From ccl@www.ccl.net Thu Nov 21 03:39:05 1996 Received: from bedrock.ccl.net for ccl@www.ccl.net by www.ccl.net (8.8.2/950822.1) id DAA14301; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:23:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from brage.si.sintef.no for Ole.Swang@si.sintef.no by bedrock.ccl.net (8.8.2/950822.1) id DAA13387; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 03:23:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from lillerud.si.sintef.no (lillerud.si.sintef.no [128.39.214.12]) by brage.si.sintef.no (8.7.5/8.7.3/1.11) with ESMTP id JAA02684 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:23:25 +0100 (MET) From: Ole Swang Received: (from ole@localhost) by lillerud.si.sintef.no (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA04749; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:23:24 +0100 (MET) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 09:23:24 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <199611210823.JAA04749@lillerud.si.sintef.no> To: chemistry@ccl.net Subject: METECC Dear fellow computational chemists, I would greatly appreciate any information on the METECC software. Searching the WWW and the CCL archives yielded a couple of mail addresses, but either my messages bounced or they went unanswered. Thanks in advance, Best regards, Ole Swang ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ole Swang Research Scientist, Dr. Scient. Dept. of Hydrocarbon Process Chemistry, SINTEF Applied Chemistry POB. 124 Blindern, N-0314 Norway. Phone: +47 22 06 74 29 Fax: +47 22 06 73 50 Email: ole.swang@chem.sintef.no ------------------ ._.. ._ ..___ ._ __.. ----------------------------- From gmercier@mail.med.upenn.edu Thu Nov 21 14:49:49 1996 Received: from mail.med.upenn.edu for gmercier@mail.med.upenn.edu by www.ccl.net (8.8.2/950822.1) id OAA17924; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:31:27 -0500 (EST) Received: (from gmercier@localhost) by mail.med.upenn.edu (8.6.12/8.6.12) id OAA12943 for CHEMISTRY@www.ccl.net; Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:30:58 -0500 From: "Gustavo A. Mercier Jr" Message-Id: <199611211930.OAA12943@mail.med.upenn.edu> Subject: Summary Linux/OpenGL/Motif To: CHEMISTRY@www.ccl.net Date: Thu, 21 Nov 1996 14:30:58 -0500 (EST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23-upenn3.1] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, CCL'ers! Below is the summary to my query on OpenGl and Motif libraries for Linux boxes. As somebody suggested, the first thing is to find out what you want to run and then get the libraries that you need. (We did that! :-)) In a nutshell, MESA is the OpenGL for Linux. Lesstif is the MOTIF for Linux, but ... it is still in development. A few commercial vendors where mentioned. See below. One user was satisfied with f2c/g77, but another was not. Unfortunately, I must apologize to the latter user whose message I deleted by mistake (or Freudian Slip!) I also deleted Dr. Janne Ravantti's message that had personal stuff, but his recommendation is in line with the comments made by other users. Bye ****** SUMMARY starts below my signature ****** -- ("`-/")_.-'"``-._ Gustavo A. Mercier,Jr.,MD,PhD (. . `) -._ )-;-,_() Division of Nuclear Medicine (v_,)' _ )`-.\ ``- Dept. of Radiology _;- _,-_/ / ((,' University of Pennsylvania ((,.-' ((,/ 3400 Spruce St. gmercier@mail.med.upenn.edu Philadelphia, PA 19104 215-662-3069/3091 fax: 215-349-5843 --- ****** Hello I'm using OpenGL and Motif from Xinside (www.xinside.com), this is under FreeBSD but they have the same products for Linux.You'l need also de Xserver from Xinside. All the other things you use from XFree86. One observation: the OpenGL implementations around do not have hardware 3D acceleration (or are minimal) so you should use a fast card. A good free OpenGL implementation under X11 in general is Mesa by Brian Paul it does produce very high quality graphics at very good speeds that can run over the wire using standar X11 protocol (OpenGL uses GLX). You can find out more about mesa at: http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~brianp/Mesa.html Pedro ******* Hello. Well, you can buy Motif and OpenGL. I would guess that both of them cost about $200 each but I might be wrong. Motif has been ported to Linux/Xfree by Metrolink and there are at least two companies offering OpenGL. Check e.g. www.li.org or www.linux.org - they might have links to those companies. OpenGL is - as far as I understand - VERY slow. The implementations on Linux/Xfree are basically just emulators, i.e. they run on top of X11. Someone is working on a freeware implementation of Motif, but since I have strong feelings against Motif (looks too much like M$-Windows to me), I don't know the status of that project. < stuff deleted > Best wishes Kenneth +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Kenneth Geisshirt Ph.D.-student | | Department of Life Sciences and Chemistry, Roskilde University | | Currently at: University of Colorado at Boulder | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | kneth@fatou.ruc.dk http://virgil.ruc.dk/~kneth/ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Geek Code 2.1: d++h--s!gp2!aua-w+vc+U++p+L++3EN++K-W---M- | | !V-po+Y+t!5jRG?!tvb++D+B?e---u+h--grn++y+ | +-----------------------------------------------------------------+ ****** I'd generally don't recommend to switch to commercial Xserver. You'll pay money, receive no sources and the tech sup answers that are worse than usenet replies. But this is just my humble opinion. There is a free implementation of OpenGL for Linux. It's called MESA. I don't remember the url now, but you can make search on 'OpenGl free MESA' keywords. Unfortunally, there is no working free implementation of Motif for Linux. Hungry programmers (http://www.hungry.com) are working on it, but their implementation LessTif is WIP - Work In Progress now. There are quite a lot vendors, who sell their Motif for Linux. Typical prices are $30-$50 for runtime and ~$100 for development version. Of course, to compile programs, you'll need the development versions. Check Cheapbytes http://www.cheapbytes.com/ for example. Andrey V Khavryutchenko akhavr@compchem.kiev.ua Interests: Computational Chemistry, OOA&OOP, The Net ******** Hi, maybe you should try "Lesstif" which you can find on the net (Redhat software). This is a freely available Motif clone Steven -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steven Creve steven.creve@chem.kuleuven.ac.be Labo Quantumchemie Celestijnenlaan 200F 3001-HEVERLEE tel: (32) (16) 32 73 93 BELGIUM fax: (32) (16) 32 79 92 ******** Both of them work on top of X11, so they should be considered add-ons. There are several implementations of Motif at reasonable prices for Linux. The OpenGL clone I know of is Mesa, which is a free and portable OpenGL clone relying on nothing more than standard X functions (meaning it doesn't use specialized graphics hardware optimally). You should first make a list of the requirements of all programs you consider interesting. Preparing yourself for anything imaginable might be a waste of time. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Konrad Hinsen | E-Mail: hinsen@ibs.ibs.fr Laboratoire de Dynamique Moleculaire | Tel.: +33-4.76.88.99.28 Institut de Biologie Structurale | Fax: +33-4.76.88.54.94 41, av. des Martyrs | Deutsch/Esperanto/English/ 38027 Grenoble Cedex 1, France | Nederlands/Francais ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- *******