From owner-chemistry@ccl.net Mon Feb 17 10:48:01 2014 From: "Sergio Manzetti sergio.manzetti]_[outlook.com" To: CCL Subject: CCL: ICQC shame Message-Id: <-49729-140217084054-23711-KOZphV+gx46EpUdn6GzSpg ~~ server.ccl.net> X-Original-From: Sergio Manzetti Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_88c242fa-023d-4292-a262-0592e43aeffc_" Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 14:40:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Sent to CCL by: Sergio Manzetti [sergio.manzetti^outlook.com] --_88c242fa-023d-4292-a262-0592e43aeffc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cuffe=2C I am not sure it is so appropriate as you nicely put it. There has= already been use of terms such as "Y-chromosome causes" and so on. This sh= ows that the debate is already heading for an hysteric end=2C and that it w= as not a good idea to post that here on CCL.=20 Sergio > From: owner-chemistry|a|ccl.net To: sergio.manzetti|a|gmx.com Subject: CCL: ICQC shame Date: Mon=2C 17 Feb 2014 12:22:04 +0000 Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke=2C Brian James " [brian.james.duke=3Dgmail.co= m] I am more of an optimist. The petition that the original poster drew our attention to now has nearly 400 signatures with an apparent target of 500. The page reports that the conference organisers have taken down the list of speakers. Perhaps the international academy has had something to say to the committee that is organising the conference on its behalf. The academy has had several women members and has mostly had one women officer out of 5=2C with two in one term. The 2002 Congress in Bonn was presided over by a woman.=20 =20 I have not been to one of these Congresses since that one in 2002=2C but I have been to two WATOCs. The number of women attendees has been quite high and increasing over the years. What message does it send to them if even the session chairs are all male as well as the main speakers? =20 This situation has to change and it looks as if it might. I also draw your attention to this from Chris Cramer:- =20 http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/CompChemGenderEquity_140216.html =20 Thanks=2C Chris. I think this is good news=2C and that discussing the issue here is an appr= opriate use of the forum. In my teaching at this point I find myself having= to dismantle a lot of learners inbuilt assumptions about what they can and= cannot do. Sadly in fields where one gender dominates for cultural or hist= orical reasons=2C this can be a tough sell. Changing this landscape will be= to all our benefits.All the bestLaurence Cuffe = --_88c242fa-023d-4292-a262-0592e43aeffc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Cu= ffe=2C I am not sure it is so appropriate as you nicely put it. There has a= lready been use of terms such as "Y-chromosome causes" and so on. This show= s that the debate is already heading for an hysteric end=2C and that it was= not a good idea to post that here on CCL.

Sergio

From: owner-chemistry|a|ccl.net
To: sergio.manzetti|a|= gmx.com
Subject: CCL: ICQC shame
Date: Mon=2C 17 Feb 2014 12:22:04 +0= 000

Sent to CCL by: "Salter-Duke=2C Brian J= ames " [brian.james.duke=3Dgmail.com]
I am more of an optimist. The pet= ition that the original poster drew our
attention to now has nearly 400= signatures with an apparent target of
500. The page reports that the c= onference organisers have taken down the
list of speakers. Perhaps the = international academy has had something to
say to the committee that is= organising the conference on its behalf.
The academy has had several w= omen members and has mostly had one women
officer out of 5=2C with two = in one term. The 2002 Congress in Bonn was
presided over by a woman.
I have not been to one of these Congresses since that one in 2002= =2C but I
have been to two WATOCs. The number of women attendees has be= en quite
high and increasing over the years. What message does it send = to them if
even the session chairs are all male as well as the main spe= akers?

This situation has to change and it looks as if it might. I= also draw
your attention to this from Chris Cramer:-

http://pollux.chem.umn.edu/CompChemGenderEquity_140216.html=

Thanks=2C Chris.

=3B

I think this is good news=2C and that =3Bdiscussing&n= bsp=3Bthe issue here is an appropriate use of the forum. In my teaching at = this point I find myself having to dismantle a lot of learners inbuilt assu= mptions about what they can and cannot do. Sadly in fields where one gender= dominates for cultural or historical reasons=2C this can be a tough sell. = Changing this landscape will be to all our =3Bbenefits.

All the best

Laurence Cuffe

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