From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Jul 16 15:44:00 2006 From: "MIQUEL =?iso-8859-1?Q?SOL=C0_I_PUIG?= miquel.sola]_[udg.es" To: CCL Subject: CCL:G: Can we find the transition state of SN1 reaction by using Message-Id: <-32149-060716143737-11644-GfsV69P2lpZpHQvNc3AtUg**server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: MIQUEL =?iso-8859-1?Q?SOL=C0_I_PUIG?= Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:28:00 +0200 (CEST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: MIQUEL =?iso-8859-1?Q?SOL=C0_I_PUIG?= [miquel.sola.^.udg.es] Dear Wenrui and Steve, We addressed this question some years ago. We found that the energy profile for the Ch3Cl -> CH3+ + Cl- reaction in the gas phase increases monotonically, whereas the presence of either uniform electric fields or solvents changes the energy profile, causing the appearance of a transition state and the increase of the exothermicity of the process. The reference is: M. Solŕ, E. Carbonell, A. Lledós, M. Duran and J. Bertrán. "Ab initio study of the effect of external perturbations in the dissociation of CH3Cl" J. Mol. Struct. (THEOCHEM) 255 (1992) 283-296. Hope this helps, Miquel > Sent to CCL by: Steve Bowlus [chezbowlus!A!goldrush.com] > It would not surprise me that this type of reaction must be modeled with > explicit solvent. Stabilization of the products relative to the TS is > attained by solvation of the separated ions, i.e. the physical "flow" of > solvent between the nascent ions, and the direct (dipolar?) interaction > of solvent with the ions. Most physical organic books should have a > discussion of solvent-separated reaction partners, and most likely SN1 > reactions in particular. > > Cheers, > Steve > > > Wenrui Zheng wenruizheng:gmail.com wrote: >> Sent to CCL by: "Wenrui Zheng" [wenruizheng..gmail.com] >> >> Dear all, >> Recently I have failed to find the transition state of the first step >> of solvolyses of alkyl halide RX,for example tert-Butylchloride in >> methanol solvent >> by using Gaussian03. >> RX->R+ + X- >> Following the lengths of C-Cl increasing,the potential energy rises all >> along,which >> is the same with the case of in methanol solvent by using PCM model. >> >> Now I have some questions: >> 1. Can we on earth find the transition state of SN1 reaction by using >> Gaussian03? >> >> 2. Is traditional transition state theory adapt to any system for >> example this one ? >> If it is true then how can this kind of reaction happen and how can we >> calculate the >> reaction rate? >> >> Regards, >> >> Wenrui Zheng> > > >