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Dear Dr. Vyboishchikov

"
   I am looking for a Fortran subroutine that can calculate overlap
   integrals over primitive Gaussian functions of s-, p-, and d-type.
   Any hints would be greatly appreciated.
"
Do you have the Gaussian package? 
Then you will find Fortran subroutines in l302.F

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Dear Netters,

Sorry for the delay. Recently I posted the following question to the list:

On Oct 31,  9:12am, Rochus Schmid wrote:
> Subject: Loewdin charges/ DFT
> Dear Netters,
>
> Recently I've optimized a number of low valent Rhodium (I) complexes with
> DGauss on the LDA level (DZVP basis). The Loewdin charges of the metal atom
> calculated by the program show a reasonable tendency for the different
> complexes, but the absolute values are always negative (down to -1), which I
> didn't expect. Others (they do a lot of TM ab initio calculations) told me,
> that they never get negative values in any charge analysis for TM atoms.
>
> My questions are:
>
> 	- is this something to worry about? (I want to discuss the tendency
> 		only)
> 	- if it is something unusual, what is the origin: DFT or the Loewdin
> 		charge analysis?
>
> I would be very happy about any hints/ comments on this matter.
> I will summarize to the net.
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Rochus
>
> --
>
>-- End of excerpt from Rochus Schmid

Thanks very much to all who have replied.

The conclusion is -I think- that there is nothing to worry about negative
charges on TM (Others find the same). I can't really say wether or not it comes
>from DFT. The Mulliken charges are negative as well in the case of my
complexes, but the absolute values are much lower. Both Loewdin and Mulliken
show the same trends.
There is also the question about basis set dependency. But e.g. Elaine (see
summary below) states, that she get's even more negative charges with larger
basis sets.

Prof. Istvan Mayer suggested to do the same calc. with HF or so to check what
happens. Didn't find the time to do that yet (but I will).

Thanks again. Have a nice day.

Greetings,

Rochus


*******************************************************************************

On Oct 31, 10:41am, Andreas Ehlers wrote:
> Subject: Re: CCL:Loewdin charges/ DFT
> Lieber Rochus,
> ich hoffe es stoert dich nicht, wenn ich dich auf Deutsch anspreche, aber
> dann kann ich schneller antworten, als in Englisch.
> Um es kurz zu ssgen, es gibt nichts, worueber du dir Sorgen machen muesstest.
> Solange deine berechneten Ladungen den erwarteten Trend widerspiegeln ist
> alles in Ordnung. Allerdings ist glaube ich die Diskussion um
> Partialladungen fast so alt wie die Quantenchemie. Fest steht, dass
> Partialladungen keine quantenchemischen Observablen sind und man keine
> absoluten Werte dafuer angeben kann. Stattdessen muss man irgendein
> Modell anwenden und mit der Entscheidung fuer ein bestimmtes Modell
> entscheidet man sich fuer eine ganz bestimmte Methode, die
> Elektronendichte zwischen zwei Atomen aufzuteilen. Und je nach methode
> kann man ganz unterschiedliche Werte bekommen. Lass Dich nicht
> verunsichern durch die Tatsache, dass jemand bei ab initio Rechnungen nur
> positive Werte errechnet hat. Ich selbst habe ab initio Rechnungen von
> Ubergangsmetallcarbonylen gemacht und sowohl Bader-Ladungen als auch
> NBO-Ladungen dazu berechnet. Das Ergebnis war, dass mit der einen Methode
> eine Partialladung am Metall von ca +1 und mit der anderen eine von ca -1
> herrauskam, je nach Methode fuer die selbe Wellenfunktion.
> Da ich gerade DFT-Berechnungen mache, kann ich zufaellig auch hierfuer
> ein Beispiel angebeben. Fuer Cr(CO)6 erhalte ich -.2939 (Gross charges)
> bzw.  .2311 (Hirshfeld charges) bzw 1.288 (Vornoi charges) fuer das Cr.
>
> Der entscheidende Punkt ist jetzt, zu fragen welches Modell spiegelt die
> erwarteten Trends am besten wieder und nicht zu fragen welches Modell
> liefert die besten Werte. Wie gesagt, es handelt sich nicht um eine qc.
> Obsevable. Daher lassen sich die berechneten Werte nur mit den Daten
> vergleichen, die der Chemiker intuitiv im Kopf hat (wie z. B das Metall
> im Komplex XYZ ist positiv). Diese entspringen aber ebenso irgendeinem
> Modell. Auch der Chemiker ordnet intuitiv die E-Dichte in einer Bindung
> irgendwie einem bestimmten Atom zu, ebenso wie Bader oder Mulliken etc.
>
> Ich weiss, dass es ausgesprochen schwer ist, diesen Standpunkt jemanden
> klarzumachen, der nur experimentell arbeitet und im allgemeinen nur in
> seinem Modell von Nukleophilie oder Elektrophilie arbeite. Aber als
> Theoretiker muss man halt mit unterschiedlichen Modellen arbeiten. Und
> wenn die von dir berechneten Loewdin-Ladungen die richtigen Trends
> wiederspiegeln, hast du schon viel gewonnen.
>
> Viel Erfolg mit deinen Arbeiten,
> Andreas
>
> ===========================================================================
> =                   - Andreas Ehlers                                      =
> =      (__) ____    - Afdeling Theoretische Chemie, Faculteit Scheikunde  =
> =      (oo)/    \/~`- Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam                        =
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> = \|/     ||   W||  - [ ehlers@iodine.chem.vu.nl             \|/ \|/ \|/  =
> ===========================================================================
>
>-- End of excerpt from Andreas Ehlers



On Nov 6, 12:03pm, E.A.Moore (Elaine Moore) wrote:
> Subject: Loewdin charges on TM
> Regarding your e-mail to CCL. I am surprised your colleagues never get
negative
> charges on the metal. I have several ab initio runs in which this occurs
> although in all cases the Mulliken charge is positive. As I was not
particularly
> interested in the charges I just assumed it was a result of the way electrons
> are partitioned between atoms to give the charge. Interestingly improving the
> basis set on Ti in TiCl4 makes the charge on Ti more negative.
> Elaine A. Moore
> Open University
> UK
> e.a.moore@open.ac.uk
>-- End of excerpt from E.A.Moore (Elaine Moore)


On Oct 31,  9:13am, David Heisterberg wrote:
> Subject: Re: CCL:Loewdin charges/ DFT
> Do you have a similar quality basis on all the atoms?  Of course,
> "similar quality" is hard to define, but the charges can be very
> sensitive to choice of basis set.  Just a guess.
>
> Dave Heisterberg
>-- End of excerpt from David Heisterberg

Yes: all DZVP

On Oct 31,  9:41am, schrecke@zinc.chem.ucalgary.ca wrote:
> Subject: Re: CCL:Loewdin charges/ DFT
> >
>
> Hi Rochus, I don't know the answer to your questions, however, I think I can
> give you some hints. It is by now well known that the LDA level is in general
> insufficient for transition metals, e.g., to get geometries right, you need
> gradient corrections. Secondly, I wonder wether for 4d transition metals,
> you need to include already relativity (well, probably you can still get away
> without). Finally, I am not quite sure wether a double-zeta type basis is
sufficient.
> But as I said, I don't know how (and if at all) these points apply to your
> particular problem.
>
> Yours sincerely, Georg
>
> ==============================================================================
> Georg Schreckenbach                      Tel: (Canada)-403-220 8204
> Department of Chemistry                  FAX: (Canada)-403-289 9488
> University of Calgary                    Email:
schrecke@zinc.chem.ucalgary.ca
> 2500 University Drive N.W.,  Calgary,  Alberta,  Canada,  T2N 1N4
> ==============================================================================
>-- End of excerpt from schrecke@zinc.chem.ucalgary.ca

I optimized some of the complexes on NLDA (BP) level, eg.
	LDA:	-1.385 Loewdin charge on Rh
	NLDA:	-1.348 Loewdin charge on Rh


On Nov 1,  5:32pm, ccl@cric.chemres.hu wrote:
> Subject: Re: CCL:Loewdin charges/ DFT
>
> Try a normal (non-DFT, i.e. Hartree-Fock-Roothaan) calculation to decide
> whether DFT or the charge analysis is the source of your problem. I am
> much currious about the result, so please inform me too.
>
> Regards,
>
> Istvan Mayer
>


-- 

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Dear Colleagues;

     Is anyone familiar with the abbreviations "Uss" and "Upp" as they might
apply to physical or quantum chemistry?  They have units of eV, and may refer
to something relating to spectroscopy, but as of this writing I haven't been
able to find any useful definitions or descriptions of "Uss" and "Upp".

     Thanks in advance to all responders.


Sincerely,

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Hi,

   As I know, Uss and Upp are used in semiempirical methods as 
one-electron parametrical energy.  You can find them in semiempirical 
parametrization papers.

Taisung Lee

> Dear Colleagues;
> 
>      Is anyone familiar with the abbreviations "Uss" and "Upp" as they might
> apply to physical or quantum chemistry?  They have units of eV, and may refer
> to something relating to spectroscopy, but as of this writing I haven't been
> able to find any useful definitions or descriptions of "Uss" and "Upp".
> 
>      Thanks in advance to all responders.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> (Dr.) S. Shapiro
> ZH, CH
> toukie@zui.unizh.ch
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There have been several questions about SCF and different electronic
states, and enough mis-information has been posted that a coherent
reply is needed.

Several different issues have been mixed together in the responses:

1.  Getting Gaussian to find an SCF solution of a particular symmetry.
2.  Whether SCF always converges to the ground state.
3.  Whether an SCF solution different from the ground state (lowest)
    solution but of the same symmetry is phycially meaning ful.
4.  Whether one always wants the ground state in all calculations, or
    all calculations involving a reaction.

The original question was about either 1 or 3 (it was open to either
interpretation).

First of all, an SCF can converge to a minimum or a saddle point in the
space of possible wavefunctions.  The nature of the stationary point
found can be testing by finding if the orbital rotation Hessian has
any negative eigenvalues (Stable keyword in G94, or Stable=Opt to move
downhill to a local minimum).  Once a minimum is found, it is not
guaranteed to be the global minimum, although it usually is in
practice.  (In fact, it takes some effort to produce an example of
multiple local minima, and this usually involves stretching multiple
bonds.)

There is a rather useless theorem that if pure SCF (without DIIS or
any other extrapolation) converges, then the resulting wavefunction is
a local minimum.  In practice, pure SCF is so slow and unreliable that
everyone uses some extrapolation method.  This greatly reduces the
number of SCF iterations required and greatly increases the likelihood
of finding a solution but does create the possibility of finding a
saddle point instead of a minimum.  The theorem has led some people to
the false assumption that if the SCF converges, even with normal
extrapolation proceedures, then it must be stable.  In practice, the
stability should be tested if there is any doubt or uncertainty about
the solution -- this includes any case in which significant
convergence difficulties are encountered.

If a solution of the SCF equations which has a different symmetry than
the ground state is found, then the variational principle applies and
the energy of this state is an upper bound on the energy of the lowest
excited state of its symmetry.  If the SCF is started with an initial
guess of a different symmetry than the ground state and is constrained
to consider wavefunctions of only this symmetry, then such a solution
can be found.  This is typically done by keeping the number of occupied
orbitals of each symmetry type fixed.  The route command for this in
Gaussian 94 is SCF=Symm.

A solution of the standard SCF equations which is of the same symmetry
as the ground state only provides an upper bound on the ground state
energy.  A solution with the same symmetry as the ground state which
is not the lowest solution is an arbitrary mixture of the ground state
and excited states of the same symmetry.  It does not provide an upper
bound on any energy except the ground state, and is not a good
approximation to the the wavefunction for any excited state, since it
has an unknown amount of ground state mixed in.  These general excited
states must be studied by a method which enforces orthogonality to the
ground state, such as CIS or CASSCF.

While typical reactions occur entirely on the ground state potential
energy surface, as one poster noted, there are many cases of surface
crossings.  These are an important feature of photochemical reactions.
The usual case of ground state reactions can be reliably studied in
Gaussian by using Stable=Opt to ensure that the wavefunctions used
at each structure are minima in wavefunction space.  For details on
studying conical intersections and related photochemistry, see
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Mike Frisch
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On Fri, 17 Nov 1995, Hr Dr. S. Shapiro wrote:

> Dear Colleagues;
> 
>      Is anyone familiar with the abbreviations "Uss" and "Upp" as they might
> apply to physical or quantum chemistry?  They have units of eV, and may refer
> to something relating to spectroscopy, but as of this writing I haven't been
> able to find any useful definitions or descriptions of "Uss" and "Upp".
> 
>      Thanks in advance to all responders.
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> (Dr.) S. Shapiro
> ZH, CH
> toukie@zui.unizh.ch
> 

Uss and Upp are the core integrals for s and p orbitals respectively, which
are parameterized according to related spectrosocpy data in the different
scheme, such as CNDO, INDO, AM1, PM3,.....

You can easily find the definition in any book or paper which describes
the semi-empirical calculations.
For example, PM3, by J. Stewart, J. Comput.Chem. Vol.10 (2), 209 (1989).


Good lucky.

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1340  Keynote Lecture:
     	Molecular Simulation: Recent Advances.
	Professor D. J. Tildesley (University of Southampton).

1430  Simulation of Polymers: Recent Advances. 
	Professor J. H. R. Clarke (UMIST).

1455  Tea

1530  Plenary Lecture:
      	Molecular Dynamics from First Principles: Recent Advances. 
	Professor R. Car (Ecole Polytechnique Federale de Lausanne,
						       Switzerland).

1620  Simulation of Stretched Crystals: Recent Advances, 
	Professor R. M. Lynden-Bell (Queen's University, Belfast).

1645  Simulation of Liquid Crystals: Recent Advances,
	Doctor M. P. Allen (University of Bristol).

1710  Close


Organiser: Professor J. N. L. Connor, Department of Chemistry, University
                                      of Manchester, Manchester M13 9PL.

Local Organiser: Doctor Sally Price, University College London.

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 Department of Chemistry,                     :+44-161-275-4693 (international)
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Dear CCLers,

I would appreciate to get some references on limonoids (meliacins), 
experimental and computational chemistry results.

Thanks in advance

							Daniel Glossman
							

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Dear Netters,

I am looking for an ab initio effective core potentials(gaussian orbiral
valence basis sets) for Gadolinium(Gd).
Any hints would be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Osawa Shuichi
Applied Laser Chemistry Laboratory
The Institute of Physical and Chemical Research(RIKEN)





