the last number generated becomes the seed for the new one. For caveats and improvements, see Numerical Recipes. Final note: the fact that rand() is based on generation of integers >from 0 to 2**15-1 suggests that is is a modification of the old, 16-bit rand() that came with the original 16-bit UNIX. This also suggests that you'd do better with something different. -P. ************ "There Won't Be Any More." Charlie Rich, RIP *********** *Peter S. Shenkin, Box 768 Havemeyer Hall, Chemistry, Columbia Univ.,* *NY, NY 10027; shenkin@columbia.edu; (212)854-5143; FAX: 678-9039* ********** World music: What Bluegrass is to a Bulgarian. *********** From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 13:10:45 1995 Received: for jkl@ccl.net by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id MAA13754; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:59:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 12:59:58 -0400 From: Jan Labanowski Message-Id: <199507281659.MAA13754@www.ccl.net> To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: Recent messages of Sun-Hee Jung Cc: jkl@ccl.net Dear CCLers, I regret that the messages of Sun-Hee Jung appeared on the list. I placed the address in "reject" file so hopefully mail from this person will not appear again on the list. Please do not discuss this affair on the list. This is not a Medicinal Chemistry list, but a Computational Chemistry list. Please... Jan Labanowski jkl@ccl.net From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 14:40:41 1995 Received: from mail.eecs.uic.edu for tj@eecs.uic.edu by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id OAA16145; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:27:48 -0400 Received: from bert.eecs.uic.edu (bert.eecs.uic.edu [128.248.166.23]) by mail.eecs.uic.edu (8.6.11/8.6.10) with ESMTP id NAA05027 for ; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:28:56 -0500 From: tj ODonnell Received: (tj@localhost) by bert.eecs.uic.edu (8.6.10/8.6.10) id NAA28702 for chemistry@ccl.net; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:29:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199507281829.NAA28702@bert.eecs.uic.edu> Subject: Srand and rand To: chemistry@ccl.net (CCL) Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 13:29:03 -0500 (CDT) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 593 I think the following should get you back to the point you left off in a random number seqence. call srand(original_seed) do i=1,n call rand() end do This "wastes" n calls of rand(), but is guaranteed to get you back to where you left off. Of course, you must know what n was at the point you left off. I don't expect n calls to rand will be very time consuming. -- *---------------------------------------------------------------------* | Dr. TJ O'Donnell > tj@eecs.uic.edu < http://www.eecs.uic.edu/~tj/ | *---------------------------------------------------------------------* From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 15:55:45 1995 Received: from gatekeeper.es.dupont.com for hodgecn@chemsci5.dmpc.com by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id PAA18330; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:46:20 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.es.dupont.com; id AA12375; Fri, 28 Jul 95 15:42:26 -0400 Received: from [158.117.153.78] (esm153078) by chemsci5.dmpc.com (5.0/SMI-SVR4) id AA13602; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:20:35 -0400 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 1995 15:20:34 -0400 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: The DuPont Merck Pharmaceutical Company X-Mailer: Eudora 1.5.1 for Macintosh To: chemistry-request@ccl.net, chemistry@ccl.net From: hodgecn@chemsci5.dmpc.com (Nick Hodge) Subject: Pacific Symposium on Biocomputing: Registration Form Available at www and Abstract Deadline: 9/1/95 Content-Length: 0 ||REGISTRATION MATERIALS NOW AVAILABLE ON WWW SITE: http://cgl.ucsf.edu/psb | | |FIRST ANNUAL PACIFIC SYMPOSIUM ON BIOCOMPUTING (PSB-1) |January 3-6, 1996 |The Ritz-Carlton-Mauna Lani, Island of Hawaii | | |PSB-1 will bring together top researchers from around the world to |exchange research results and address open issues in all aspects |of computational biology. 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Nick Hodge, Ph.D. Head, Computer Aided Drug Design Group The DuPont Merck Pharmaceutical Company P.O. Box 80353, Wilmington, DE 19880-0353 Phone: +1 (302) 695 3698 Fax: +1 (302) 695 2813 Internet: hodgecn@chemsci1.dmpc.com From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Fri Jul 28 17:10:46 1995 Received: from hsc.usc.edu for masayuki@hsc.usc.edu by www.ccl.net (8.6.10/930601.1506) id RAA19740; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 17:02:37 -0400 Received: (masayuki@localhost) by hsc.usc.edu (8.6.12/8.6.4) id OAA28891 for chemistry@ccl.net; Fri, 28 Jul 1995 14:02:35 -0700 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 95 14:02:33 PDT From: Masayuki Yuki To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: New Versions of MOPAC Message-ID: Dear CCL Subscribers: I use MOPAC 6.0 for parametrization and partial charge calculation of molecules whose parameters are not available in AMBER 4.0 force field. Is there a later version of MOPAC? If there is, what is the difference from MOPAC 6.0? Does it result in improved parametrization? Is it worth getting it? Is there an ftp site from which I can get it? Your reply on these questions are appreciated! Sincerely, Masayuki Yuki masayuki@hsc.usc.edu Department of Pharmaceutical Sciences University of Southern California