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Dear Netters,

I am looking for an ab initio potential surface for PH3.

Stephan

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From: Tom Sundius U of Helsinki +358 0 1918339 <SUNDIUS@phcu.helsinki.fi>
Subject: Re: CCL:Wilson Out-Of-Plane Coordinate
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> 	Could someone explain me what exactly the Wilson out-of-plane
> 	coordinate is?
 ...
> 	I have the corresponding reference

> 	Wilson, E. B.; Decius, J. C.; Cross, P. C. Molecular Vibrations,
> 	Dover, New York (1980).
> 	but we don't have the book here.

   Another reference, which may be very helpful, is 
   S. Califano: Vibrational States, J. Wiley & Sons, London (1976)
   ISBN 0-471-12996-8 (there may be a new edition of this useful book)
   Chapter 4 of this book deals with the Wilson internal coordinates.

   Sometimes the out-plane bend coordinate is also defined as "impromper
   torsion" which involves the dihedral angle between two adjoining planes.
   The difference between the two definitions is, however, insignificant for
   an (almost) planar configuration.

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Dear netters,
a week ago, I posted a question regarding software that convert
a PostScript file into a Macintosh file. 
 I thank many CCLers who responded to my request.

 My original question was that (IR(JDoes anyone know of a free or shareware
that can convert a SGI postscript file to a macintosh postscript one?(IS(J.
As pointed out by some people, there is only one PostScript
(if the difference level 1 and level 2 is ignored).
So it should have been exactly as (IR(JDoes anyone ... convert a PostScript file
into a EPS(Encapsulated PostScript) file for Macintosh.
What I wanted to try are
1) adding(by overwriting or editting) some characters and pictures
on PostSctipt images, which were moved to Mac from SGI workstation,
using an application such as Word, ChemDraw,etc.... and
2) getting good outputs of them trough a PostScript Printer.

 There is a short summary of responses focasing on softwares.
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*PS2EPS+          (Macintosh freeware written by Peter Lerup)
can generate visible picture(screen preview) from PostScript files.
The primary usage of this program is to genarate EPS files from plain PS
text files. This is act as a front program of Ghoastscript
[http:search.shareware.com]
 .....I tried to convert a PostScript file into EPS by PS2EPS+ and imported it
into Word and ChemDraw Pro. Next, I overwrote some pictures on it
using painting tools in Word and sent it to a printer,
then a PostScript printer gave a fine output.
I wonder if this is a kind of easiest methods to modify PostScript files.
In case of ChemDraw, however, I could not obtain a good result......

*GSViewer          (Macintosh freeware written by Mark Lentcznek)
is also a front program of Ghostscript. This software can display PostScript
files
by screen preview,send it to a printer and save it as a PICT file.
[http://ftp.cs.wisc.edu/pub/ghost/aladdin/mac]

*DropPS          (macintosh freeware written by Rich Siegel)
is a utility to send PostScript files (without creating screen previews)
to any PostScript printer connected to an AppleTalk network.
[http://hyperarchive.lcs.mit.edu/HyperArchive.html]

*XTRA for Macintosh FreeHand          
is a third-party program that supposedly allows one to import a PostScript file
and edit it.You(IU(Jd have to buy Macromind FreeHand and TechPool XTRA.
[http://www.macromedia.com/software/xtras/freehand/techpool.html]

*GraphicConverter          (Macintosh shareware written by Thorsten Lemke)
converts pictures of different formats and has a number of useful
picture-handling features. The new version of it(V2.4.3) can read EPS files
if you(IU(Jve got a shareware called EPStoPICT and registered it.
 .....GraphicConverter can read EPS files, which were converted from PostScript
files
by PS2EPS+, as PICT.....
This can convert very lots of kinds formats including SGI image (.rgb file).
[http://search.shareware.com]

*epsConverter          (Macintosh shareware written by Sam Weiss)
can read any portable EPS files and convert it into Adobe Illustrator EPS files.
 .....I have no Adobe Illustrator, so I cannot try it. .....
[http://search.shareware.com]
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*pstops          (a unix program, copyright to Angus J. C. Duggan)
is one of the softwares called (IR(JPS utility package(IS(J.
This is used like an unix command containing no viewer.
[NetSearch; Excite Serch etc.]

*tops          (IRIX command)
converts iris image to PostScript.
Example; %tops (file name.rgb) -eps > (file name.eps)
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*pgdraw          (Windows freeware)
can edit PostScript files. ATM(Adobe Type Manager) is necessary
to annotate by pgdraw.
[http://search.shareware.com]
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Best regards,
  
  Toshimasa Tanaka

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Dears CCL users:

	Last week I post a question regarding to a TS on a SN2 reaction. I 
have received some responses and here is the summary:

	My original question was:


**********************************
        I need to calculate the TS for a variety of SN2 reactions using
semiempirical Mopac calculation and I have some problems. I will be very
greatfull for every help that you can gave me.

        The strategy that I have used is the following:

        I have define a dummy atom in order to fix the geometry of the
nuclephile and the leaving group as in the following scheme:


        Du..........C
                    |
                    |
        Nu..........C---L

        I have defined the distance between the dummy atom (Du) and the upper
carbon atom about 10 A and between the nucleophile (Nu) and the lower carbon
atom about 5 A.

        The Du-C-C-Nu and Du-C-C-L dihedral angles have been defined as 0 and
180 degrees, respectively.

        I used the symmetry keyword (option 17) in order to varies the C-C-Nu
bond angle as 180 degrees - C-C-L bond angle during the calculation.

        I believe that with those definitions, the nucleophile, the carbon
atom and the leaving group (L) must be in straight line when the distances
Nu-C is decreased at 0.1 or 0.05 A intervale.

        I expect that when the nucleophile is located at a apropiate distance
the distance C-L begin to increase so that the geometry of higher energy
could be used to optimized the TS of the reaction, but this does not occur.
When the nuclephile is about 2.4-2.2 A, the leaving group is inmediately
ejected to a distance of 3.5 A or more.

        Can anybody with experience in this type of calculations gave me some
orientations to resolve this problem?.

        Please, e-mail directly to me and I will summarized to the net.

        Sincerely

        A. Entrena

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	And the answers are the following:

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From: ansu@trout.csb.ki.se (Ansuman Lahiri)
   

Dear Dr. Entrena

Did you try the SADDLE keyword in mopac? What I usually do is to
choose two configurations (in one of which the leaving group is
bonded and in the other the attacking group is bonded to the central
group) and then run SADDLE. The approximate transition state obtained
from SADDLE can then be further refined using TS.

Hope this helps

Good luck!

Ansuman


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From:  "Anatoli Korkin" <korkin@qtp.ufl.edu>
   

Hi!

Fixing C-Nu eagual C-L in optimization, you will approach TS closely.
Then compute frequencies and use the resulting force field along with
opt=ts option. But I have feeling, that you guy hardly undertand what
are you doing and why.

regards,

Anatoli Korkin


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From:  Alan.Shusterman@directory.Reed.EDU (Alan Shusterman)
    

--- You wrote:
I expect that when the nucleophile is located at a apropiate distance
the distance C-L begin to increase so that the geometry of higher energy
could be used to optimized the TS of the reaction, but this does not occur.
When the nuclephile is about 2.4-2.2 A, the leaving group is inmediately
ejected to a distance of 3.5 A or more.
--- end of quoted material ---
I am not sure what Nu/L combinations you are using, but this may be 
reasonable
behavior.

First, if either of the reactants or products are charged, then electrostatic
interactions (ion-dipole) will be very strong and a true transition state may
not even exist.  Consider chloride attacking methyl chloride (degenerate 
rxn):
as chloride approaches the energy falls (favorable ion-dipole interaction),
then sharply rises to give a symmetric TS, then falls again to give the 
product
ion-dipole complex.  The AM1 transition state is only a kcal/mol or two 
higher
than the separated reactants.  Now consider hydroxide attacking methyl
chloride: as hydroxide approaches the energy falls steadily without
intervention of a transition state.  This reaction is very exothermic, and 
bond
energy changes plus electrostatic interactions erase the transition state.  
To
summarize: 1) you may have trouble locating transition states, 2) minima may
correspond to ion-dipole complexes in which reactants approach to within LESS
than the sum of the nonbonded radii, 3) TS, when they do exist, should be
viewed as resonance hybrids of the reactants and products, and therefore
reasonably short CN and CL bond distances are expected.

Finally, least motion paths are interesting, but may not tell the full story.
For example, hydroxide attack on methyl chloride initially gives an 
ion-dipole
complex in which the chloride is close to the methyl hydrogens of methanol.
This is probably not the global minimum, and may not even be a local minimum.
The best structure is probably one in which a hydrogen bond, Cl..HOCH3, holds
the ion and dipole together.

Alan Shusterman
Department of Chemistry
Reed College
3203 SE Woodstock Blvd
Portland, OR  97202



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From:  Hens Borkent <borkent@caos.kun.nl>
 

Dear Dr. Entrena,

There is no reason why the leaving group should stay in
the neighbourhood of the carbon atom; once you're over
the 'top' (TS), the structure will minimize the C-L
distance. And moreover, there is no reason why the
N-C-L angle should be 180 degrees, unless your carbon
skeleton is symmetrical (methyl, t-butyl).
The savest thing would be to do a grid search, in which
you vary the C-N distance in the range 2.0 2.8, and the
C-L distance something similar, depending on the nature
of the leaving group. In this way you fix both values
and a saddle point should appear in the grid. This
point should be optimized using the TS keyword.
Have a look at:
http://www.caos.kun.nl/tutorials/camm/mopac/gsm.html

Sincerely,
--

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From:    Jose Ignacio Garcia <jig@qorg.unizar.es>
 
He leido tu pregunta en la CCL. Puede haber varios motivos para el comporta-
miento que describes. En primer lugar, la forma de la superficie de energia
potencial depente por supuesto de la reaccion, de forma que podria suceder
que en la reaccion particular que estas estudiando, haya una zona en la que
el sistema evolucione muy rapidamente. La solucion en este caso es estudiar
mas en detalle dicha region, modificando la distancia de ataque Nu-C con
intervalos mas cortos. Algo parecido sucede cuando se comparan las reacciones
Cl(-) + CH3Cl --> ClCH3 + Cl(-) y
F(-) + CH3Cl --> FCH3 + Cl(-)
En el primer caso, se obtiene un diagrama de reaccion "de libro", pero
en el segundo, dependiendo de la geometria inicial y el intervalo utilizado
puede obtenerse un diagrama en el que aparentemente la energia disminuye
siempre, sin que aparezca barrera de activacion. Resulta necesario estudiar
muy en detalle la region critica para localizar dicha barrera.
Por otra parte, creo que utilizas demasiadas restricciones en el acercamiento
de Nu, lo cual puede dar problemas. Ten en cuenta que cuantas mas 
restricciones
utilices, menos representativa sera la superficie de energia calculada con
respecto a la "verdadera".
Nosotros solemos emplear el siguiente esquema:

Nu ------C-------L    Donde el diedro se fija en 180 grados y los angulos
         |            Nu-C-Du y Du-C-L se fijan en 90 grados. Es estricta
         |            logica, no deberia fijarse ninguna restriccion, pero
        Du            si Nu o L llevan carga neta, la tendencia a dar
                      reacciones "exoticas", como arrancar un proton cercano
                      es bastante grande.
Con las restricciones indicadas, se fuerza a  que el ataque de Nu y la salida
de L se produzcan a lo largo de una linea recta, como usualmente se asume en
las SN2.
Espero que estas observaciones te sean de alguna ayuda.
Un cordial saludo.

Jose Ignacio
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	Thanks to all af them for their help. 


	Sincerely


	A. Entrena

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Subject: SUMMARY: CompChem Journals


Dear CCLers: 

Several days ago I asked the following questions:

   Has anyone of you compiled or seen a list of Journals which are 
   mainly devoted to Computational Chemistry and/or Drug Design? 
   Are the any web sites where I can find this? Related information 
   such as citation rate would be helpful.
   Thanks.

I got some replies which are summarized here. They were very helpful.
Thanks to those who replied. 

-Leming Shi
shil@dtpax2.ncifcrf.gov

=============== Begin of Summary: CompChem Journals ===========
-----------------
From: jeilers@daisy.ac.siue.edu (Jim Eilers)

Try http://www.awod.com/netsci/   and leads from there.
-----------------
From: "Thomas A Adler" <adler@alrc.usbm.gov>
I found a list of journals at the following site:

http://midway.ca.sandia.gov/~mecolv/intro/intro.html
-------------------
From: Konrad Hinsen <hinsen@ibs.ibs.fr>
Those that have Web sites are listed in
  http://lacebark.ntu.edu.au/chem_ref.html
-------------------
From: "Lisa M. Balbes" <balbes@osiris.rti.org>
There are some listed on my web page,
http://www.cris.com/~balbes/science.html.  There is a link there to Network
Science, which has an extensive live of other journals.  Good Luck.
-------------------
From: Gerd Thys <thys@uia.ua.ac.be>
Sounds like a commercial but please try my compilation:

http://sch-www.uia.ac.be/u/thys/chem.html

In the section 'Journals'... I think it's a nice starting point to other 
places too...
-------------------
From: "Dr. Neil E. Hoare" <hoaren@sisko.sci.port.ac.uk>
Several journals have web-sites. The following are some of the modelling
oriented ones.

J. Comp-Aid Mol. Des.
http://wucmd.wustl.edu/jcamd/jcamd.html

J. Mol. Modelling
http://derioc1.organik.uni-erlangen.de/info/JMOLMOD/jmolinfo.html

The J.Comp Chem also has a site. (can't find the URL !)
-------------------
From: James Crabbe <M.J.C.Crabbe@reading.ac.uk>
The journal Computers and Chemistry (Elsevier Science) has such articles.

You could request a copy from d.barry@elsevier.co.uk, or view the web at :
http://www.elsevier.nl:80/catalogue/SAA/205/06000/06005/379/379.html
-------------------
From: Jean-marie Teuler <teuler@idris.fr>
I have tried to keep a list of chemistry related journals on our Web server
http://www.cpma.u-psud.fr/revues.html
-------------------
From: Arthur Wang <arthur@ipc.pku.edu.cn>
My favorate on-line journal concerning with drug design is NetSci, which 
locates at: http://www.awod.com/netsci/.
-------------------
From: Carlo Nervi <nervi@chpc06.ch.unito.it>
On this URL: http://lem.ch.unito.it/chem_journals.html
I maintain a list of journals, books, and others, related to chemistry.
I'll be grateful, also, to anybody will give us further links.
Thanx,
-------------------
From: "Alexander Hillisch" <hillisch@imb-jena.de>
Hallo CCLers!

An extensive list of available online journals dealing with
Biology/Biochemistry/Chemistry/Comp.Chem/Bioinformatics can be found at:

       http://www.imb-jena.de/journals.html
The first link on this page points to:

       http://golgi.harvard.edu/journals.html

 ...another interesting list of journals.
-------------------
From: "Dong Xu" <xudong@illinois.ncifcrf.gov>
I have a list of journals which cover computational biology/chemistry at
http://illinois.ncifcrf.gov:1234/proteins/journal.html
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======================= END OF SUMMARY: CompChem Journals ============

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Subject: FLUXIONAL MOLECULES


1996 Sept 11

  hassler@ftug01.dnet.tu-graz.ac.at asked about conformational isomerism
and IR/NMR.  Hdere's my $0.01 worth.

Hello,
Sorry if I can't contribute too much to the solution of your problems, but I
have two comments:

(1) Fluxional molecules are systems like cycloheptatriene/norcaradiene, or
    bullvalene.  The term fluxional is usually applied to  molecules that
    participate in *valence tautomerism*, not to conformationally mobile
    molecules (of course, almost all molecules are conformationally
    mobile).

(2)  You say "Two conformers are...not distinguishable on the time scale of
     IR and Ra spectroscopy."  In *NMR* spectroscopy it is common for
     conformationally mobile species to show at room temp. only an average set
     of NMR signals, but to display on cooling the peaks of the individual
     conformers.  However, so far as I know the frequency of IR radiation is
     so much higher than that of radio waves that IR/Raman spectroscopy always
     takes snapshots of the individual conformers.  The freq of rotation about
     single bonds is about 10**12 Hz (ca. 100 cm**-1), while IR radiation has a
     freq of ca. 10**13 Hz (ca. 1000 cm**-1).  So IR does not see the
     individual conformers as a blur.  For example, the IR of butane is a
     superimposition of the IR's of the gauche and anti conformers.

      Ich denke, Sie mu:ssen eine a:usserst niedrige Barrierre haben, wenn es
     nicht mo:glich ist, die individuelle Konformationen zu unterscheiden.
===
  Errol Lewars
====

>Subject: CCL:fluxious molecules
>Sender: Computational Chemistry List <chemistry-request@www.ccl.net>
>To: FULTRX"chemistry@ccl.net"@ccl.net

>Dear members of CCL!

>I have two questions concerning vibrational spectroscopy (IR,Ra) of fluxious
>molecules.
>Problem 1:
<two conformers are separated by a transition barrier that is so small that
>the conformers are not distinguishable on the time scale of IR and Ra
>spectroscopy.
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	We are looking for a program (or even better source code) of a 
program that calculates polarizabilities of molecules.  I am familiar 
with an old (1976) empirical method devised by Miller and Savchik (JACS 
101, 7206) but would like a more recent program adaptable to 
organometallic species, in addition to organics.  Thanks in advance.  
Results will be compiled and reposted.

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> I'm looking for a summary on the packing of organic molecular crystals.
> I know some papers from Kitaigorodskii about the subject but haven't
> found a summary.
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 Dear Steve,

It is pretty broad area you are going into. 
If you are looking for the summary of Kitaigorodskii's papers,
see his books "Molecular Crystals" and "Mixed Crystals".
Both are available in English edition. 
Among more recent books you might be interested in 
"Molecular Crystals" by Willis and "Crystal Engineering" by Desiraju.
Wast reviews were also published (separately) by Gavezzotti,
Bernstein, Leizerovitz, Brock, Murray-Rust and some others.
We did some generalizations on biphenyls and uracils, too:
Russ.J.Phys.Chem. 1992, 66(1) 23-30;
Russ.J.Phys.Chem. 1993, 67(2) 201-217.
More complete list could be obtained from Cambridge Crystallographyic
Database (DBUSE subset).
If you need more details or I misspelled any name above, 
please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards,
Artem

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