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Dear Kalju,
    sorry for answering so late, but I just saw your message of Feb. 12,
1999.
In a paper of 1994, we addressed the problem of BSSE and geometry
deformation. You can find it in JPC 98 (1994) 486-493. Please, notice
that the third line of eq. (3) should end with a minus (-) sign (and not
with = as mistyped).
    Hoping this can help
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contained in TCA 85 (1993) 167-187 and Mol. Engineering 2 (1992)
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Dear all,

I wonder has anyone tried to compile G94 or G98 under Linix using g77.
I have tried to use f2c and successfully compile G94, but some
executables
do not function properly. While compiling G98 using f2c failed. I would
appreciate any suggestion. Thanks

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On Thu, 15 Jul 1999, lo presti eleonora wrote:

> Dear  CCLers,
> I am working with a set of flexible molecules containing  a ciclopentyloxy
> residue and I am  getting thousands of conformers from MonteCarlo search.
> By cluster analysis these conformers  are grouped in two or three big families
>  instead of being uniformely grouped. Is this something that could happen with
> very flexible molecules?

Yes, it can happen, especially if there are strong intramolecular
interactions that can form in several different ways.

> Shall I take into consideration only the lead of the most populated groups or
> all conformers selected by cluster analysis?

That's harder to say.  It depends on what you want to do.  In XCluster,
one thing we do is printout the "most representative" structure from
a cluster.  This is the one that is closest to the "average" structure
(the latter being the "structure" each of whose atoms is at the centroid
of the positions of the corresponding set of atoms in the cluster.)
Of course, the average structure may not look much like a molecule.

Hope this helps a little,
-P.

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I have recieved a number of replies regarding movies of a MD
simulation.  An overwhelming majority of people have suggested that I
use VMD

http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/vmd/

for this purpose.


Other suggestions include the moviemaker utility inherent in SGI's as
well as gopenmol

http://laaksonen.csc.fi/gopenmol/gopenmol.html



I would like to thank everyone who replied to my query

Regards

Deepak.


Deepak Singh wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have been asked to make a movie (preferably in avi format) of a MD
> simulation for a high school program that we have.  I am not quite sure
> how to go about doing this.  Note .. all my MD simulation have been
> performed using CHARMM.
> 
> Any help about methods or packages which can do this would be welcome.
> 
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> 
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Dear all,
     Did anyone compile autodock 3.0 in linux successfully?
     And how to modify Makefile?

Sincerely Yours,

FengLou Mao
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Dear Kathe, and the LEAPFROG user fraternity.

Earlier this year I sent an EMAIL to the CCL, regarding the reliability of
the LEAPFROG binding free energy calculations for ligand ranking and you
were kind enough to email me with some answers.

I have been using LEAPFROG for a while now to try and propose some xxxxxx
binding ligands using oligopeptides as the initial approach.  Well to be
completely honest none of the dozens of peptides proposed by LEAPFROG
worked at all.  This is a problem for me,because my PhD was to use de novo
and rational design to try and find something.  In the end I rationally
designed a xxxxxxx with xxxxxx (censored) amino acids and this seems to
work splendidly, phew...

The key problem now is WHAT WENT WRONG ! and how could this be improved upon ?

I have been trying to find literature where LEAPFROG has been evaluated,
tried and tested by reproducing known ligands in binding site.  I have
access to a very powerfull literature tool known as BIDS (based at Bath
Uni, UK. www.bids.ac.uk) this has the abstract of every quality journal
since 1980.  

We cannot find a single reference that refers to LEAPFROG. 

Talking to the UK technical support at Tripos, the algorithms in LEAPFROG
are proprietary and therefore information on the precalculation of
interaction points, empirical binding scoring mechanism, forcefields used
if any, means of geometry optimisation and so forth, are not available for
the world to see.  The only information I can find is a list of authors on
the first page of LEAPFROG and some quite old references at the back.

If LEAPFROG is based on the assumptions from these old references (after
our  literature research, these assumptions are often have several flaws,
of which many have been addressed in later versions) then this program is
due some severe maintainance, of which we assume is already done since this
is a proprietary program. But has it ?! If this has been done then why not
tell us exactly what assumptions it uses ! and to top that, give us the
references that they have based the algorithm so we can use both chemical
insight with more understanding where and why the algorithms propose
non-sensible solutions.

There have been some quite fantastic developments in de novo design
recently, including CONCEPTS, BRANCH&BOUND, PRO_LIGAND.  Why has not
LEAPFROG adopted some new ideas ?  

I have heard from several sources that nobody is too bothered with de novo
design today, but prefer VHTS with databases for initial lead finding. Even
construct 3D stuctural databases with your own designer diversities.  

Databases of proprietary drug leads may contain upwards of 500,000
compounds, but these have been sourced from complexes with active centers
often in deep clefts within proteins. What happens if you want to look at
active sites with only quite shallow binding clefts or even surface binding
sites.  I cant imaging many compounds from such a database being a lead or
"provoker" for such a surface borne active site.  

Well make your own database of structures and dock them !!
-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

How are you supposed to design a diversity library for VHTS if you dont
know where to take your "base" structures from ?  Answer, the use of a de
novo tool.  The arguement that de novo design techniques are not worth
developing because nobody wants them, is misguided.

So to put it overly bluntly. 

Where is LEAPFROG 1999, to go with the maintenance fees ?


Yours Faithfully,


Richard Day.


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Dear all,

	I had to change MAX_TORS (constants.h) to a higher value (50). Execution of the
	program ends with a core dump and a 'Segmentation fault' message. 
	I appreciate any help.

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Dear Richard

This posting touches on a theme that was raised in a question a few days ago
discussing the differences between protein secondary structure prediction in
Weblab Viewer (MSI) and Rasmol. The issue is one of the publication of the
underlying algorithm within a piece of code. It is this that represents the real
intellectual input and needs to be visible, in order to be judged, when the method
is used as part of a scientific publication. Weblab Viewer and Rasmol may
use somewhat different algorithms, they may have different behaviour, but at least
the Rasmol code is available and anyone who is interested can study the code,
work out what is happening, and posibly even improve the method. If the code
is not available then the onus is on the program supplier to document the program
to such an extent that the algorithm is clear. In fairness to MSI they are document

most of their programs to a high level of detail. I cannot comment on Leapfrog as a

specific case, but if the vendor claims a method to be proprietary, and the
algorithm
is not described in detail, or at all, then the buyer only has the performance on a

limited number of test cases that they can use to evaluate the product. Caveat
Emptor.

Bye for now,

Mark F

Richard M Day wrote:

> Dear Kathe, and the LEAPFROG user fraternity.
>
> Earlier this year I sent an EMAIL to the CCL, regarding the reliability of
> the LEAPFROG binding free energy calculations for ligand ranking and you
> were kind enough to email me with some answers.
>
> I have been using LEAPFROG for a while now to try and propose some xxxxxx
> binding ligands using oligopeptides as the initial approach.  Well to be
> completely honest none of the dozens of peptides proposed by LEAPFROG
> worked at all.  This is a problem for me,because my PhD was to use de novo
> and rational design to try and find something.  In the end I rationally
> designed a xxxxxxx with xxxxxx (censored) amino acids and this seems to
> work splendidly, phew...
>
> The key problem now is WHAT WENT WRONG ! and how could this be improved upon ?
>
> I have been trying to find literature where LEAPFROG has been evaluated,
> tried and tested by reproducing known ligands in binding site.  I have
> access to a very powerfull literature tool known as BIDS (based at Bath
> Uni, UK. www.bids.ac.uk) this has the abstract of every quality journal
> since 1980.
>
> We cannot find a single reference that refers to LEAPFROG.
>
> Talking to the UK technical support at Tripos, the algorithms in LEAPFROG
> are proprietary and therefore information on the precalculation of
> interaction points, empirical binding scoring mechanism, forcefields used
> if any, means of geometry optimisation and so forth, are not available for
> the world to see.  The only information I can find is a list of authors on
> the first page of LEAPFROG and some quite old references at the back.
>
> If LEAPFROG is based on the assumptions from these old references (after
> our  literature research, these assumptions are often have several flaws,
> of which many have been addressed in later versions) then this program is
> due some severe maintainance, of which we assume is already done since this
> is a proprietary program. But has it ?! If this has been done then why not
> tell us exactly what assumptions it uses ! and to top that, give us the
> references that they have based the algorithm so we can use both chemical
> insight with more understanding where and why the algorithms propose
> non-sensible solutions.
>
> There have been some quite fantastic developments in de novo design
> recently, including CONCEPTS, BRANCH&BOUND, PRO_LIGAND.  Why has not
> LEAPFROG adopted some new ideas ?
>
> I have heard from several sources that nobody is too bothered with de novo
> design today, but prefer VHTS with databases for initial lead finding. Even
> construct 3D stuctural databases with your own designer diversities.
>
> Databases of proprietary drug leads may contain upwards of 500,000
> compounds, but these have been sourced from complexes with active centers
> often in deep clefts within proteins. What happens if you want to look at
> active sites with only quite shallow binding clefts or even surface binding
> sites.  I cant imaging many compounds from such a database being a lead or
> "provoker" for such a surface borne active site.
>
> Well make your own database of structures and dock them !!
> -=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-==-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> How are you supposed to design a diversity library for VHTS if you dont
> know where to take your "base" structures from ?  Answer, the use of a de
> novo tool.  The arguement that de novo design techniques are not worth
> developing because nobody wants them, is misguided.
>
> So to put it overly bluntly.
>
> Where is LEAPFROG 1999, to go with the maintenance fees ?
>
> Yours Faithfully,
>
> Richard Day.
>
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Richard M Day wrote:
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> I have heard from several sources that nobody is too bothered with de novo
> design today, but prefer VHTS with databases for initial lead finding. Even
> construct 3D stuctural databases with your own designer diversities.
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> The arguement that de novo design techniques are not worth
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I'd be interested to hear from others about this. Is de novo
design passe? What do most groups use docking for?

Richard Gillilan
Cornell Theory Center
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Hi

Does anyone know offhand what the scaling factors for HF/LANL2DZ and
B3LYP/LANL2DZ are or where I can find them?

Thanks,

Raelene


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