Re: CCL:Spam, CCL, and me...

Hello !
 Would'n it be a good idea to convert the CCL Mailing list to a newsgroup ?
 Maybe this would have other disadvantages, but bringing much advantages, too:
 Sorted threads, moderation, reading by web interface, ...
 Bye
 Elmar
 On Wednesday 28 May 2003 17:11, Jan Labanowski wrote:
 > The question from subscriber prompted this message to all subscribers.
 >
 > 1) I do understand subscribers concerns that they do not want to post to
 >    CCL from their company/university e-mail address. Yes, there are
 > policies, and liabilities involved. Yes, it is much safer to post from you
 > PRIVATE email address. However, there is an advantage to post from
 > company/university address.
 >
 > 2) The reason for posting with the company/university address is that
 >    I very reluctantly put them onto a blacklist. That is, you can post from
 >    these addresses and your mail will not have "Access denied"
 bounce.
 >    The private accounts like on yahoo.com or hotmail.com, etc., often
 >    have problems posting to CCL since the respective domains are on
 >    the blacklist (since I get tons of spam from them).
 >
 > 3) You can post to CCL from ANY address on Earth, assuming that the subnet
 >    from which you post is not blacklisted. If it is blacklisted (i.e.,
 >    mail bounces with 'Access denied' from chemistry-.at.-ccl.net), you need
 >    to send your message to me: jkl-.at.-ccl.net so I resend it. The
 subscription
 >    list is not checked when deciding if message can be posted. Your
 >    subscription address is only the address WHERE YOU GET MAIL from CCL.
 >    You do not have to use it to POST to CCL. So you can still receive mail
 > to your company address, but post to CCL from your private address, or your
 > friend's private address, whatever it it.
 >
 > 4) As I said, many "free e-mail accounts" will have problem
 posting, since
 >    the providers of such service also provide a opportunity for spammers.
 >    Now, if your mail from the private address bounces from CCL, send it to
 >    jkl-.at.-ccl.net (I do not have a blacklist attached to this address, to
 my
 >    demise and despair) and  I will resend message to CCL for you.
 >
 > 5) Read the bottom of the messages you receive from CCL. For example,
 >    when you post to CCL, put the four letter word, CCL:, somewhere on
 >    the Subject line. It will prevent your message to go to unconditional
 >    manual review (it may well still end up there if you use some words
 > which are often found in spam messages or some other things in your message
 > may be "suspisious" to the CCL scripts).
 >
 > Please understand that CCL gets about 1000 spam messages a day.
 > You see only one in a month or less, on average, but it happens because
 > I work on the principle 'better safe than sorry'. Of course,
 > once you have to screen mail manually or automatically, it will
 > cause delays and often human errors. Oh well... There are people out
 > there who screwed it up for all of us... We need a new e-mail standard
 > which authenticates the sender of mail. I will gladly receive all my
 > spam, if they pay me a $1 per each message. I would be a millionaire by
 > now...
 >
 >
 > Jan K. Labanowski         |  phone: 614-292-9279,  FAX: 614-292-7168
 > Ohio Supercomputer Center |  E-mail: jkl-.at.-ccl.net
 > 1224 Kinnear Rd,          |  http://www.ccl.net/~jkl
 > Columbus, OH 43212-1163   |  http://www.ccl.net/    http://asdn.net/
 >
 >
 >
 > -= This is automatically added to each message by mailing script =-
 > To send e-mail to subscribers of CCL put the string CCL: on your Subject:
 > line and send your message to:  CHEMISTRY-.at.-ccl.net
 >
 > Send your subscription/unsubscription requests to:
 > CHEMISTRY-REQUEST-.at.-ccl.net HOME Page: http://www.ccl.net   | Jobs Page:
 > http://www.ccl.net/jobs
 >
 > If your mail is bouncing from CCL.NET domain send it to the maintainer:
 > Jan Labanowski,  jkl-.at.-ccl.net (read about it on CCL Home Page)
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 Elmar Gerwalin ,   University of Kaiserslautern,Germany
                    Dept. of Theoretical Chemistry
                    and  IT Service Team
                    elg-.at.-chemie.uni-kl.de    0631-205-2749
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