From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Sun Feb 16 13:34:00 2014 From: "Yavuz Dede dede~~gazi.edu.tr" To: CCL Subject: CCL: [CCL] Re: CCL: ICQC shame Message-Id: <-49697-140216082751-7838-+pru4QUvyy939xBuOOOiAQ]|[server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Yavuz Dede Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070007070502050205040205" Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 15:27:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Yavuz Dede [dede : gazi.edu.tr] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070007070502050205040205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maybe we should append more names to Kadir's list to show that "Y-chromosome deficiency" does not prevent doing sound theoretical science. Anne McCoy Sharon Hammes-Schiffer Kristine Pierloot Heather A. Carlson Apologies to whom I could not quickly recall. ydd Prof. Emily Carter, Princeton University Prof. Laura Gagliardi, University of Minnesota Prof. Anna Krylov, University of Southern California -- ||||||||||||||||||||||| Yavuz Dede GÜ-Fen Fakültesi Kimya Bölümü L-128 06500 Ankara Tel: 312-202-1386 Faks: 312-212-2279 |||||||||||||||||||| Yavuz Dede, Ph.D. Theoretical/Computational Chemistry Gazi University Faculty of Science Department of Chemistry 06500 Ankara TURKEY http://w3.gazi.edu.tr/~dede/ydd.htm |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||| On 16.02.2014 07:24, Joseph E Maxwell jaymax36..gmail.com wrote: > > Sent to CCL by: Joseph E Maxwell [jaymax36%a%gmail.com] > Re: zborowsk <=> Therein lies part of the problem. Perhaps CCL should > dedicate a part of their platform to related social issues such as > these. Theoretical Chemistry does not exist in a vacuum. Social issues > do impact it, do not tell me that the contribution of women, blacks or > other minorities (or from your vantage position that may even include > Roma peoples too) should be ignored - for that matter, you are also > saying that their labor could be appropriated. > > Is Theoretical Chemistry to be the preserve of a small unique privileged > group. > > And BTW, for Krzysztof K. Zborowski the issue here is not "sex" but > "gender" inequality as a representational issue. > > Granted that the space should be dedicated to Theoretical Chemistry, but > had this original commentary, which is of importance to the community > gone > without your further opposing commentary, this would not be continuing. > > Thanks! > > > On 2/15/2014 5:12 PM, zborowsk zborowsk-*-chemia.uj.edu.pl wrote: >> >> Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]![chemia.uj.edu.pl] >> Well, >> could we talk about theoretical chemistry, not about sex....?? >> Please >> >> >> >> W dniu 2014-02-16 01:10, Salter-Duke, Brian James >> brian.james.duke|a|gmail.com napisał(a): >>> Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke, Brian James " >>> [brian.james.duke---gmail.com] >>> I fully agree that this is not acceptable. I trust that the three >>> poeple >>> sponsoring this, particularly Prof. Emily Carter, who is a member of >>> the >>> Academy, have made their views known to the Academy directly. Major >>> international conferences should make sure there is a reasonable >>> balance >>> between men and women as well as from all countries in the world when >>> selecting speakers. >>> >>> Brian Duke >>> >>> On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 02:57:48PM -0800, Kadir Diri >>> dirikadir[a]gmail.com wrote: >>>> >>>> Sent to CCL by: Kadir Diri [dirikadir ~ gmail.com] >>>> Dear Colleagues, >>>> >>>> I am posting this message on behalf of professor Anna Krylov -one of >>>> the many outstanding women in theoretical chemistry- regarding the >>>> choice of speakers for the upcoming ICQC conference. >>>> >>>> I would always like to think of us, scientists, as some of the >>>> leading figures in the fight for gender equality. I wish the choice >>>> of speakers for this conference was just a statistical abnormality. >>>> Even that would be unacceptable... >>>> >>>> Professor Krylov's message follows below. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> Kadir >>>> ---http://www.ccl.net/chemistry/sub_unsub.shtmlConferences: > http://server.ccl.net/chemistry/announcements/conferences/> > > --------------070007070502050205040205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Maybe we should append more names to Kadir's list to show that "Y-chromosome deficiency" does not prevent doing sound theoretical science.

Anne McCoy
Sharon Hammes-Schiffer
Kristine Pierloot
Heather A. Carlson

Apologies to whom I could not quickly recall.

ydd


Prof. Emily Carter, Princeton University
Prof. Laura Gagliardi, University of Minnesota
Prof. Anna Krylov, University of Southern California

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On 16.02.2014 07:24, Joseph E Maxwell jaymax36..gmail.com wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Joseph E Maxwell [jaymax36%a%gmail.com]
Re: zborowsk <=> Therein lies part of the problem. Perhaps CCL should
dedicate a part of their platform to related social issues such as
these. Theoretical Chemistry does not exist in a vacuum. Social issues
do impact it, do not tell me that the contribution of women, blacks or
other minorities (or from your vantage position that may even include
Roma peoples too) should be ignored - for that matter, you are also
saying that their labor could be appropriated.

Is Theoretical Chemistry to be the preserve of a small unique privileged
group.

And BTW, for  Krzysztof K. Zborowski the issue here is not "sex" but
"gender" inequality as a representational issue.

Granted that the space should be dedicated to Theoretical Chemistry, but
had this original commentary, which is of importance to the community gone
without your further opposing commentary, this would not be continuing.

Thanks!


On 2/15/2014 5:12 PM, zborowsk zborowsk-*-chemia.uj.edu.pl wrote:

Sent to CCL by: zborowsk [zborowsk]![chemia.uj.edu.pl]
Well,
could we talk about theoretical chemistry, not about sex....??
Please



W dniu 2014-02-16 01:10, Salter-Duke, Brian James brian.james.duke|a|gmail.com napisał(a):
Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke, Brian James "
[brian.james.duke---gmail.com]
I fully agree that this is not acceptable. I trust that the three poeple
sponsoring this, particularly Prof. Emily Carter, who is a member of the
Academy, have made their views known to the Academy directly. Major
international conferences should make sure there is a reasonable balance
between men and women as well as from all countries in the world when
selecting speakers.

Brian Duke

On Sat, Feb 15, 2014 at 02:57:48PM -0800, Kadir Diri
dirikadir[a]gmail.com wrote:

Sent to CCL by: Kadir Diri [dirikadir ~ gmail.com]
Dear Colleagues,

I am posting this message on behalf of professor Anna Krylov -one of
the many outstanding women in theoretical chemistry- regarding the
choice of speakers for the upcoming ICQC conference.

I would always like to think of us, scientists, as some of the
leading figures in the fight for gender equality. I wish the choice
of speakers for this conference was just a statistical abnormality.
Even that would be unacceptable...

Professor Krylov's message follows below.

Best regards,
Kadir
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