From chemistry-request@ccl.net Wed May 28 11:34:01 2003 Received: from uni-kl.de (mail.uni-kl.de [131.246.137.52]) by server.ccl.net (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4SFY0gC007981 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 11:34:00 -0400 Received: from mailgate1.uni-kl.de (mailgate1.uni-kl.de [131.246.120.5]) by uni-kl.de (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h4SFXxHt019886 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:33:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from service.chemie.uni-kl.de (service.chemie.uni-kl.de [131.246.58.77]) by mailgate1.uni-kl.de (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id h4SFXxP5003291 for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:33:59 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by service.chemie.uni-kl.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB9836CFE for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:32:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc1.chemie.uni-kl.de (pc1.chemie.uni-kl.de [131.246.58.1]) by service.chemie.uni-kl.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B011336CFD for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:32:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pc3 (pc3.chemie.uni-kl.de [131.246.58.3]) by pc1.chemie.uni-kl.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 398F413CAE for ; Wed, 28 May 2003 17:33:58 +0200 (CEST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Elmar Gerwalin Reply-To: elg-.at.-chemie.uni-kl.de To: chemistry-.at.-ccl.net Subject: Re: CCL:Spam, CCL, and me... Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 17:33:57 +0200 User-Agent: KMail/1.4.3 References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200305281733.57663.elg-.at.-chemie.uni-kl.de> X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS 0.3.12pre8 Hello ! Would'n it be a good idea to convert the CCL Mailing list to a newsgroup ? Maybe this would have other disadvantages, but bringing much advantages, too: Sorted threads, moderation, reading by web interface, ... Bye Elmar On Wednesday 28 May 2003 17:11, Jan Labanowski wrote: > The question from subscriber prompted this message to all subscribers. > > 1) I do understand subscribers concerns that they do not want to post to > CCL from their company/university e-mail address. Yes, there are > policies, and liabilities involved. Yes, it is much safer to post from you > PRIVATE email address. However, there is an advantage to post from > company/university address. > > 2) The reason for posting with the company/university address is that > I very reluctantly put them onto a blacklist. That is, you can post from > these addresses and your mail will not have "Access denied" bounce. > The private accounts like on yahoo.com or hotmail.com, etc., often > have problems posting to CCL since the respective domains are on > the blacklist (since I get tons of spam from them). > > 3) You can post to CCL from ANY address on Earth, assuming that the subnet > from which you post is not blacklisted. If it is blacklisted (i.e., > mail bounces with 'Access denied' from chemistry-.at.-ccl.net), you need > to send your message to me: jkl-.at.-ccl.net so I resend it. The subscription > list is not checked when deciding if message can be posted. Your > subscription address is only the address WHERE YOU GET MAIL from CCL. > You do not have to use it to POST to CCL. So you can still receive mail > to your company address, but post to CCL from your private address, or your > friend's private address, whatever it it. > > 4) As I said, many "free e-mail accounts" will have problem posting, since > the providers of such service also provide a opportunity for spammers. > Now, if your mail from the private address bounces from CCL, send it to > jkl-.at.-ccl.net (I do not have a blacklist attached to this address, to my > demise and despair) and I will resend message to CCL for you. > > 5) Read the bottom of the messages you receive from CCL. For example, > when you post to CCL, put the four letter word, CCL:, somewhere on > the Subject line. It will prevent your message to go to unconditional > manual review (it may well still end up there if you use some words > which are often found in spam messages or some other things in your message > may be "suspisious" to the CCL scripts). > > Please understand that CCL gets about 1000 spam messages a day. > You see only one in a month or less, on average, but it happens because > I work on the principle 'better safe than sorry'. Of course, > once you have to screen mail manually or automatically, it will > cause delays and often human errors. Oh well... There are people out > there who screwed it up for all of us... We need a new e-mail standard > which authenticates the sender of mail. I will gladly receive all my > spam, if they pay me a $1 per each message. I would be a millionaire by > now... > > > Jan K. Labanowski | phone: 614-292-9279, FAX: 614-292-7168 > Ohio Supercomputer Center | E-mail: jkl-.at.-ccl.net > 1224 Kinnear Rd, | http://www.ccl.net/~jkl > Columbus, OH 43212-1163 | http://www.ccl.net/ http://asdn.net/ > > > > -= This is automatically added to each message by mailing script =- > To send e-mail to subscribers of CCL put the string CCL: on your Subject: > line and send your message to: CHEMISTRY-.at.-ccl.net > > Send your subscription/unsubscription requests to: > CHEMISTRY-REQUEST-.at.-ccl.net HOME Page: http://www.ccl.net | Jobs Page: > http://www.ccl.net/jobs > > If your mail is bouncing from CCL.NET domain send it to the maintainer: > Jan Labanowski, jkl-.at.-ccl.net (read about it on CCL Home Page) > -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ -- ======================================================== Elmar Gerwalin , University of Kaiserslautern,Germany Dept. of Theoretical Chemistry and IT Service Team elg-.at.-chemie.uni-kl.de 0631-205-2749 ========================================================