From m.schoonman@organon.akzonobel.nl Fri May 23 03:44:17 1997 Received: from gatekeeper.oss.akzonobel.nl for m.schoonman@organon.akzonobel.nl by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id DAA18918; Fri, 23 May 1997 03:16:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mail@localhost) by gatekeeper.oss.akzonobel.nl (8.7.5/8.7.3) id JAA01452 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:24:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from apou01.akzonobel.nl(145.49.90.59) by gatekeeper.oss.akzonobel.nl via smap (V2.0alpha) id xma001362; Fri, 23 May 97 09:22:57 +0200 Received: by apou01.akzonobel.nl id JAA23890; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:17:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from violet (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by organon.akzonobel.nl (950413.SGI.8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id JAA17354 for ; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:16:28 +0200 Sender: m.schoonman@organon.akzonobel.nl Message-ID: <3385444B.41C6@organon.akzonobel.nl> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:16:28 +0200 From: schoonman Account X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0Gold (X11; I; IRIX 6.2 IP22) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chemistry@www.ccl.net Subject: Threading Programs Online?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Can someone tell me on what website(s) I can find THREADING PROGRAMS which operate online or can be downloaded free of charge? Thank you in advance! ___________________________________________________________________ Marten J.L. Schoonman Organon N.V. RK2340 m.schoonman@organon.akzonobel.nl P.O.Box 20 tel 0412-661469 5340 BH OSS, The Netherlands From wall@bacon.ppc-sun Fri May 23 04:44:11 1997 Received: from bacon.ppc-sun for wall@bacon.ppc-sun by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id DAA19133; Fri, 23 May 1997 03:47:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from wall@localhost) by bacon.ppc-sun (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA10021; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:45:51 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:45:51 +0200 Message-Id: <199705230745.JAA10021@bacon.ppc-sun> From: "Ernst U. Wallenborn" To: res@inorg.chem.ethz.ch, ccl@bacon.ppc-sun, chemistry@www.ccl.net Subject: [alt.folklore.computers] Re: 2001 - why are we getting it wrong? (Re: Year 2000 - leap year ------- Start of forwarded message ------- > > Clive "whose home village is twinned with some unpronouncable suburb of > Lub...Lyub...Ljib...the capital of Slovenia" Feather > Laibach is easy to pronounce, isn't it. ------- End of forwarded message ------- From wall@bacon.ppc-sun Fri May 23 05:00:30 1997 Received: from bacon.ppc-sun for wall@bacon.ppc-sun by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id DAA19138; Fri, 23 May 1997 03:49:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from wall@localhost) by bacon.ppc-sun (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id JAA10025; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:47:42 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 09:47:42 +0200 Message-Id: <199705230747.JAA10025@bacon.ppc-sun> From: "Ernst U. Wallenborn" To: res@inorg.chem.ethz.ch, ccl@bacon.ppc-sun, chemistry@www.ccl.net Subject: [alt.folklore.computers] Re: 2001 - why are we getting it wrong? ------- Start of forwarded message ------- In article , "Thorsten Michels [Theorie Hiwi]" writes >> CMXCVII, CMXCVIII, CMXCIX, M, MI, MII, MIII, MIV... >>(or should that be DCCCCLXXXXVIII, DCCCCLXXXXIX, M, MI...?) >It should be > CMXCVII, CMXCVIII, IM, M, MI, ... Furrfu. VMII, VMIII, IM, M, MI, ... Clive "nslookup XCIV.CCXVII.CCXL.XXXV" Feather -- Clive D.W. Feather | Director of Software Development | Home email: Tel: +44 181 371 1138 | Demon Internet Ltd. | Fax: +44 181 371 1037 | | Abuse: Written on my laptop; please observe the Reply-To address | ------- End of forwarded message ------- From Gerald.Loeffler@univie.ac.at Fri May 23 05:44:16 1997 Received: from mailbox.univie.ac.at for Gerald.Loeffler@univie.ac.at by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id FAA19594; Fri, 23 May 1997 05:14:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gerilap.imp.univie.ac.at (gerilap.imp.univie.ac.at [131.130.80.125]) by mailbox.univie.ac.at (8.8.4/8.8.4) with SMTP id LAA30804; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:13:53 +0200 Message-ID: <33856038.4B53@univie.ac.at> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:15:36 +0200 From: Gerald Loeffler Reply-To: Gerald.Loeffler@univie.ac.at Organization: I.M.P. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: schoonman Account CC: chemistry@www.ccl.net Subject: Re: CCL:Threading Programs Online?? References: <3385444B.41C6@organon.akzonobel.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi! The program THREADER by David Jones is available from http://globin.bio.warwick.ac.uk/~jones/ all the best, gerald schoonman Account wrote: > > Can someone tell me on what website(s) I can find THREADING PROGRAMS > which operate online or can be downloaded free of charge? > Thank you in advance! > > ___________________________________________________________________ > Marten J.L. Schoonman Organon N.V. RK2340 > m.schoonman@organon.akzonobel.nl P.O.Box 20 > tel 0412-661469 5340 BH OSS, The Netherlands > > -------This is added Automatically by the Software-------- > -- Original Sender Envelope Address: m.schoonman@organon.akzonobel.nl > -- Original Sender From: Address: m.schoonman@organon.akzonobel.nl > CHEMISTRY@www.ccl.net: Everybody | CHEMISTRY-REQUEST@www.ccl.net: Coordinator > MAILSERV@www.ccl.net: HELP CHEMISTRY or HELP SEARCH | Gopher: www.ccl.net 73 > Anon. ftp: www.ccl.net | CHEMISTRY-SEARCH@www.ccl.net -- archive search > Web: http://www.ccl.net/chemistry.html -- Gerald Loeffler PostDoc in Theoretical Biochemistry EMail: Gerald.Loeffler@univie.ac.at Phone: +43 1 79730 554 Fax: +43 1 7987153 SMail: I.M.P. - Research Institute of Molecular Pathology Dr. Bohr-Gasse 7 A-1030 Vienna AUSTRIA From alain.kessi@psi.ch Fri May 23 07:44:14 1997 Received: from psizi1.psi.ch for alain.kessi@psi.ch by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id HAA20423; Fri, 23 May 1997 07:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by psizi1.psi.ch (AIX 4.1/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA22970; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:11:11 +0200 Sender: kessi@psizi1.psi.ch Message-Id: <33857B4F.2781@psi.ch> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 13:11:11 +0200 From: Alain Kessi Organization: PSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.0 (X11; I; AIX 1) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: "Ernst U. Wallenborn" Cc: CCL Computational Chemistry List Subject: Re: CCL:[alt.folklore.computers] 2001 - why are we getting it wrong? (Re: Year 2000 - leap year References: <199705230745.JAA10021@bacon.ppc-sun> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ernst U. Wallenborn wrote: > > Clive "whose home village is twinned with some unpronouncable suburb > > of Lub...Lyub...Ljib...the capital of Slovenia" Feather > > Laibach is easy to pronounce, isn't it. It's also easily associated with the Nazi occupiers of Slovenia (although the name Laibach is an old one, it cannot be seen separately from its reintroduction by the Nazis as the official name of Ljubljana). Note that the music group Laibach from Ljubljana took an interesting approach to stating unmistakably their opposition to Nazi ideology, by using the fascist discourse to the extreme (including in their name) and breaking the logic of it, in ways each time adapted to their audience. A practice not without its dangers, to say the least, but apparently they have been quite good at not being mistaken for Nazis. Best, Alain Kessi (Paul Scherrer Institute, Zuerich) P.S.: Sorry 'bout diffusing stuff other than Computational Chemistry over this list, but I felt the previous post could not go unanswered. Please answer privately if you care to comment. From wall@bacon.ppc-sun Fri May 23 09:44:14 1997 Received: from bacon.ppc-sun for wall@bacon.ppc-sun by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id JAA21220; Fri, 23 May 1997 09:40:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from wall@localhost) by bacon.ppc-sun (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id PAA11199; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:39:06 +0200 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:39:06 +0200 Message-Id: <199705231339.PAA11199@bacon.ppc-sun> From: Ernst-Udo Wallenborn To: Alain Kessi Cc: "Ernst U. Wallenborn" , CCL Computational Chemistry List Subject: CCL:[alt.folklore.computers] 2001 - why are we getting it wrong? (Re: Year 2000 - leap year In-Reply-To: <33857B4F.2781@psi.ch> References: <199705230745.JAA10021@bacon.ppc-sun> <33857B4F.2781@psi.ch> Alain Kessi writes: >P.S.: Sorry 'bout diffusing stuff other than Computational Chemistry >over this list, but I felt the previous post could not go unanswered. >Please answer privately if you care to comment. actually i just had a buggy .mailrc file. the mail wasn't meant for ccl at all. your 'could not go unanswered' would be right if i had posted this intentionally on ccl. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth. This will not happen again. From RHERRMAN@nucleus.org.chemie.tu-muenchen.de Fri May 23 09:52:05 1997 Received: from sunsrv5.lrz-muenchen.de for RHERRMAN@nucleus.org.chemie.tu-muenchen.de by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id IAA20933; Fri, 23 May 1997 08:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nucleus.org.chemie.tu-muenchen.de by sunsrv5.lrz-muenchen.de; Fri, 23 May 97 14:59:23 +0200 Received: from NUCLEUS/TEMPQ by nucleus.org.chemie.tu-muenchen.de (Mercury 1.1); Fri, 23 May 97 15:01:25 GMT From: "Dr. Rudolf Herrmann" To: chemistry@www.ccl.net Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:00:55 GMT Subject: Re: CCL:G:CCL as a "Gaussian" Hotline Return-receipt-to: "Dr. Rudolf Herrmann" Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail v3.40 Message-Id: <338594ab7417002@sunsrv5.lrz-muenchen.de> Dear colleagues, I strongly agree with Craig Burkhart's comments on the misuse of the CCL list as a support hotline for GAUSSIAN. A separate mailing list for GAUSSIAN users would probably be the best solution, but I would also be happy if the administrators could start the filters which they have announced pretty soon. Best wishes, happy computing, R.Herrmann.Dr. Rudolf Herrmann Institut fuer Organische Chemie und Biochemie der Technischen Universitaet Muenchen Lichtenbergstr. 4 D-85747 Garching Tel. + 49 - 89 - 28913325 Fax + 49 - 89 - 28912727 From elewars@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca Fri May 23 11:44:16 1997 Received: from alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca for elewars@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id LAA22119; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:44:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from elewars@localhost) by alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca (8.7.4/8.7.3) id LAA21002 for chemistry@www.ccl.net; Fri, 23 May 1997 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: "E. Lewars" Message-Id: <199705231543.LAA21002@alchemy.chem.utoronto.ca> To: chemistry@www.ccl.net Subject: GAUSSIAN HOTLINE? 1997 May 23 CCL AS GAUSSIAN HOTLINE I think it's a matter of balance. Gaussian users should read the manual first (manual--a kind of book), _then_ if necessary contact Gaussian; if that does not work, then I think it's reasonable to resort to the CCL. We should remember that Gaussian is the most widely-used program for doing computational chemistry (the most widely-used ab initio program anyway), so it seems almost natural that on a _computational _chemistry_ list there are going to be a lot of questions about Gaussian. So let's tolerate such queries, when they arise as a last resort. E. Lewars ===== From shenkin@still3.chem.columbia.edu Fri May 23 12:44:22 1997 Received: from mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu for shenkin@still3.chem.columbia.edu by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id MAA22332; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:13:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from still3.chem.columbia.edu (still3.chem.columbia.edu [128.59.112.36]) by mailrelay1.cc.columbia.edu (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA27477 for <@smtp.columbia.edu:CHEMISTRY@www.ccl.net>; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:13:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: by still3.chem.columbia.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/930416.SGI.AUTO) for CHEMISTRY@www.ccl.net id MAA02403; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:12:59 -0400 From: "Peter Shenkin" Message-Id: <9705231212.ZM2401@still3.chem.columbia.edu> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:12:59 -0400 X-Mailer: Z-Mail (3.2.3 08feb96 MediaMail) To: CHEMISTRY@www.ccl.net Subject: Bug affecting MacroModel on SGI O2, Origin, Octane Platforms Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've sent this to the MacroModel user's mailing list (mmodlist@chem.iupui.edu), but it occurs to me that there are probably MacroModel users who read CCL that don't read mmodlist, and I thought this was important enough to post. Also, other program may be affected as well, so perhaps it's of more general interest after all. It turns out that there's a system bug on several SGI platforms that prevents BatchMin from operating correctly. The platforms I know of that are affected are: the O2 and Origin machines; the Octane is probably affected as well. On the O2 the program simply doesn't run, but on the Origin it runs but produces incorrect results -- so watch out! The bug can be fixed in all cases by installing Patch 1775 from SGI. There are also workarounds. The simplest workaround is to run a -mips2 version of BatchMin rather than a -mips4 version; from the GUI, this requires going into the Host selection and selecting a -mips2 version. On the O2, the following alternative also works, if done as root: # cd /usr/lib32 # ln -s mips3/libfastm.so . This creates the file /usr/lib32/libfastm.so as a symbolic link to the version in /usr/lib32/mips3. The nature of the bug on the O2 is two-fold. First, libfastm.so is missing from /usr/lib32, and as a result the mips4 version of BatchMin cannot start up. Second, /usr/lib32/mips4/libfastm.so is defective, and should not be used. Patch 1775 supplies a fixed version, and the workaround described above uses the mips3 version instead, which works but is not quite as highly optimized as a good mips4 version would be. On Origin systems, /usr/lib32/libfastm.so is found, so the program starts up, but the mips4 library is still defective, so the program gives wrong answers. The only workaround which I've verified is to use the mips2 version; in addition, I've verified personally that Patch 1775 fixes the problem. On the O2, earlier versions (pre-6.0) of BatchMin encounter no problems, since for earlier versions only the mips2 version can run on this platform in any case, and this version works well; but on the Origin and (I think) the Octane, which can run 64-bit codes, I would expect that older versions of BatchMin would suffer the same problems as 6.0. (N.B. For Mmod 6.0, we compile our -mips4 code versions using the -n32 ABI, which allows all -mips4 platforms to run the codes; previously, the -mips4 code used the -n64 ABI, which limited execution to IRIX64 platforms, such as the PowerChallenge and Origin.) -P. -- **** "Deep Blue can't triumph in the game of life" (NY Times, 5/13/97) **** * Peter S. Shenkin; Chemistry, Columbia U.; 3000 Broadway, Mail Code 3153 * ** NY, NY 10027; shenkin@columbia.edu; (212)854-5143; FAX: 678-9039 *** *MacroModel WWW page: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/chemistry/mmod/mmod.html * From vedi0999@stallion.jsums.edu Fri May 23 14:44:15 1997 Received: from stallion.jsums.edu for vedi0999@stallion.jsums.edu by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id NAA23054; Fri, 23 May 1997 13:51:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by stallion.jsums.edu (AIX 3.2/UCB 5.64/4.03) id AA27095; Fri, 23 May 1997 12:53:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 12:53:02 -0500 (CDT) From: Venkateswarlu Divi To: chemistry@www.ccl.net Subject: Current Trends in Comp. Chemistry !! Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII FIRST ANNOUNCEMENT May 14, 1997 Dear Colleague: We are pleased to announce the sixth conference on Current Trends in Computational Chemistry. This symposium, organized by Jackson State University, will cover all areas of computational chemistry as well as quantum chemistry. The local host of the conference is the US Army Corps of Engineers Waterways Experiment Station (WES) in Vicksburg, Mississippi. The meeting will be held at the Holiday Inn of Vicksburg, Mississippi (40 miles west of Jackson) on November 7 and 8, 1997. The format consists of a series of plenary lectures and poster presentations on Friday and Saturday, covering applications as well as theory. In addition, a banquet is scheduled for Friday evening and a dinner and reception for Saturday evening. We are planning to publish extended abstracts (up to four pages each) of all invited talks and poster presentations. Original scientific contributions will be published in a special issue of the Journal of Molecular Structure (THEOCHEM). Manuscripts for inclusion in the special issue should be submitted in triplicate upon arrival at the registration desk. Submitted papers will be subject to the journal's standard referee procedures. Sincerely, Jerzy Leszczynski Chairman of the Organizing Committee INVITED SPEAKERS to the 6th Conference on Current Trends in Computational Chemistry Petr Carsky Acad. of Sciences of the Czech Republic Michel Dupuis Pacific Northwest Ntnl Lab. Clifford E. Dykstra Indiana Univ.-Purdue Univ.Indianapolis George R. Famini U.S. Army Edgewood RD&E Center Barry Honig Columbia University Mariusz A. Klobukowski University of Alberta Gilda Loew Molecular Research Institute Hiroshi Nakatsuji Kyoto University Pekka Pyykko University of Helsinki Jean-Louis Rivail Universite Henri Poincare H. Bernhard Schlegel Wayne State University Jack Simons University of Utah James J.P. Stewart Stewart Computational Chemistry 6TH CONFERENCE ON Current Trends In Computational Chemistry NOVEMBER 7 & 8, 1997, Vicksburg, Mississippi. 1. NAME:_______________________________________________________________ MAILINGADDRESS:___________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ TELEPHONE:__________ FAX: ______________ E-MAIL:_________________ 2. If you wish to present a poster, please indicate the title below. All abstracts are due by September 1, 1997 (up to 4 pages in length, presenting author underlined, photo ready quality, in duplicate) to ensure publication in the Conference Materials. TITLE:______________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________________ AUTHORS:__________________________________________________________ 3. Conference materials, banquet and reception fee, all meals from breakfast Friday through dinner Saturday, coffee, and refreshments are included per paid participant. MAKE CHECKS PAYABLE TO: Current Trends in Computational Chemistry. Registration fee before September 1, 1997 US $150.00 $_________ Registration fee thereafter 200.00 $_________ Registration fee at student discount 75.00 $_________ 4. HOUSING: The organizers will not make housing reservations. To reserve a room at the special conference rate of $50.00-$60.00 per room, contact the Holiday Inn of Vicksburg, 3330 Clay Street, Vicksburg, MS 39180, Tel:(601)636-4551, Fax:(601)636-4552. Reservations should be arranged with the Holiday Inn prior to October 10, 1997. I do _____ do not _____ plan to stay at the conference hotel. I do _____ do not _____ plan to submit a paper to the special issue of THEOCHEM. ____________________ Signature http://tiger.jsums.edu:8080/~mikes/compconf.html Department of Chemistry, Jackson State University, Jackson, MS 39217, USA Conference Chairman: Dr. Jerzy Leszczynski, Tel: 601-973-3482, Email: jerzy2.iris5.jsums.edu. Conference Secretary: Ms. Liqun Wong, Tel: 601-973-3723, Email: liqun@tiger.jsums.edu. From stoutepf@carbon.dmpc.com Fri May 23 15:44:22 1997 Received: from gatekeeper.es.dupont.com for stoutepf@carbon.dmpc.com by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id PAA23464; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:06:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: by gatekeeper.es.dupont.com; id PAA16204; Fri, 23 May 1997 15:06:37 -0400 Received: by esds01.es.dupont.com; id AA16648; Fri, 23 May 97 15:06:36 -0400 Received: from [158.117.170.103] (esm170103.dmpc.com [158.117.170.103])by carbon.dmpc.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA07962;Fri, 23 May 1997 15:06:34 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <33856038.4B53@univie.ac.at> References: <3385444B.41C6@organon.akzonobel.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Organization: The DuPont Merck Pharmaceutical Company X-Mailer: Eudora Pro 3.1 for Macintosh Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 15:06:33 -0400 To: chemistry@www.ccl.net From: Pieter Stouten Subject: Re: CCL:Threading Programs Online?? Cc: Marten Schoonman , Gerald.Loeffler@univie.ac.at On 97/05/23 at 11:15 +0200, Gerald Loeffler wrote: >The program THREADER by David Jones is available from >http://globin.bio.warwick.ac.uk/~jones/ > It seems to be available only for academic/non-profit institutions and industrial collaborators of the Protein Bioinformatics group at the University of Warwick. If I may rephrase the original request: does anybody know where to get free/cheap threading programs that can be used by industrial groups? Thanks, Pieter Stouten From cburkhart@goodyear.com Fri May 23 16:44:22 1997 Received: from goodyear.com for cburkhart@goodyear.com by www.ccl.net (8.8.3/950822.1) id QAA23961; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:30:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rdsrv2 by goodyear.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-4.1) id QAA04674; Fri, 23 May 1997 16:30:09 -0400 Received: from rds2721 by rdsrv2 (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA21169; Fri, 23 May 97 16:30:09 EDT Sender: burkhart@goodyear.com Message-Id: <3385FDD5.41C6@goodyear.com> Date: Fri, 23 May 1997 16:28:05 -0400 From: Craig Burkhart Organization: Goodyear Research X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.02S (X11; I; IRIX64 6.2 IP28) Mime-Version: 1.0 To: Computational Chemistry List Subject: CCL as Gaussian Hotline...Finale Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear Netters, I thank all who have replied publicly and privately concerning my statements about the usage of the CCL as a de facto Gaussian, Inc "hotline" service. Pandora's box has indeed been opened! Several items recur in the responses: 1) Gaussian users remark that they do eventually get responses from Gaussian, Inc--but often it takes a "couple" of days. 2) That Gaussian users are "quick to ask but slow to read". 3) That the user base may be very large [but only Gaussian knows for sure :) ]. Recommendations have included: 1) Establishment of a mail-exploder for Gaussian Users. 2) Hiring of new customer support staff by Gaussian, Inc. I concur with all the items above. In particular, the establishment of recommendation #1 would be easy to implement for Gaussian, Inc., and would resolve much of the noise level on the CCL. However, I submit to the readership at-large that Gaussian to-date has chosen not to provide customer support at an acceptable level. There are many companies much smaller who have done an admirable job with customer support, both in terms of telephone and electronic support. I would like this line of discussion to close for the time being and reserve final judgment until some action (or lack thereof) occurs. Some have preached tolerance. Well I think many of us have been more than tolerant with the status quo for way too long. Once again, I thank all who have contributed to the discussion. Let's keep the CCL an effective way to ask and contribute information. Sincerely yours, Craig Burkhart cburkhart@goodyear.com