Dear Arne,
Thanks for your reply. Sorry for the confusion.
Below is an example from the Gaussian manual. For the output file in Gaussian
03, we could obtain
(1) Total free energy in solution: with all non electrostatic terms
(2) Solvent-phase electronic energies, which is the value associated with
SCF(Done)
I am not sure which value I should use if I include the thermal correction to
Gibbs free energy from the vibrational frequency calculation.
SCF Done: E(RHF) = -98.569083211 A.U. after 5 cycles
Convg = 0.4249D-05 -V/T = 2.0033
S**2 = 0.0000
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Variational PCM results
=======================
<psi(f)| H |psi(f)> (a.u.) = -98.568013
<psi(f)|H+V(f)/2|psi(f)> (a.u.) = -98.569083
Total free energy in solution:
with all non electrostatic terms (a.u.) = -98.573228
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(Polarized solute)-Solvent (kcal/mol) = -3.27
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Cavitation energy (kcal/mol) = 5.34
Dispersion energy (kcal/mol) = -3.08
Repulsion energy (kcal/mol) = 0.34
Total non electrostatic (kcal/mol) = 2.60
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Best regards,
Sue
--- On Mon, 10/31/11, Arne Dieckmann adieckma**googlemail.com
<owner-chemistry::ccl.net> wrote:
From: Arne Dieckmann adieckma**googlemail.com
<owner-chemistry::ccl.net>
Subject: CCL:G: Solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies
To: "L, Sue " <chsue2004::yahoo.com>
Date: Monday, October 31, 2011, 12:48 PM
Sent to CCL by: Arne Dieckmann [adieckma###googlemail.com]
Hi Sue,
the two methods you are describing are exactly the same, as you are only
changing the order in which different quantities are added.
Cheers,
Arne
On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:08 PM, Sue L chsue2004^^yahoo.com wrote:
Sent to CCL by: "Sue L" [chsue2004]_[yahoo.com]
Dear CCL users,
Could someone help me with the following question?
If I want to calculate the solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies of the
molecules based on the gas-phase optimized geometry usinf gaussian 03. Which of
the following methods is more appropriate?
From the vibrational frequency calculation of the
gas-phase optimized structure, I could obtain the thermal correction to Gibbs
Free Energy
From the single-point PCM calculation, I could obtain
the total free energy in solution: with all non electrostatic terms as well as
solvent-phase electronic energies (The energy value associated with SCF(Done))
(1) The solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies = the total free energy in
solution + thermal correction to Gibbs Free Energy
Or
(2) The solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies = gas-phase Gibbs free energies +
(solvent-phase electronic energies - gas-phase electronic energies)
Thank you very much for your kind help.
Best regards,
Sue--130478739-893504848-1320070366=:1570
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style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><FONT size=3><FONT
face=Calibri>(1) Total free energy in solution: with all non electrostatic
terms <SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
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is the value </SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY:
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<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><FONT size=3 face=Calibri>I am not
sure which value I should use if I include the
</FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">thermal correction to Gibbs free
energy</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"> from the
</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt">vibrational frequency
calculation</SPAN><SPAN style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY:
'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-language:
ZH-HK">.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">SCF Done:<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>E(RHF) =<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>-98.569083211</SPAN></B><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY:
'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>A.U. after<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>5
cycles <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>Convg<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>=<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>0.4249D-05<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>-V/T =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>2.0033 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>S**2<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>=<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">
</SPAN>0.0000 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'">Variational PCM
results<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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New Roman'">=======================
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'"><psi(f)|<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>H<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>|psi(f)><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>(a.u.) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>-98.568013
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'"><psi(f)|H+V(f)/2|psi(f)><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>(a.u.) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>-98.569083<B><o:p></o:p></B></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: #003399; FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Total free energy in solution:
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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595.4pt 641.2pt 687.0pt 732.8pt" class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: #003399; FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>with all non electrostatic terms<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>(a.u.) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>-98.573228</SPAN></B><B style="mso-bidi-font-weight:
normal"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE:
10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New
Roman'"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></B></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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New
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<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'">(Polarized solute)-Solvent<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>-3.27
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'">Cavitation energy<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>5.34 <o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'">Dispersion energy<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN><SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>(kcal/mol)
=<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN>-3.08
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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'Courier New'; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times
New Roman'">Repulsion energy<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>0.34
<B><o:p></o:p></B></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="LINE-HEIGHT: normal; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; tab-stops: 45.8pt 91.6pt
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'Courier New'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman';
mso-bidi-font-weight: bold">Total non electrostatic<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>(kcal/mol) =<SPAN style="mso-spacerun:
yes">
</SPAN>2.60 </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Courier New';
FONT-SIZE: 10pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><SPAN
style="mso-spacerun:
yes"> </SPAN><o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
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<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
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style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK">Best
regards,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="LINE-HEIGHT: 115%; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 10pt;
mso-fareast-language:
ZH-HK">Sue<o:p></o:p></SPAN></DIV>
<P style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 10pt" class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="mso-fareast-language: ZH-HK"><o:p><FONT size=3
face=Calibri> </FONT></o:p></SPAN></DIV><BR><BR>---
On <B>Mon, 10/31/11, Arne Dieckmann adieckma**googlemail.com
<I><owner-chemistry::ccl.net></I></B>
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Arne Dieckmann adieckma**googlemail.com
<owner-chemistry::ccl.net><BR>Subject: CCL:G:
Solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies<BR>To: "L, Sue "
<chsue2004::yahoo.com><BR>Date: Monday, October 31, 2011,
12:48 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail><BR>Sent to CCL by: Arne Dieckmann
[adieckma###googlemail.com]<BR>Hi Sue, <BR><BR>the two methods
you are describing are exactly the same, as you are only changing the order in
which different quantities are added. <BR><BR><BR>Cheers,
<BR>Arne<BR><BR><BR>On Oct 30, 2011, at 9:08 PM, Sue L
chsue2004^^yahoo.com wrote:<BR><BR>> <BR>> Sent
to CCL by: "Sue L" [chsue2004]_[yahoo.com]<BR>> Dear CCL
users,<BR>> <BR>> Could someone help me with the
following question?<BR>> <BR>> If I want to calculate
the solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies of the molecules based on the
gas-phase optimized geometry usinf gaussian 03. Which of the following methods
is more appropriate?<BR>> <BR>>> From the
vibrational frequency calculation of the gas-phase optimized stru
cture, I could obtain the thermal correction to Gibbs Free
Energy<BR>> <BR>>> From the single-point PCM
calculation, I could obtain the total free
energy in solution: with all non electrostatic terms as well as solvent-phase
electronic energies (The energy value associated with
SCF(Done))<BR>> <BR>> (1) The solvent-corrected Gibbs
free energies = the total free energy in solution + thermal correction to Gibbs
Free Energy<BR>> <BR>> Or<BR>>
<BR>> (2) The solvent-corrected Gibbs free energies = gas-phase
Gibbs free energies + (solvent-phase electronic energies - gas-phase
electronic energies)<BR>> <BR>> Thank you very much
for your kind help.<BR>> <BR>> Best
regards,<BR>> Sue>
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