CCL:G: TD-DFT opt failing in G09
- From: Zhou Panwang <pwzhou#%#gmail.com>
- Subject: CCL:G: TD-DFT opt failing in G09
- Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 15:43:59 +0800
I have consulted this question with Gaussian Technique Support, and following
are their answers. Please notice the last paragraph.
Also, you can try use
the last structure to restart the optimization or add the direct options to
TDDFT.
In the case of "No map to state **, you need to resolve more
vectors" messages, this is usually an indication that one did not include
enough excited states in the TD or CIS calculation. The "States=N"
option to the "TD" or "CIS" keywords tells how many excited
states to include in an excited state energy calculation. If this is not
specified, the default value will be "States=3". The recommended value
is to include a minimum of 2 or 3 more states than the state of interest. Thus,
if you want to perform a geometry optimization for excited state 5, for example,
I would recommend at least using "States=7" or "States=8".
The geometry optimization will be done for one excited state M, selected with
"Root=M", and one has to make sure that enough states are included in
the CIS or TD expansion by having "States=N" where N is larger than
M.
It is possible that, at some point during an optimization of an excited
state, the order of the excited states changes and the CIS or TD expansion might
need to include more states in order to be able to follow correctly the state of
interest. This is essentially what that message about including more vectors
mean, that is that at that point, the number of states that you originally
specified with "States=N" was not enough in order to solve for the
state of interest, so a larger number "N" will need to be used for
"States=N".
Other times, the problem is that the ground state wavefunction becomes
unstable, that is one of the states that was an excited at the initial geometry
now becomes lower in energy than the state that was the ground state at the
initial geometry. This kind of situation, unfortunately, cannot be modeled
properly with single determinant expansions such as CIS or TD, and one would
need to use CAS in order to be able to deal with the conical intersection or
avoided crossing of states.
Another thing to note is that one should be much more careful with geometry
optimizations on excited states than for the ground state. Typically the energy
differences among excited states are smaller than between the ground state and
the first excited state. Thus, one can afford to perform larger geometry
optimization steps when optimizing the ground state than in the case of
optimizing an excited state.
A "bad" geometry optimization step in the optimization of the
ground state, may take you a bit off track but in following steps the
optimization might find the way back and approach the converged structure. In
the case of an optimization of an excited state, a "bad" geometry
optimization step will also take you off track but, since other electronic
states are close in energy, it is possible that at the new geometry the order of
the excited states change and now the geometry optimization follows a different
electronic state.
This is not only a problem because the optimization could be pursuing a
different state than the one you were interested in, but also because, if
several of these changes occur during a geometry optimization, it may even be
hopeless to continue with the optimization because the gradient information and
the estimated hessian could be useless (since not all the previous points in the
geometry optimization where points from the same potential energy surface).
As a first measure to increase the reliability of the geometry optimization
of excited states, I recommend to reduce the maximum allowed step size during
geometry optimizations. Try "Opt=(MaxStep=10)" to set this value to
0.10 Bohr, or a smaller value if you still have problems. The default value is
typically 0.30 Bohr. Reducing the maximum allowed step size will result in the
geometry optimization taking more steps to reach convergence than with the
default value. This will be true obviously for well-behaved geometry
optimizations, but for problematic cases it will be the other way around, i.e.
it will take fewer steps (and may even be impossible with the default step size)
because it will be easier for the optimizer to follow a particular electronic
state if the changes from step to step are not very drastic.
2010/4/1 Jamin Krinsky
jamink_-_berkeley.edu
<owner-chemistry_-_ccl.net>
Sent to CCL by: Jamin Krinsky [jamink(~)berkeley.edu]
Dear forum,
I have a user who is getting a mysterious failure message while
attempting TD-DFT optimizations in G09. It's related to link 914 but
it doesn't make sense. Here is the route section:
#p opt td=(singlets,nstates=6,root=1) rb3lyp/6-31+g(d) nosymm
int=ultrafine scf(xqc,maxconventionalcycles=60)
The calculation runs for 6 geometry steps but the first excited state
energy is quite oscillatory. At the 7th step, it quits with the
following error:
No map to state 1
You need to solve for more vectors in order to follow this state.
Error termination via Lnk1e in /usr/software/gaussian/g09.revA02/l914.exe
If he's following the 1st excited state then he shouldn't need more
states (increasing "nstates" to 20 does not help). I've never
seen
this although my experience with this algorithm is minimal, and
although that error has come up a couple of times in these threads I
haven't seen a conclusive explanation. Any help with this would be
appreciated.
Regards,
Jamin
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http://glab.cchem.berkeley.edu
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