From chemistry-request ":at:" ccl.net Wed May 28 13:49:51 2003 Received: from puck.reed.edu (puck.reed.edu [134.10.2.8]) by server.ccl.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with SMTP id h4SHnpgC012697 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 13:49:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 14818 invoked from network); 28 May 2003 17:49:49 -0000 Received: from rosencrantz.reed.edu (134.10.2.31) by puck.reed.edu with SMTP; 28 May 2003 17:49:49 -0000 Message-id: <14138338:at:rosencrantz.reed.edu> Date: 28 May 2003 10:49:48 PDT From: Alan.Shusterman:at:directory.reed.edu (Alan Shusterman) Subject: CCL: Orbitals To: chemistry:at:ccl.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by server.ccl.net id h4SHnqgC012698 Some of the postings on this subject have cited *correlations* between orbital properties and physical observables as evidence that orbitals "in some sense" exist. example: If MOs have no physical reality for multielectron species, why (a) is Koopmans' theorem useful, why (b) do photoelectron spectra match the predictions of MO energy-level diagrams, and why (c) does the Hueckel 4n+2 rule, which is based on MO diagrams, work? (E. Lewars) example: Orbitals can also, in a sense, be observed experimentally. (M. Johansson) I'm sympathetic to these statements, but I prefer Jens' point of view. I am writing not to cast my vote, but to point out an interesting (to me, anyway) parallel. I teach organic chemistry every fall semester, and every year I must convince my students that *resonance contributors* do not exist even though one can correlate physical observables with the properties of these contributors. Some may still insist that, "if we routinely think of object X to make a prediction, then object X exists, at least in our minds". This is an interesting idea, but I don't think that it relates well to "existence" in the way chemists use this word. I'd like to thank everyone who has contributed to this discussion so far. It has been interesting. -Alan ==== Alan Shusterman Department of Chemistry Reed College Portland, OR academic.reed.edu/chemistry/alan/