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Sear Sue, perhaps have a look at Ho J., Klamt A., Coote M.L. Comment on the correct use of continuum solvent models. J. Phys. Chem. A (2010), 114(51), 13442–13444 This exactly handles your questions. Best regards Andreas Am 31.10.2011 19:24, schrieb Arne Dieckmann adieckma(_)googlemail.com: Sent to CCL by: Arne Dieckmann [adieckma]=[googlemail.com] Dear Sue, here is a link to the Gaussian 03 User Reference Guide answering your question: http://www.inc.bme.hu/common/g03_man/g_ur/k_scrf.htm You have to use the total free energy in solution with all non-electrostatic terms. Cheers, Arne - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dr. Arne Dieckmann Houk Research Lab University of California, Los Angeles email: adieckma[A]googlemail.com On Oct 31, 2011, at 7:12 AM, Sue Lam chsue2004^^^yahoo.com wrote:Dear Arne, Thanks for your reply. Sorry for the confusion. Below is an example from the Gaussian manual. For the output file in Gaussian 03, we could obtain (1) Total free energy in solution: with all non electrostatic terms (2) Solvent-phase electronic energies, which is the value associated with SCF(Done) I am not sure which value I should use if I include the thermal correction to Gibbs free energy from the vibrational frequency calculation. SCF Done: E(RHF) = -98.569083211 A.U. after 5 cycles Convg = 0.4249D-05 -V/T = 2.0033 S**2 = 0.0000 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Variational PCM results ======================= <psi(f)| H |psi(f)> (a.u.) = -98.568013 <psi(f)|H+V(f)/2|psi(f)> (a.u.) = -98.569083 Total free energy in solution: with all non electrostatic terms (a.u.) = -98.573228 -------------------------------------------------------------------- (Polarized solute)-Solvent (kcal/mol) = -3.27 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Cavitation energy (kcal/mol) = 5.34 Dispersion energy (kcal/mol) = -3.08 Repulsion energy (kcal/mol) = 0.34 Total non electrostatic (kcal/mol) = 2.60 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Best regards, Sue --- On Mon, 10/31/11, Arne Dieckmann adieckma**googlemail.com <owner-chemistry::ccl.net> wrote:From: Arne Dieckmann adieckma**googlemail.com <owner-chemistry::ccl.net>Subject: CCL:G: Solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies To: "L, Sue " <chsue2004::yahoo.com> Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 12:48 PM Sent to CCL by: Arne Dieckmann [adieckma###googlemail.com] Hi Sue, the two methods you are describing are exactly the same, as you are only changing the order in which different quantities are added. Cheers, Arne On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:08 PM, Sue L chsue2004^^yahoo.com wrote:Sent to CCL by: "Sue L" [chsue2004]_[yahoo.com] Dear CCL users, Could someone help me with the following question? If I want to calculate the solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies of the molecules based on the gas-phase optimized geometry usinf gaussian 03. Which of the following methods is more appropriate?From the vibrational frequency calculation of the gas-phase optimized structure, I could obtain the thermal correction to Gibbs Free EnergyFrom the single-point PCM calculation, I could obtain the total free energy in solution: with all non electrostatic terms as well as solvent-phase electronic energies (The energy value associated with SCF(Done))(1) The solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies = the total free energy in solution + thermal correction to Gibbs Free Energy Or (2) The solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies = gas-phase Gibbs free energies + (solvent-phase electronic energies - gas-phase electronic energies) Thank you very much for your kind help. Best regards, Sue--130478739-893504848-1320070366=:1570Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Calibri>Dear Arne,<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Calibri>Thanks for your reply. Sorry for the confusion.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK">Below is an example from the Gaussian manual. </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Calibri>For the output file in Gaussian 03, we could obtain<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Calibri>(1) Total free energy in solution: with all non electrostatic terms <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>(2) </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK">S</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">olvent-phase electronic energies</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK">, which is the value </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">associated with SCF(Done</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK">)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I am not sure which value I should use if I include the </FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">thermal correction to Gibbs free energy</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"> from the </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">vibrational frequency calculation</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK">.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">SCF Done:<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>E(RHF) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>-98.569083211</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>A.U. after<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>5 cycles <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>Convg<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>=<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>0.4249D-05<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>-V/T =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>2.0033 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>S**2<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>=<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>0.0000 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">-------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Variational PCM results<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">======================= <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><psi(f)|<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>H<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>|psi(f)><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(a.u.) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>-98.568013 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><psi(f)|H+V(f)/2|psi(f)><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(a.u.) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>-98.569083<B><o:p></o:p></B></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: #003399; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Total free energy in solution: <o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: #003399; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>with all non electrostatic terms<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(a.u.) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>-98.573228</SPAN></B><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">-------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">(Polarized solute)-Solvent<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>-3.27 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">-------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Cavitation energy<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>5.34 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Dispersion energy<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>-3.08 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Repulsion energy<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>0.34 <B><o:p></o:p></B></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Total non electrostatic<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>2.60 </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt 137.4pt 183.2pt 229.0pt 274.8pt 320.6pt 366.4pt 412.2pt 458.0pt 503.8pt 549.6pt 595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">-------------------------------------------------------------------- <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK">Sue<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV> <P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><o:p><FONT size=3 face=Calibri> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV><BR><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 10/31/11, Arne Dieckmann adieckma**googlemail.com <I><owner-chemistry::ccl.net></I></B> wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Arne Dieckmann adieckma**googlemail.com <owner-chemistry::ccl.net><BR>Subject: CCL:G: Solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies<BR>To: "L, Sue " <chsue2004::yahoo.com><BR>Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 12:48 PM<BR><BR> <DIV class=plainMail><BR>Sent to CCL by: Arne Dieckmann [adieckma###googlemail.com]<BR>Hi Sue, <BR><BR>the two methods you are describing are exactly the same, as you are only changing the order in which different quantities are added. <BR><BR><BR>Cheers, <BR>Arne<BR><BR><BR>On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:08 PM, Sue L chsue2004^^yahoo.com wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> Sent to CCL by: "Sue L" [chsue2004]_[yahoo.com]<BR>> Dear CCL users,<BR>> <BR>> Could someone help me with the following question?<BR>> <BR>> If I want to calculate the solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies of the molecules based on the gas-phase optimized geometry usinf gaussian 03. Which of the following methods is more appropriate?<BR>> <BR>>> From the vibrational frequency calculation of the gas-phase optimized stru cture, I could obtain the thermal correction to Gibbs Free Energy<BR>> <BR>>> From the single-point PCM calculation, I could obtain the total free energy in solution: with all non electrostatic terms as well as solvent-phase electronic energies (The energy value associated with SCF(Done))<BR>> <BR>> (1) The solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies = the total free energy in solution + thermal correction to Gibbs Free Energy<BR>> <BR>> Or<BR>> <BR>> (2) The solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies = gas-phase Gibbs free energies + (solvent-phase electronic energies - gas-phase electronic energies)<BR>> <BR>> Thank you very much for your kind help.<BR>> <BR>> Best regards,<BR>> Sue> <BR>><BR><BR><BR><BR<BR<BR>the strange characters on the top line to the :: sign. 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